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[frostajulie]

I think its a real shame that DAO was never fixed by the devs so that players could actually get the story that was intended. IT was lazy scripting on their part and the fact that they never officially patched it but left it to fan modders to patch is beyond shameful and really speaks to the color of their companies character. Whole chunks of dialogue and gameplay were scripted wrong so players never knew about them unless they downloaded the fixes created by modders and if you are not a PC gamer then you're screwed. I guess you could say that my opinion of Bioware was already low when it come to quality control.

Now story writing and gameplay I have to say that prior to the ME3 ending They were top notch no gaming company can touch them. No game has ever made me feel so deeply like a Bioware game. I got started with ME1 then DAO then ME2 Then DA2 which I actally liked except for the yawnfest of recycled environments and the fugly cameos from the main characters in DAO really it would have been better to leave Zev and Alistair out completely then face rape them the way they did.

Then there was the backlash against the fans from the PR dept and even some of the devs the name calling entitled and whiners and all the lying the outright lying they did in prerelease about ME3 and then they got all pissy because fans angered by the ****ty ending called them on their BS.

No As much as I love bioware games the company is full of sharks all they want is their money and they don't care about the quality of the product they produce or even if fans enjoy it. Thats fine most companies are like that, but it makes me much more careful with my money.

Case in point I bought all DLC for ME1, 2, DAO and DA2 but I only got Citadel for ME3 Leviathan and Omega were way overpriced for what they offered and Omega is severely glitchy. Thanks but no thanks Bioware you did good with Citadel but my money is wrth more than the crap you keep throwing at me.

[johnj1979]

Getorex wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

I still use Mass Effect 1 and 2, but I don't use the single-player of Mass Effect 3.

The only time that I would consider using the single-player of Mass Effect 3 is when new DLC came for it, but I guess now that there is now no new DLC coming out there is NO reason at all to use Mass Effect 3 and that is a shame because I still do like Mass Effect 1 and 2 it just a shame that Mass Effect 3 is so bad.

Fan-made DLC (of a sort) makes ME3 worthwhile again: MEHEM or MEEM (I prefer MEHEM).  They put air back into the game's lungs.

What is MEHEM or MEEM?

How do I get it?

[Metallica93]

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. Damn guys, spoilers!! >:/ Read the thread title, geez...

Thanks for adding in your opinions about the "Dragon Age" series, as well. Added a bit more depth to your replies even if I was only asking about "Mass Effect."

Slayer299 wrote...

Right now I'm currently doing a playing ME2 (PC) after not being able to start up ME1/2 for a while, but for me the series stops there and Shepard is waiting for the Reapers to arrive. I just can't bring myself to import my Shep into 3 and suffer through all those issues (not the ending alone).

As for BW, I've had the greatest respect for the titles they've done and barring DA2/ME3. But they aren't that same company with those same high standards as what I'm seeing coming out from them now.

See, now, “…and suffer through all those issues (not the ending alone)” has me more worried, lol.

Now do you guys think it’s EA’s fault rather than BioWare's? For example, after playing Battlefield 3 I think I’m forever done with EA as it appears a lot of crap can be traced back directly to them. My opinion of DICE, too, went from "Wow!" to "Whatever" from Battlefield 2 to Battlefield 3. As much as I want  to play Dead Space 3, as well, I just don't want to give EA any more of my money they don't deserve. I think BioWare just caught the "terrible publisher" bug.

Ajensis wrote...

Your focus seems to be on the technical  aspects - am I right in that? If not, just let me know and I'll edit/add to make it fit :-)

I think BioWare's been good at addressing many issues, but there are still some bad ones that they haven't been  able to fix (or bothered to). Examples of some bad ones being the ladder glitch in Leviathan and the invisible stone in a part of ME3 you haven't reached yet (you'll know it when you see it). But they can be ignored and/or circumvented, it just detracts slightly from the enjoyment.

I haven't had any mouse issues, though. Have you tried a different one? Even if it works perfectly outside the game and when playing other games, it might be some weird issue that appears with this particular engine or something? I don't know, just guessing really :-P

Also, I'm curious as to why you'll be watching the endings on youtube instead of seeing them yourself (which won't be horribly out of context)? I'm not saying I think the endings are good, but they'll lose what charm they do have if you spoil it like that :-)

The technical aspects were just the more prominent issues I've had, thus far, but it's more than that. For example, in ME2, apparently I pointed a gun at Conrad Verner's head in ME1 (I didn't - I went Paragon on his ass). Such a little detail, but I was so bummed that the carry over save system (by far one of the coolest features in all of video gaming) was flawed.

I do not have another mouse to use. At least in ME2 you could change the "Coalseced" file. It appears you can't in ME3 and makes for incredibly choppy gameplay sometimes.

As for the endings, I've been told I cannot watch the original ending(s) in-game because the "Extended Cut" was automatically downloaded when I bought the game. I'll play through the whole game, but I really want to see what everyone was up in arms about.

And a couple of random thoughts:

- Not being able to crouch (such a simple feature) made me more angry than I thought in ME2/ME3. Low blow, BioWare...

- ME3 seems extremely scripted compared to its predecessors and I'm only a couple hours in. The sad part is that I had to check to make sure "Full Decisions" was turned on under "Narrative."

- Fan-made DLC? I'll have to give both "MEEM" and "MEHEM" a look, now. The only modding I've ever monkeyed with was Fallout 3 (either doing it myself or download other's work).

Modifié par Metallica93, 29 mars 2013 - 09:42 .

[Redbelle]

ME3 does reduce the amount of dialogue wheeling. At some point's it has a good effect. But in other's it feel's like getting a new crew member is just window dressing. They won't talk to me to say why they came on or if the issues they had with Shep were resolved.

ME3 does seem to have crippled it's dialogue wheel to some degree. At time's it works, but more often than not it's frustrating to go down into the bowels of the ship hunting for dialogue, only to have standard scripted responses thrown back at you.

ME1 and 2 did it better.

[Iakus]

johnj1979 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

I still use Mass Effect 1 and 2, but I don't use the single-player of Mass Effect 3.

The only time that I would consider using the single-player of Mass Effect 3 is when new DLC came for it, but I guess now that there is now no new DLC coming out there is NO reason at all to use Mass Effect 3 and that is a shame because I still do like Mass Effect 1 and 2 it just a shame that Mass Effect 3 is so bad.

Fan-made DLC (of a sort) makes ME3 worthwhile again: MEHEM or MEEM (I prefer MEHEM).  They put air back into the game's lungs.

What is MEHEM or MEEM?

How do I get it?

Click the MEHEM link in my sig

[FlamingBoy]

Bioware popularity was at their height at 2010 (despite some fair criticisms of the secound game), the gaming world literally thought they could do no wrong.

Then there was dragon age 2, then swtor (which is shaping up to be largest financial disaster in video games), then mass effect 3.

It was brutal experience, and despite the awfulness of dragon age 2 and the mediocrity of swtor, I had faith I preordered the collectors edition for that crappy game.

But the icing of the cake was the sheer brutal arrogance of the video game press, EA, and bioware themselves, this entitled nonsense which was usually used in political circles (most often associated with right wing and moderate politics) was revamped as weapon against gamers everywhere. It was the height of disgrace.

[Zeldrik1389]

Nobody's perfect. Sport players can be totally awesome in some games, and totally useless in some others. Actors / directors can make some amazing movies, and create some disaster (I just have to use Ben Afleck as an example. He did awesomely with Good Will Hunting, then made Gigli, the worst type of disaster, and then he made his come back with The Town, and Argo). So again, bad calls happen. Same to BioWare. They've created, imo, some of the best games ever made: Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter night, KOTOR, DA:O, and ME. They are capable of making awesome games. Yeah, they've been awful lately with DA 2, ME 3's ending (I still think the game overall is not bad, just got panned cuz of the controversial ending). But I believe they can recover. And seriously, imho, ME 3 isn't as awful as Diablo 3. Blizzard and their "10 year development" gave us a half ass, money grabbing game. So yeah, BioWare is capable of doing things right, just give them a chance.

[Little Princess Peach]

Bioware where trying to hard, they lost track of what masseffect games where supposed to be about after a while,

[FlamingBoy]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

Nobody's perfect. Sport players can be totally awesome in some games, and totally useless in some others. Actors / directors can make some amazing movies, and create some disaster (I just have to use Ben Afleck as an example. He did awesomely with Good Will Hunting, then made Gigli, the worst type of disaster, and then he made his come back with The Town, and Argo). So again, bad calls happen. Same to BioWare. They've created, imo, some of the best games ever made: Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter night, KOTOR, DA:O, and ME. They are capable of making awesome games. Yeah, they've been awful lately with DA 2, ME 3's ending (I still think the game overall is not bad, just got panned cuz of the controversial ending). But I believe they can recover. And seriously, imho, ME 3 isn't as awful as Diablo 3. Blizzard and their "10 year development" gave us a half ass, money grabbing game. So yeah, BioWare is capable of doing things right, just give them a chance.

That leads to the question to we pinn it to simple mistakes and give them a "chance" (something that requires money and time, the height of trust).

Or somthing significantly more incidious. And issue that rotten the core of what bioware was, and its only through complaining that they might eventually be aware of it.

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 30 mars 2013 - 08:04 .

[Redbelle]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

Nobody's perfect. Sport players can be totally awesome in some games, and totally useless in some others. Actors / directors can make some amazing movies, and create some disaster (I just have to use Ben Afleck as an example. He did awesomely with Good Will Hunting, then made Gigli, the worst type of disaster, and then he made his come back with The Town, and Argo). So again, bad calls happen. Same to BioWare. They've created, imo, some of the best games ever made: Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter night, KOTOR, DA:O, and ME. They are capable of making awesome games. Yeah, they've been awful lately with DA 2, ME 3's ending (I still think the game overall is not bad, just got panned cuz of the controversial ending). But I believe they can recover. And seriously, imho, ME 3 isn't as awful as Diablo 3. Blizzard and their "10 year development" gave us a half ass, money grabbing game. So yeah, BioWare is capable of doing things right, just give them a chance.

That leads to the question to we pinn it to simple mistakes and give them a "chance" (something that requires money and time, the height of trust).

Or somthing significantly more incidious. And issue that rotten the core of what bioware was, and its only through complaining that they might eventually be aware of it.

Another question. What direction will BW take in ME4 now they are a part of EA. EA have really pushed the whole online thing and when it works it's not half bad......

...... but SimCity stands up as a recent example of the problem's gamers can experience when a single player mode is not incorporated into a game.

Does BW intend to keep their story mode as single player or have it so that multiple players can team up for the same mission?

IMO that would be a blow against not only the ME franchise but BW itself. One of the squad mechanic that make's the game effective is that there are only so many squad members in a party. Replace them with other player's and you lose that squad member's unique perspective on event's.

I sincerely hope that BW will maintain the seperation of SP and MP. I can easily see EA pushing BW for more online features in SP. But given BW's expertise as story teller's I hope they'll stand their ground and demand to make their game's as they have, entertaining new notion's of gameplay, but with the stone to reject anything that could damage the gameplay and narrative. As those two element's go hand in hand for BW games.

[Bleachrude]

As the experiment they (Bioware) originally envisioned it as?

A smashing success as they will have learned new things that could only enhance future products.

[Ajensis]

Metallica93 wrote...

The technical aspects were just the more prominent issues I've had, thus far, but it's more than that. For example, in ME2, apparently I pointed a gun at Conrad Verner's head in ME1 (I didn't - I went Paragon on his ass). Such a little detail, but I was so bummed that the carry over save system (by far one of the coolest features in all of video gaming) was flawed.

I do not have another mouse to use. At least in ME2 you could change the "Coalseced" file. It appears you can't in ME3 and makes for incredibly choppy gameplay sometimes.

As for the endings, I've been told I cannot watch the original ending(s) in-game because the "Extended Cut" was automatically downloaded when I bought the game. I'll play through the whole game, but I really want to see what everyone was up in arms about.

And a couple of random thoughts:

- Not being able to crouch (such a simple feature) made me more angry than I thought in ME2/ME3. Low blow, BioWare...

- ME3 seems extremely scripted compared to its predecessors and I'm only a couple hours in. The sad part is that I had to check to make sure "Full Decisions" was turned on under "Narrative."

- Fan-made DLC? I'll have to give both "MEEM" and "MEHEM" a look, now. The only modding I've ever monkeyed with was Fallout 3 (either doing it myself or download other's work).

Ah, I see. From reading your opening post, I got the sense you were mostly interested in discussing the technical things and I thought that most people replying to you didn't care about that (or maybe only read the thread title? ). And yeah, that Conrad Verner bug is unfortunate... But pay attention, it might be referenced in a conversation later in ME3... it doesn't fix the mistake, but at least they're acknowledging it with some self-irony.
Anyway, since you meant for your topic to include more than the techy stuff after all, I'll add a bit to my first post: most of all, I'm grateful for the Mass Effect series. I think they're amazing games and it's been a long while since I felt so passionately about a universe. On the other hand, the ending controversy left a smear on my overall impression of both the 3rd game and BioWare as a company. I disagree with the notion (which someone posted earlier in this thread) that they're just a bunch of greedy people who only care about our money... I'm fairly sure that's a very wrong perception. The thing is, what would I have done if I'd been in their shoes a year ago? Offering a completely reworked ending must've seemed out of the question, both in terms of reputation and ressources, so the next best thing was the Extended Cut. The writers might not even believe that the ending criticism (the real kind, not the angry one-line posts) was valid, it's difficult for us to know. So yeah, while I wasn't satisfied with the ME3 ending, I find it hard to imagine how they could've handled it vastly better (maybe slightly better in regards to rhetorics, but you can always nit-pick, right?).
In short, I respect and am very grateful to BioWare for bringing Mass Effect into the world (along with many of their other games; NWN, for instance, left a substantial impression when I was a kid). I'll be more wary with future games, but until I hear anything that suggests otherwise, I choose to believe that they've taken the criticism to heart and will continue to deliver great stories from beginning to the very end.

And some of your other points: I wasn't aware that you'd get the Extended Cut automatically now, but that's good to hear. And yes, I'd recommend checking out the original ones for curiosity's sake, but I'd still strongly advice you to wait until after you've finished ME3 (maybe you've already planned to do so, but just saying it anyway). Who knows, you might like the endings try and keep an open mind, despite the voices of discontent.

I missed crouching too, but I quickly let it go (/forgot about it?). And yes, I'm not surprised you had to check your settings for the narrative, it's definitely noticeably different from its predecessors in that regard. Again, though, I think I just went with it and wasn't too bothered except for a couple of times where my Shepard reacted in a weird way. Those felt pretty bad, though, and hopefully it won't happen again to this extent in ME"4".

[XqctaX]

i would think the term sellout it proper..
why, well these things.

trying to cater to a diff crowd with
multiplayer.
autodialogue
putting story, lore choices in backseat.
microtransitions.

EA stamp on cover.

rushing game
changing main themes not unly during the last game
but again during changing the vilian and so on.

[spirosz]

They were my favourite developers, now... not so much. I still hope they do well, but as of right now, their future games won't appeal to what I want out of gaming.

[TheRealJayDee]

I loved DA:O, then was severely disappointed by DA2. After DA2 I got into playing Mass Effect, loved the first, quite liked the second and then was pretty let down by the third. What really got to me though was Bioware's PR before and after the ME3 release. But by now I have even lost interest in trying to understand why certain things were handled as badly as they were, because if they don't seem to care, why should I?

Right now I have no motivation at all to follow the development of DA:I, and can say for sure that I won't buy it near release, likely not even until the DLC cycle is over. For me to purchase it at all I require
- positive user reviews concerning all aspects of the game
- visible efforts to make a fully patched game ASAP
- honest (and respectful) communication from Bioware

[GreyLycanTrope]

spirosz wrote...

They were my favourite developers, now... not so much. I still hope they do well, but as of right now, their future games won't appeal to what I want out of gaming.

My feels as well.

[Comm1Sheppard]

My favorites developers and i will support them to death!!!!

Modifié par Comm1Sheppard, 30 mars 2013 - 02:08 .

[AresKeith]

There is no Bioware only EA

[Applepie_Svk]

AresKeith wrote...

There is no Bioware only EA

There is no war only harvest.

seems legit...

[AresKeith]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

There is no Bioware only EA

There is no war only harvest.

seems legit...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie]

Make us whole Issac, er I mean Shepard lol

[Applepie_Svk]

AresKeith wrote...


Make us whole Issac, er I mean Shepard lol

all over my face... p-hahahaha

[fluttersnipe]

My opinion has gone down now that I've played all 3 (haven't beaten the 3rd yet). I started the series at 2, and was just about to play the 3rd. Then I figured I'd buy the 1st one and play all of them in succession. WOW Did they ever change between the 1st and 2nd game. 2nd to 3rd isn't as noticeable, but they completely stripped the character development down to bare bones between the f1st and 2nd games! The 2nd game has some great improvements, but the stuff they removed like the character development, the party customization beyond alternate skins and such, it's absurd. Plus the planet exploring segments we're awesome, the M44 Hammerhead sucks compared to the original games ground vehicle .

I still enjoy the series, but am disappoint after actually playing from the start .

[SilJeff]

I think they make some fine games, even though the only three I've played are the mass effects. Yes I even think Mass Effect 3 is a fantastic game. Attack me if you will, but I find ME3 very underrated. The ending controversy had merits, but I think that in the post-ec, it is just the typical internet rage that exists.

I play all three more than any other three ever. And I will continue. I'd also like to try their non-ME games, but I haven't been able to find DA anywhere...

Disclaimer: yes, I think the ending is the weakest part of the trilogy, but I also think people are blowing it way out of proportions since we got the extended cut. I'm not saying it as fact, it is just my opinion.

[Supergamingginger]

 I'm starting to believe that there was no right way to end Commander Shepard's tale.