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[Eveangaline]

thats1evildude wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I haven't read the comics. I'm curious how the dragon blood got in his family.

King Calenhad — he who united the warring tribes of Ferelden — was apparently a reaver. He got his powers from drinking the blood of a high dragon.

Way to ruin my steamy Calenhad/dragon fanfiction.

[TheKristoffski]

I would have thought that alistair is immune to the taint itself seeing as Fiona's corruption was reversed whilst having conceived alistair -- or even maybe his blood does reverse the taint making the speed up corruption go back to normal in Fiona :/

[Augustei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I know it's in the headline, but seriously -- there are spoilers from the books and movies in here. Don't be mad when you hear them from me.

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Okay: Alistair. He's a Grey Warden and a Theirin, and as we recently found out, the be Theirin is to share the blood of dragons (whatever that means. The information we have at this point is pretty dubious).

Now, we all know what happens to a Grey Warden when they join the order. They drink the blood of darkspawn, magically prepared, so that they can take on the taint. From that moment on, they begin decaying into one of them. And as the books tell us (and as we see in the case of Larius in Legacy) once a Warden receives their Calling (in which the voice of the Archdemon attracts them the way it would any darkspawn) they effectively start losing their humanity and becoming an intelligent darkspawn-like creature. That's why most Wardens choose to enter the privacy of the Deep Roads and kill as many darkspawn as they can before they themselves are killed. But some live and continue to change.

Okay, bear with me. Alistair also has the blood of dragons.

We all know what an Archdemon is, right? Most agree that it's a High Dragon that holds the soul of an Old God and becomes corrupted when the darkspawn encounter it.

There is power in blood, as we're reminded so many times throughout the DA series.

If Alistair has both dragon blood (which is obviously rather special) and darkspawn blood, does this make him something new? Could Alistair pose some kind of new threat if he's allowed to begin degenerating into darkspawn status?

Now, bear in mind: I'm a habitual Alistair-mancer, and this is really  for me. But I know my Warden would cut Alistair down rather than see him become a monster that poses a new threat to Thedas. And Alistair would want her to.



Too Long / Didn't Read: Alistair has the darkspawn taint and also supposedly shares the blood of dragons. In the world of Thedas, could this be a recipe for a new kind of post-Calling danger to Thedas?

Thanks for reading. I know it's far-fetched, but all thoughts are welcome!

** Edit. This topic was posted in the DA3 forum, even though Alistair was primarily a DA:O companion, because that ship has sailed and we won't see the conclusion of his story in any previous DA games. It would have to play out in DA3 or later, and at this point is simply speculation meant for fun. If you don't like fun or speculation, this is not the topic for you. Thanks!

New Danger? Not really.. Theres been numerous Grey Wardens in the past that drank Archdemon blood in their joining meaning they have both Darkspawn and Dragon blood. So its nothing new at all nothing special should happen and if it does it wouldn't make sense that we havn't heard of said event happening before

[Angrywolves]

A lot of us don't read the books and comics.
We don't know how the events in those will tie in to dai, so bringing them up here might be of questionable value.

[brushyourteeth]

KristoffMcguffinSmuck wrote...

I would have thought that alistair is immune to the taint itself seeing as Fiona's corruption was reversed whilst having conceived alistair -- or even maybe his blood does reverse the taint making the speed up corruption go back to normal in Fiona :/

that's a cool theory, though I don't think it works based on the *Alistair dies* DA:O ending. If he kills the Archdemon and survives, he was obviously never a Warden. But as it is, he doesn't make it (which lead to many little-girl tears in my first playthrough, let me tell you.)

XxDeonxX wrote...

New Danger? Not really.. Theres been numerous Grey Wardens in the past that drank Archdemon blood in their joining meaning they have both Darkspawn and Dragon blood. So its nothing new at all nothing special should happen and if it does it wouldn't make sense that we havn't heard of said event happening before

David Gaider seems to think it's unique and significant.  What that still means I couldn't tell you, but speculation is fun.

Angrywolves wrote...

A lot of us don't read the books and comics.
We don't know how the events in those will tie in to dai, so bringing them up here might be of questionable value.

I did my best to catch anyone up on the parts relevant to my topic (and warned about spoilers). If you're not interested or didn't want to know, I do apologize -- however, reading every topic is optional. I usually skip or don't post on the ones that don't interest me.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 01 août 2013 - 11:41 .

[ladyiolanthe]

I've also entertained the idea that Maric's dragon blood is what cured Fiona of her taint while she was pregnant with Alistair. My curiosity is especially piqued by the fact that, while she does tell Maric what the Weisshaupt mages thought about how she might have been cured, she also seems to have her own ideas about it, but doesn't elaborate on those.

Supposing it is the DA writing team's intent that the Theirin bloodline neutralizes darkspawn taint, I am stuck wondering how Alistair became a Grey Warden in the first place. I suppose it's possible that it only works over time, and since he's still a relatively newly-minted Grey Warden, his Theirin blood hasn't eliminated the taint completely yet during the events of DA:O.

I really kind of hope that we'll find out, somehow, what Fiona thought could be the other explanation for her miraculous cure. If not in DA:I (could be a DLC quest so people don't have to buy/play it if they don't want to), then hopefully in some other BioWare-licensed medium, sometime in the near future. I won't even be disappointed if it has nothing to do with Theirin genetics. I really have made peace with the idea that Alistair probably won't be making any babies in-game unless he did the DR. I just am really curious what Fiona's fateful "or..." might have led to.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 02 août 2013 - 01:48 .

[Versus Omnibus]

Here's a fun question to throw into the mix: if Alistair does have dragon blood, and that blood gives him special powers or something, how would that blood affect the Old God Baby if Alistair is the father?

My Mage Warden was Alistair's romance and she managed to convince him to impregnate Morrigan. So what? Does the Old God Baby become more powerful or something?

[ladyiolanthe]

I'm actually not certain that Alistair's dragon blood would mean anything for his OGB, simply because, as far as we know, the Old Gods were simply an incredibly powerful form of dragon. So... the baby has an incredibly powerful draconic soul, and also some less powerful dragon's blood? It might not make any difference.

The powers we know that the Theirin dragon blood has (from the comics) are:
- to awaken ancient high dragons who went into a state of suspended animation centuries ago.
- to power an ancient Tevinter artifact which greatly magnifies a mage's ability to manipulate the Fade and theoretically, to manipulate people (while they dream).

All of the factors influencing Alistair (dragon blood, darkspawn taint, elf blood, mage blood, being a very rarely occurring child of a Grey Warden,Templar powers even when he's been off lyrium for years, and last but not least, his and his family's recurring involvement with Witches of the Wild who definitely seem to be pulling a LOT of strings behind the scenes) are just too confusing to make a lot of sense out of with the information we have on hand, really. I'm really curious how David Gaider and the other DA writers are going to sort it all out in the end, or if they even will.

Hmm... maybe the dragon's blood is exactly how Alistair can still tap his Templar powers even though he's off lyrium? That might actually make sense. I think dragons in DA might be rather intrinsically linked to magic, similar to dragons in ASOIAF (this would explain why the Witches and Tevinters are so fond of dragons). If that is the case, it might give the OGB more mana to draw on for his own magical abilities? But who's to say he wouldn't have unlimited mana to begin with, due to his Old God soul. Argh... so many questions.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 03 août 2013 - 02:48 .

[vehzeel]

If Alistair is dead, his sister Goldanna is still around, AFAIK. I guess it is up to debate whether she shares the dragon blood or not. Where does it say Alistair has dragon blood, btw?

[ladyiolanthe]

Vehzeel, the Theirin dragon blood comes up in the Dark Horse comics about King Alistair. Which means it may not ever come into play for people who don't have a living Alistair in their saves. But for those of us who do, it's possible that it may eventually crop up in a future DA game (Alistair has a lot of fans).

Goldanna wouldn't have dragon blood since Maric isn't her father.

However (and I think someone may have pointed this out elsewhere in this thread or forum), if Alistair didn't survive your playthrough, then Maric might still be kicking around. He went missing at sea and is presumed dead in DA:O, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is dead.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 03 août 2013 - 03:38 .

[vehzeel]

Ok, thanks!

Is it stated or implied that dragon blood is something else than darkspawn blood?

[Gervaise]

I always thought Calenhad's rather obscure origins and rapid rise to prominence hinted at something more than just an able general. I must admit that it makes it rather odd that Flemeth didn't take more of an interest in Alistair, although I suppose it might explain why she went to the trouble to rescue him as well as the Warden. Presumably the events in the comics link into Inquisition since we are told that the dragons have returned to the skies on mass.

Is it just me or do other people wish that the events in the comics had formed a game, possibly an expansion to DA2? I wondering if that is what was originally intended and then shelved, hence the comics. It is simply that the events of the comics seem to take you all the places I wanted to visit in game. They go to Antiva, Tevinter and then Seheron and I'm sure it wasn't beyond the bounds of possibility to work the plot into most people's games, even one where Alistair dies.

[ladyiolanthe]

vehzeel wrote...

Ok, thanks!

Is it stated or implied that dragon blood is something else than darkspawn blood?

N/P.   

It's pretty clear that the dragon's blood is something different from darkspawn blood. We do not know for sure how it got into Calenhad's line, unless you are willing to believe a Qunari legend about Calenhad drinking the blood of a dying High Dragon under the guidance of a Witch (but the Qunari were so far away from Ferelden that I have to question whether this story is true). What we do know for sure is that it can be used in the following ways (as mentioned in a post above):

- to wake ancient 'Great' Dragons that went into a state of suspended animation centuries ago.
- to power an ancient Tevinter artifact which greatly enhances the ability of a mage to shape the Fade, and (it's implied), manipulate the minds of people while they are dreaming.

Also, Yavana (a Witch of the Wilds) mentions that the blood of dragons is the blood of the world.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 04 août 2013 - 04:55 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I recently read the world of thedas book and it says Alistair was born in 9:10 while Maric went into the deep roads with Fiona and the rest of the Wardens in 9:14 so Alistair might not be Fiona's son.

[ladyiolanthe]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I recently read the world of thedas book and it says Alistair was born in 9:10 while Maric went into the deep roads with Fiona and the rest of the Wardens in 9:14 so Alistair might not be Fiona's son.

You haven't seen the errata, then... here you go!  http://blog.bioware....me-1-an-errata/

I think that makes it pretty clear that Alistair is, in all likelihood, Fiona's child.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 04 août 2013 - 04:57 .

[EvilChani]

PlasmaCheese wrote...

Don't know if anyone mentioned this but....The woman who may possibly be Alistair's mom was tainted when she was pregnant with him (The Calling). In fact, it was as if the pregnancy purged the taint from her.. I believe Alistair has a resistance to it and he won't have a Calling, honestly. So him turning into some crazy ghoul seems like a plausible route, lol...

I believe this could be the case, and the whole "dragon blood" thing makes Morrigan's god-souled child (if it was with Alistair) even more interesting, or if femWarden/Alistair managed to have a child...or both...

As for making Alistair reappear after death, that isn't too hard. If he's that bloody important (and I like the idea that he is), then Flemeth (who can see all sorts of crap) could've taken a part of him and put it away just like she did with herself. And BAM! Alistair returns and has a cool new look or something. Of course, I only sacrificed him once to get the stupid achievement and see the ending. Other than that, I beheaded Loghain's sorry ass and conned Alistair into marrying the Warden.   I always wanted the opportunity to execute Annoura....

[TheButterflyEffect]

He acted like a child, no way to behave - so the axe sent the young fool to his grave.

Chop chop.

I just want that kid to stay out of my game. Don't bring him back from the dead please, I don't need a zombie Alidar skunking around.

[EmperorSahlertz]

KristoffMcguffinSmuck wrote...

I would have thought that alistair is immune to the taint itself seeing as Fiona's corruption was reversed whilst having conceived alistair -- or even maybe his blood does reverse the taint making the speed up corruption go back to normal in Fiona :/

When was it confirmed that Fiona is Alistair's mother?... Didn't we actually get a timeline, showing that Alistair was born before Fiona even met Maric?

[Maconbar]

This thread reminded me about Maric alone time with Flemeth. A dragon and one with Dagon blood. Anymore information on that fron that I may have missed?

[duckley]

I loved Alistair's character and the growth and transformation he underwent in DAO. I appreciated that even though he had it tough growing up he seemed to display a blend of honor, empathy, self-effacing humor. He was clearly well read and well educated, knew his strengths and weakness. He tended to be a lead from behind kind of guy, which I thought was interesting, andI thought he would make an excellent King. Under his rule I think the elves lot in life would have improved, the circle would have been more autonomous, and not being a big fan of the Chantry, he would have at least tried to keep the Chantry influence in check,
I would be surprized if he suddenly became some sort of big bad guy.
For those of you who killed him off did he appear in your DA2?

Although I loved his character and his wit and charm, I would not expect to see him in DAI. if there is a total world mayhem, then I would think if he is King in your previous games, reference to him will be made

[ladyiolanthe]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

KristoffMcguffinSmuck wrote...

I would have thought that alistair is immune to the taint itself seeing as Fiona's corruption was reversed whilst having conceived alistair -- or even maybe his blood does reverse the taint making the speed up corruption go back to normal in Fiona :/

When was it confirmed that Fiona is Alistair's mother?... Didn't we actually get a timeline, showing that Alistair was born before Fiona even met Maric?

If you'd read the whole thread, you'd know that BioWare published an erratum that puts Maric's adventures in the Deep Roads in 9:10 Dragon (see http://blog.bioware....me-1-an-errata/ ), which then makes it highly likely that Fiona is Alistair's mother.

[ladyiolanthe]

Maconbar wrote...

This thread reminded me about Maric alone time with Flemeth. A dragon and one with Dagon blood. Anymore information on that fron that I may have missed?

In the comics, nothing is made clear about Maric's 'alone time' with Flemeth, except that she extracted a promise from him to go help Yavana reawaken ancient dragons, once his kingdom was secure. He made good on that promise, but was kidnapped by a magister before he could help Yavana much.

[DarkSerpent1337]

So if Alistair is kind of like a human Archdemon, then he's probably able to even give Flemeth a run for her money in terms of raw power. The question is if Alistair will continue to be a good guy or if he'll grow corrupt with time and become some sort of tyrant god-king who rules with an iron fist.

Now if Alistair, Sten and Morrigan are all antagonistic in DA:I, I'll be completely pissed off. Especially since I see Morrigan and Sten as morally ambiguous but not evil. While they're ambitious, I don't see them as sinister. And if Alistair is a villain, I'd much rather he be doing what he feels is needed even if the means he goes about it are deplorable. He'd just see himself as the only known reaver/archdemon,grey warden/templar out there and that somehow gives him both a right and a responsibility to impose his will to make the world a better place.

Oh, and you should be able to side with all three of them if worst comes to worst. What they're doing may be wrong but they'd all have a point and things might be worse if one or more of them dies.