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[The Teyrn of Whatever]

This is all incredibly unrelated to DA3, I must say...

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 28 mars 2013 - 11:58 .

[Batarang2o12]

i know sorry about that but can you help me

[brushyourteeth]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

This is all incredibly unrelated to DA3, I must say...

Nope. You really can't, as we don't actually know what will or won't be involved in DAIII. The comics are the closest thing to new DA information that we have, and as they don't have their own discussion forum, that means it belongs here.

But thanks for reading, even if you didn't have anything constructive to say.


@ Batarang, I can't help you. I'd try private messenging someone who looks like they have a custom avatar pic.

[KingsTiger]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Filament wrote...

Are they explicitly called reavers or is that an inference from them having "dragon blood"? I would think there is a difference between being a progeny of dragons ("having dragon blood"), and drinking the blood of a dragon.

In the comics, the dragon-blood information comes from Sten/the new Arishok, who says that Calenhad struck a deal with a powerful witch who taught him to drink the blood of a powerful high dragon, which changed him. Where Sten got that info from (and how reliabe it is) is anyone's guess at this point. But certainly less icky (in my opinion, anyway) than the thought of someone having actually mated with a dragon at one point.
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Now here's a thought... a talent learned from a mysterious witch? Theoretical "mating" with a Dragon?
Could Alistair be related to Flemeth?

[JCAP]

brushyourteeth wrote...

JCAP wrote...

I agree that he is something special, but I'm not understanding your way of thoughts. Why that makes him dangerous?

He can simply take the calling and die (most likely case), or for some reason the dragon blood protects Alistair from the degeneration, but that's probably not going to happen.


Until the writters decide what dragon blood necessarily means, this discussion is rather pointless.

Sure. Let me explain again.

A Grey Warden who isn't killed before the taint begins to truly change them will sort of become a darkspawn. I started this topic because, since Alistar's blood is supposedly not just human but also dragon blood, I was curious about the possibility of him becoming something even more frightening than... whatever a darkspawned Grey Warden is (they're not just ghouls, because ghouls are mindless. They sort of become intelligent darkspawn and eventually will become thralls of the Old Gods).

Duncan, for instance, mentions to Alistair that it's time for him to take his Calling. What that essentially meant was that he could feel himself beginning to decay into something that would eventually be more darkspawn than man.

We will need more context before trying to especulate what Alistair can become.

The only information we have about Dragon Blood is that it is powerful. But how much power does this have? What kind of power? Does Alistair have special abilities because of it? Does this blood interfere with the Darkspawn blood (another powerfull type of blood)? 

We don't even know the answer to the basic questions, that's the problem. 

We need that mister Gaider or someone else comes along and say's "Dragon blood is this and makes this and this". Without those contexts, we could make a trillion possibilities and miss miles away from story that Gaider has in mind.

Modifié par JCAP, 29 mars 2013 - 12:09 .

[Maria Caliban]

That's an interesting idea. Possibly the only thing they could do with Alistair to make me interested in seeing him again.

sandalisthemaker wrote...

So what you're saying is... Alistair is the Dovahkiin of the DA universe?

Dragon + Darkspawn taint = Archdemon

Dragon blooded human + Darkspawn taint = Something bad.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

brushyourteeth wrote...

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

This is all incredibly unrelated to DA3, I must say...

Nope. You really can't, as we don't actually know what will or won't be involved in DAIII. The comics are the closest thing to new DA information that we have, and as they don't have their own discussion forum, that means it belongs here.

But thanks for reading, even if you didn't have anything constructive to say.


@ Batarang, I can't help you. I'd try private messenging someone who looks like they have a custom avatar pic.

It might not hurt to actually try and tie your post in with DA3 in some way. Otherwise just post it on the DA:O forum or in the Off-Topic section. Lately there are two things that annoy me a lot on BSN. Off-topic stuff in DA3 forum and the same topics coming up again and again on an almost daily basis (e.g. "Which generation of consoles will Inquisition be for?").

[brushyourteeth]

Maria Caliban wrote...

That's an interesting idea. Possibly the only thing they could do with Alistair to make me interested in seeing him again.

sandalisthemaker wrote...

So what you're saying is... Alistair is the Dovahkiin of the DA universe?

Dragon + Darkspawn taint = Archdemon

Dragon blooded human + Darkspawn taint = Something bad.

MC's got it! (thank you!)


@ JCAP
I think... if we waited for Mr. Gaider to explain everything about DA to us explicitly, there would be little use of having a DA social forum in the first place. It would just be a place for complaints. The speculation is fun and harmless. If it's not your thing, I certainly don't want you to feel forced to participate in the discussion. But unless you have something else to add besides "we don't know" (which was established by my original post) please don't ruin the fun for the rest of us.

[JCAP]

@ brushyourteeth
Don't get me wrong, I like to participate in this discussions, it's just I think we need a solid basis to start, for example, is Thedas a Pangaea, or are there others continents? We simply don't know and the only thing we can do is guess.
And I gave 2 speculations:

He can simply take the calling and die (most likely case), or for some reason the dragon blood protects Alistair from the degeneration, but that's probably not going to happen.

And now I have another question: The archdemons are tainted dragons or are they really tainted gods? If they are tainted dragons, so ya, something bad can happen with alistair...

[brushyourteeth]

JCAP wrote...

@ brushyourteeth
Don't get me wrong, I like to participate in this discussions, it's just I think we need a solid basis to start, for example, is Thedas a Pangaea, or are there others continents? We simply don't know and the only thing we can do is guess.
And I gave 2 speculations:

He can simply take the calling and die (most likely case), or for some reason the dragon blood protects Alistair from the degeneration, but that's probably not going to happen.

And now I have another question: The archdemons are tainted dragons or are they really tainted gods? If they are tainted dragons, so ya, something bad can happen with alistair...

DG has said that there are other continents besides Thedas (though don't ask me where - but the qunari came from across the sea).

Most people seem to agree that the Old Gods are a special kind of High Dragon with a god-soul inside that for whatever reason are trapped underground. When the darkspawn find them and expose them to the taint, they become Archdemons.

So, supposedly any normal dragon wouldn't make an Archdemon. There are a set number of those.

Though, a High Dragon that became tainted would be bad, too.

Alistair could be something new, which could also be bad. Or it could be preventable. Or it could be nothing!

[JCAP]

brushyourteeth wrote...

JCAP wrote...

@ brushyourteeth
Don't get me wrong, I like to participate in this discussions, it's just I think we need a solid basis to start, for example, is Thedas a Pangaea, or are there others continents? We simply don't know and the only thing we can do is guess.
And I gave 2 speculations:

He can simply take the calling and die (most likely case), or for some reason the dragon blood protects Alistair from the degeneration, but that's probably not going to happen.

And now I have another question: The archdemons are tainted dragons or are they really tainted gods? If they are tainted dragons, so ya, something bad can happen with alistair...

DG has said that there are other continents besides Thedas (though don't ask me where - but the qunari came from across the sea).

Most people seem to agree that the Old Gods are a special kind of High Dragon with a god-soul inside that for whatever reason are trapped underground. When the darkspawn find them and expose them to the taint, they become Archdemons.

So, supposedly any normal dragon wouldn't make an Archdemon. There are a set number of those.

Though, a High Dragon that became tainted would be bad, too.

Alistair could be something new, which could also be bad. Or it could be preventable. Or it could be nothing!

It could be interesting, one of the favorite BSN characters turns into a villain, leading the darkspawn!

But angry fans would invade the forums, and that would be bad... (Sometimes I think people think that they own bioware games)

But unless they make a cannon story, this won't happen because there are people that let him be executed. And a story like that needs it's on title.

[meanieweenie]

Maria Caliban wrote...

That's an interesting idea. Possibly the only thing they could do with Alistair to make me interested in seeing him again.

sandalisthemaker wrote...

So what you're saying is... Alistair is the Dovahkiin of the DA universe?

Dragon + Darkspawn taint = Archdemon

Dragon blooded human + Darkspawn taint = Something bad.

I'm  in agreement... something bad. Something really really bad.

[TJPags]

So, Alistair is an Archdemon?

Even more reason to kill him

[R2s Muse]

JCAP wrote...

It could be interesting, one of the favorite BSN characters turns into a villain, leading the darkspawn!

I think this would be fascinating, particularly for a happy-go-lucky and beloved character like Alistair.  He turns into some superpowerful Archdemon-inside intelligent darkspawn, who can only be thwarted by the OGB! It's a battle to the death, and the prize is... Thedas! Dun dun dun...

Another possibility could go the opposite direction, what if the super-special Calenhad dragon blood makes Alistair somehow immune to the degenerative effects of the taint, so he stays Grey Warden-y til the end of his days with a Aragorn-like lifespan. It could be the Deux Ex Machina we've needed to "save" him from an early demise. LOL

[brushyourteeth]

R2s Muse wrote...

JCAP wrote...

It could be interesting, one of the favorite BSN characters turns into a villain, leading the darkspawn!

I think this would be fascinating, particularly for a happy-go-lucky and beloved character like Alistair.  He turns into some superpowerful Archdemon-inside intelligent darkspawn, who can only be thwarted by the OGB! It's a battle to the death, and the prize is... Thedas! Dun dun dun...

Another possibility could go the opposite direction, what if the super-special Calenhad dragon blood makes Alistair somehow immune to the degenerative effects of the taint, so he stays Grey Warden-y til the end of his days with a Aragorn-like lifespan. It could be the Deux Ex Machina we've needed to "save" him from an early demise. LOL

If the dragon blood did somehow overcome or nullify the negative effects of the Taint, that could mean some Alistair babies, right?


Seriously, though, I think Alistair's status as super beloved would make him a target for tragedy rather than giving him fan armor. The sweet, sweet fan tears!

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

JCAP wrote...

It could be interesting, one of the favorite BSN characters turns into a villain, leading the darkspawn!

I think this would be fascinating, particularly for a happy-go-lucky and beloved character like Alistair.  He turns into some superpowerful Archdemon-inside intelligent darkspawn, who can only be thwarted by the OGB! It's a battle to the death, and the prize is... Thedas! Dun dun dun...

Another possibility could go the opposite direction, what if the super-special Calenhad dragon blood makes Alistair somehow immune to the degenerative effects of the taint, so he stays Grey Warden-y til the end of his days with a Aragorn-like lifespan. It could be the Deux Ex Machina we've needed to "save" him from an early demise. LOL

If the dragon blood did somehow overcome or nullify the negative effects of the Taint, that could mean some Alistair babies, right?


Seriously, though, I think Alistair's status as super beloved would make him a target for tragedy rather than giving him fan armor. The sweet, sweet fan tears!

Well, to be honest, I would hope Alistair's status as super beloved by the fans wouldn't necessarily mean anything for the story. I think it would be interesting, as a fan, to see such a character turned on its head and become eeeviill. I also think it would be nice for him to have a happy ending, especially since I sorta feel like his story should start to sunset at this point. But, I don't think him having fans should mean he's destined for disaster, nor that he should be saved.

[Allan Schumacher]

I totally embrace fan tears.

Any thoughts on an alternative in case Alistair is dead in someone's game? Or do you think it can be contained enough to be its own side plot and not deny someone too much content?

[brushyourteeth]

R2s Muse wrote...

Well, to be honest, I would hope Alistair's status as super beloved by the fans wouldn't necessarily mean anything for the story. I think it would be interesting, as a fan, to see such a character turned on its head and become eeeviill. I also think it would be nice for him to have a happy ending, especially since I sorta feel like his story should start to sunset at this point. But, I don't think him having fans should mean he's destined for disaster, nor that he should be saved.

I think we'd all be a little naive to hope that any Grey Warden is really going to have a happy ending. Triumphant or proud or honorable is about the best you can hope for. He's not going to be magically cured of the taint -- that happened to a character in the books and I don't see Mr. Gaider repeating it (though, what do I know, really?).

But even though an ending like this would kill me, as a big Alistair fan, the eeeeeeevillll wouldn't actually be Alistair. Not really. So that would be ok.

[R2s Muse]

LOL Fine,brush, he's eeeevvvvillll, like the fru - its of the Dev - il! I'll just speculate on evil options then...

[R2s Muse]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I totally embrace fan tears.

Any thoughts on an alternative in case Alistair is dead in someone's game? Or do you think it can be contained enough to be its own side plot and not deny someone too much content?

Depends probably on whether it has world-shaking implications. If it wasn't somehow a required world event, then I'd be fine with skipping it if my import had killed Alistair.

[brushyourteeth]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I totally embrace fan tears.

Any thoughts on an alternative in case Alistair is dead in someone's game? Or do you think it can be contained enough to be its own side plot and not deny someone too much content?

I suppose there are a few, though they're far-fetched and wouldn't make everyone happy.

1.) The guards take Alistair away and we never see him executed. Perhaps he escaped or Anora had a change of heart and let him slip away into the night. It was never our decision to execute him, after all, but Anora's -- so fans shouldn't (but will. but shouldn't) be mad about that situation turning out differently than they expected.

2.) Dragon blood = protection from death-by-Archdemon-slaying? Okay. It's a longshot, but I'm trying here.

3.) OGB fathered by Alistair has a similar situation, especially if tainted.

4.) There's another Theirin heir that takes this role in the games, similar to the way Wreave could replace Wrex in ME2 and 3.


That's all I've got. And it's lame and I know it. But they don't pay me the big bucks to figure this stuff out, so there you go.


**EDIT**

Here's a slightly less lame idea: another dragon reaver is exposed to the taint. Original character that turns into an enemy. Extra heart-wrenching if it's Alistair, still freaking scary if it's not.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 29 mars 2013 - 02:07 .

[BlueMagitek]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I totally embrace fan tears.

Any thoughts on an alternative in case Alistair is dead in someone's game? Or do you think it can be contained enough to be its own side plot and not deny someone too much content?

Depends on the situation.

I don't see an escape from Archdemon Death, especially since the remains are supposed to be taken to a grand tomb. 

But, I suppose Anora could have just let Ali chill out in the dungeon and then let him go rescue Uncle Maric?

If Loghain is alive and Maric shows up, I would be very interested in the conversation.  :happy:

[Angrywolves]

I always kill Logain. Just because Maric in alive or books or comics doesn't mean he'll be alive in the video games. Alistair did die in the final battle when my male Cousland married Anora. How that would affect DA3 it's too soon to tell.

[Boost32]

alistair is dead in my games, dont want that ridiculosu baboon back EVER

[gw2005]

Twisted Path wrote...

He's dead (in some people's playthroughs,) so uh...

Boost32 wrote...

alistair is dead in my games, dont want that ridiculosu baboon back EVER

If he's important enough, death of a character is no more than a tiny obstacle for the writers to overcome.

Modifié par gw2005, 29 mars 2013 - 02:44 .