-Why didn't the Prothean VI on Ilos mention the Crucible?
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"I don't like to comment without having played the game, but the Crucible (as I understand it via spoilers) was new."
-Why didn't the Prothean VI on Ilos mention the Crucible?
Not smudboy it's mrbtongue who said itsH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Eryri wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Kesak12 wrote...
TL;DR Version
Since we know you wont answer all the questions we came up with we have picked out a few important ones.
1.Where does the breath scene take place?
2.Why did the Catalyst need Sovereign to open the relay?
3.How does Shepard survive the crucible blast in Destroy ending?
4.How does Shepard's squad know that Anderson is dead?
5. Where is this planet that the Normandy lands on in the end.
6.Why does Anderson's death effect Destroy ending?
7.Why is it that all of our squad mates return to the Normandy?
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Well I'll do my best....
1. Since IT is dead. The breath scene takes place on the Citadel, and some place where there is air.
2. The Catalyst would normally receive a signal from the sentinel left in the galaxy and then signal the Keepers to open the relay. The Protheans modified the Keepers so they would not respond to the signal. Thus the catalyst had to have Sovereign do this manually.
3. How does Shepard survive.... Mac wanted Shepard dead. Casey wanted Shepard to survive the high EMS destroy ending with a more optimistic open ending than we got. So Shepard survives High EMS Destroy because Casey said so, but that got scaled back because some loud mouth at SDCC was worried about stepping on some emo destroy peoples "I wanted Shepard to die anyway" head canon.
4. They know about Anderson because of well... it is not something you can comprehend.
5. It resembles that planet that had operation Overlord, but it is probably somewhere within 12 ly of Earth around a red dwarf star. It would significantly increase the chances of getting lucky.
6. Because of reasons. Mac decided them. One does not question what goes on in the mind of Mac. It is not something you can comprehend.
7. Because Shepard took two with him/her. The others did not participate in the battle in case they were needed later if everything went to hell.
There, now I've answered the most critical questions to the best of my abilities.
No offence to you personally, that was a good, well thought out effort, but some of those answers just make me ask more questions:
1. How can there be air where Shepard is on the Citadel? The station is in ruins, and the decision chamber is open to space at the best of times. If there was an invisible field holding in the air, how is it still operational after the destroy blast which damages machinery?
2. Why didn't the Catalyst have back-up systems if the Keepers failed? Bit of a design flaw for an advanced AI. If it can only work through the Keepers, then how was it able to lift Shepard up on the elevator of light, or shut off the beam following Refusal? Also, how was the Shepalyst able to command the Crucible arms to close following Control?
3. How many emo types would really have complained if that was the case? Would they really have had more complaints than just an unambiguously happy, crowd pleasing ending?
4. Not only do they know for certain Anderson is dead, the LI (and only the LI) seems certain that Shepard is alive. That might make some sense for Liara, with her Asari mind-melding "thing" that she does, but makes no sense at all for the likes of "psychic as a brick" Garrus or Ashley.
5. Good explanation, but one would have thought all such habitable planets so close to Earth would have been colonised. It's a little moot now anyway since the whole "Garden of Eden" theme where we were supposed to infer that the Stargazer was a descendent of the stranded crew in the Original Cut, was retconned due to fan distaste. The crash seems pretty pointless now, since they are able to return home in all but the lowest EMS endings.
6. Agreed, that way madness lies.
7. Well since the charge to the beam was supposedly our last and only hope, and everything had already gone to Hell, they may as well have come with Shepard now and died sooner, rather than possibly get liquified later.
Yes, this ending is maddening isn't it? It just leaves you with more questions. As Smudboy put it, "it is turtles all the way down."
1) Jessica Merizan said Shepard got thrown to one of the ward arms after the blast. Well, according to the codex, with the ward arms open like that all the air and everything that wasn't nailed down would have been thrown off the arms. If you look closely you can see debris flying off when they open. And we know her lack of credibility regarding things. So there are two other possibilities. (a) Shepard is still where she was which is .3 g, and inside the kinetic barrier and there is still air in there. OR (Shepard got beamed back down to London on that white transport beam before everything blew up as part of the way the Crucible was designed since we don't know exactly how it worked anyway. This way Shepard would not have to survive re-entry and would be in on Earth. This may be better explained in 2 where I can build off of this with a supporting ass pull.
2) You got me there. I'll have to come up with an ass pull here.... Okay. Face the facts. The Leviathans were not that bright. Intimidating, but not that bright. Any race that would create a super intelligence like they did, give it the directive to preserve organic life at all costs, and not put a restriction on it similar to Asimov's three laws is pretty f****** stupid. Look what happened to them. There's your design flaw. How did Shepard get up there? Shepard never got there. That part happened in Shepard's mind. See, that control panel in front of Shepard was the interface. When the Crucible attached and Shepard tried to get up Shepard got close enough and due to bad graphics engine actually activated something.
The "intelligence" possesses properties of its creators, the Leviathans, to project itself into Shepard's mind. And thus while Shepard was laying there unconscious, it projected itself into Shepard's mind as a glowing ghost child. There was no special chamber. There were no control rods, there was no disintegration beam, there was no tube. There was only the panel. Shepard had to stand up and push a button on the panel. For synthesis a beam would do the thing. For Control different beam would do the thing. For destroy Shepard would be transported back to earth and Crucible would fire. For refusal, it just gave the illusion of walking off and leaving Shepard alone in a chamber. Whew! That was a hard one, but I think I pull a good one.
3) Only one emo type was necessary.... Mac. I'm also sure that a small minority was sufficient. See, those of us in the "vocal minority" (really the majority) just didn't understand the need for sacrifice. Shepard was supposed to sacrifice themselves for the galaxy's sins to become "The Shepard" of the galaxy. This is not something any of us can comprehend.
4) Psychic as a brick Ashley and Garrus.... The scenes were out of order for artistic reasons only known to Mac. The correct order was Breath Scene, Take off, Memorial Scene. That is how they would know about Anderson. Something a little more definite than just cradling the name would have been more welcome, but again ... Mac.
5) Even if the worlds were all colonized, there would still be parts that would be wild. And if they were colonized it would make getting parts for the Normandy easier. Take a shuttle to the nearest town for materials and use their machine shop to make replacement parts. Makes even more sense to me. Solidified.
6) not touching this one again.
7) If the battle for earth fails, or if Shepard refuses, the Normandy would get the hell out of there. Hackett would call for a full retreat. There are plenty of places to hide. It's a big galaxy. Liara would continue with her seeding project. There is a very good chance the humans would live to old age, and the Normandy would become a very lonely place with just EDI and Liara, and maybe pick up a few Asari from one of the Asari ships, for a crew along the way. Who knows? When she is done they just may find a world and say so long to EDI, and spend the rest of their days there and live like a primitives after planting the last of her beacons. The reapers may never find her. The woman in the Stargazer scene in the refuse ending talking to the boy does look Asari. Possible they co-habit this world with the native race.
Modifié par Troxa, 02 avril 2013 - 01:16 .
Home run MF wrote...
-Why didn't the Prothean VI on Ilos mention the Crucible?
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/209035587552940033
"I don't like to comment without having played the game, but the Crucible (as I understand it via spoilers) was new."
Troxa wrote...
Home run MF wrote...
-Why didn't the Prothean VI on Ilos mention the Crucible?
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/209035587552940033
"I don't like to comment without having played the game, but the Crucible (as I understand it via spoilers) was new."
& this
"The Catalyst didn't exist until I after I left the MassEffect franchise, so I can't really say what it would do."
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/290936902222233600
lostmercenary99 wrote...
I have only 1 question.
1. What the hell was the point of the human reaper?
FlyingSquirrel wrote...
I have some keeper-related unanswered questions:
- Are the keepers sapient?
- Do they understand what's going on around them most of the time?
- What are the ones in the tunnel where Shepard "beams up" doing? Are they back under the Reapers' control? Checking for survivors? Doing some other routine that has nothing to do with all the bodies?
- Were they a harvested species, or were they created artificially?
- Do they communicate with each other at all, or do they each just go about their business independently?
Troxa wrote...
Home run MF wrote...
-Why didn't the Prothean VI on Ilos mention the Crucible?
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/209035587552940033
"I don't like to comment without having played the game, but the Crucible (as I understand it via spoilers) was new."
& this
"The Catalyst didn't exist until I after I left the MassEffect franchise, so I can't really say what it would do."
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/290936902222233600
MassEffectFShep wrote...
Troxa wrote...
Home run MF wrote...
-Why didn't the Prothean VI on Ilos mention the Crucible?
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/209035587552940033
"I don't like to comment without having played the game, but the Crucible (as I understand it via spoilers) was new."
& this
"The Catalyst didn't exist until I after I left the MassEffect franchise, so I can't really say what it would do."
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/290936902222233600
The Catalyst one bugs me. One of my biggest questions was "Why did the Catalyst need Sovereign to open open the Citadel in ME1," and it sounds like the answer is "'Cuz we made up the Catalyst after we published the Sovereign storyline and didn't bother to incorporate an explanation for how they'd work together in-game.":blink:
KENNY4753 wrote...
-Who were the Keepers originally?
Skullheart wrote...
- How didn't Traynor locate Ceberus base when she was tracking Kai Lame?. After Thessia Leng went to Cronos to deliver the Prothean VI, after that he goes to Sanctuary.
MetioricTest wrote...
The Keepers know what's around them in terms of being aware that people exist. But they do not care one way or another for them. (As seen by ignoring everyone and killing them) Their only concern is the upkeep of the Citadel. They clearly communicate (or at least are aware) with each other because they have to repair things and keep their numbers up.
As for their origin? It is implied they were a race from a previous cycle that the Reapers harvested. And are just another species' husks. This is never confirmed but it's implied.
Modifié par Eryri, 03 avril 2013 - 10:41 .
Eryri wrote...
Thanks, that was another one of mine. I suppose one could headcanon that the Reapers wanted to draw the entire fleet to Earth to obliterate it in one fell swoop, but it was a bit of a gamble considering they were using as bait, the one thing in the galaxy that could destroy them. I'm sorry to say the Reaper seem to have had a serious reduction in IQ somewhere between ME2 and ME3.-Once the Reapers had the Citadel, why didn't they use it to deactivate the relay network, and isolate the Alliance fleet?This is a very very very valid question. But considering the events of ME2 and Javik's dialogue, it seems this Relay Network control was retconned.
Again my apologies if any of my point came across as fecetious or condescending. I find myself somewhat frustrated with Bioware's refusal to talk about some of these questions.
Spartas Husky wrote...
Eryri wrote...
Thanks, that was another one of mine. I suppose one could headcanon that the Reapers wanted to draw the entire fleet to Earth to obliterate it in one fell swoop, but it was a bit of a gamble considering they were using as bait, the one thing in the galaxy that could destroy them. I'm sorry to say the Reaper seem to have had a serious reduction in IQ somewhere between ME2 and ME3.-Once the Reapers had the Citadel, why didn't they use it to deactivate the relay network, and isolate the Alliance fleet?This is a very very very valid question. But considering the events of ME2 and Javik's dialogue, it seems this Relay Network control was retconned.
Again my apologies if any of my point came across as fecetious or condescending. I find myself somewhat frustrated with Bioware's refusal to talk about some of these questions.
So...
We draw them to eartha nd suffer casualties.
Or we close the relays and we ensure their starvation with NO casualties.
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Eryri wrote...
Spartas Husky wrote...
Eryri wrote...
Thanks, that was another one of mine. I suppose one could headcanon that the Reapers wanted to draw the entire fleet to Earth to obliterate it in one fell swoop, but it was a bit of a gamble considering they were using as bait, the one thing in the galaxy that could destroy them. I'm sorry to say the Reaper seem to have had a serious reduction in IQ somewhere between ME2 and ME3.-Once the Reapers had the Citadel, why didn't they use it to deactivate the relay network, and isolate the Alliance fleet?This is a very very very valid question. But considering the events of ME2 and Javik's dialogue, it seems this Relay Network control was retconned.
Again my apologies if any of my point came across as fecetious or condescending. I find myself somewhat frustrated with Bioware's refusal to talk about some of these questions.
So...
We draw them to eartha nd suffer casualties.
Or we close the relays and we ensure their starvation with NO casualties.
.............................................................................
...........................?
Yeah, I know. It doesn't make much sense.
Valhart wrote...
A lot of your questions are already answered or don't even need to be asked....
That's true to a point, but there remain a lot of very important ones. Some that are just so important, Bioware either can't answer them because they don't know the answer, or won't, which is not only cruel, but shows a lack of integrity.Sovereign330 wrote...
Valhart wrote...
A lot of your questions are already answered or don't even need to be asked....
BansheeOwnage wrote...
That's true to a point, but there remain a lot of very important ones. Some that are just so important, Bioware either can't answer them because they don't know the answer, or won't, which is not only cruel, but shows a lack of integrity.
mtmercydave09 wrote...
I dunno. All I know was that the game was pretty fun to play through, even with all the unanswered questions.
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Dendio1 wrote...
mtmercydave09 wrote...
I dunno. All I know was that the game was pretty fun to play through, even with all the unanswered questions.
MassEffectFShep wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
That's true to a point, but there remain a lot of very important ones. Some that are just so important, Bioware either can't answer them because they don't know the answer, or won't, which is not only cruel, but shows a lack of integrity.
+1
ZacTB wrote...
Dendio1 wrote...
mtmercydave09 wrote...
I dunno. All I know was that the game was pretty fun to play through, even with all the unanswered questions.
Yeah it's still my favourite game series. Not every question can be answered.