Lohe, in the other thread it was suggested by Victor that the dex fix isn't even a priority and may never get fixed. Anyone who has the game on the shelf, waiting for fixes maybe be waiting forever.
We really are being ignored
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#52
Posté 09 février 2010 - 05:37
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It was nice to see someone from Bioware at least respond to us here, but I have to agree that putting the game on the shelf for months to wait for patches etc is rather depressing, I bought the game to play not have it collect dust on a shelf. The thing that worries me is that it's been 3+ months and nothing yet, I already gave this game a second chance after losing 7 characters and over 200 hours. I am still willing to buy the expansion but if the problems from the original game aren't fixed it will be very difficult to play the expansion. Also, after seeing how many bugs we have now, will the expansion just add even more bugs? I'd hate to buy the expansion only to have it collect dust as well. I'll keep my fingers crossed though because I really like this game.
#53
Posté 09 février 2010 - 05:58
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As I said in the other thread, my solution is to just wait from now on. I didn't buy ME2 new for this reason. I'm just going to wait a few months and buy it used. Hopefully by then whatever bugs it has will be patched. I'll pay less money and (hopefully) have a more playable game as a result.
And if enough people do this (because Bioware doesn't get another dime when someone buys used) maybe Bioware will actually think twice before releasing a game where 1/3 of all classes are basically unplayable.
And if enough people do this (because Bioware doesn't get another dime when someone buys used) maybe Bioware will actually think twice before releasing a game where 1/3 of all classes are basically unplayable.
#54
Posté 09 février 2010 - 10:31
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Egads, at first I couldn't tell if this was the ps3 support board or the xbox support board. But then I saw an actual post from a bioware employee, and noticed refs to RtO, and knew I had to be in the xbox section. It may not mean much, but they at least acknowledge your existence. 
Passing the buck to Edge of Reality or Microsoft or Sony or EA doesn't cut it for the console issues. It's Bioware's game. They pulled in all the cash by releasing it to the console platforms, the buck stops with them. We expect a near-similar level of support for our issues with the console versions. If you can't do that, then don't release it. If the problem is with EoR, well, find another house who can do the job, because let's face it, their output, or lack thereof, reflects upon them. I guarantee that with this many millions of copies sold on the consoles, and with the issues and the non-communication, most people won't say, "oh, I won't buy that game, Edge of Reality did the port". They'll put the stink on Bioware, who will suffer.
I've only ever heard good things about all of Bioware's past PC games. But if this is indicative of the support I can expect for their console releases, I won't be partaking further. Less annoyance and irritation.
Passing the buck to Edge of Reality or Microsoft or Sony or EA doesn't cut it for the console issues. It's Bioware's game. They pulled in all the cash by releasing it to the console platforms, the buck stops with them. We expect a near-similar level of support for our issues with the console versions. If you can't do that, then don't release it. If the problem is with EoR, well, find another house who can do the job, because let's face it, their output, or lack thereof, reflects upon them. I guarantee that with this many millions of copies sold on the consoles, and with the issues and the non-communication, most people won't say, "oh, I won't buy that game, Edge of Reality did the port". They'll put the stink on Bioware, who will suffer.
I've only ever heard good things about all of Bioware's past PC games. But if this is indicative of the support I can expect for their console releases, I won't be partaking further. Less annoyance and irritation.
#55
Posté 09 février 2010 - 11:01
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You know what's funny to me is how many people run into these "bugs", yet still haven't figured out that most of them are essentially avoidable. Granted, when I buy I game I don't expect to have to spend hours on various websites or message boards, educating myself about the little pitfalls I need to avoid. This fact certainly lowers the overall quality score of the game significantly. But it doesn't change the fact that they are avoidable. The game plays relatively well otherwise. I completed an entire playthrough with minimal annoyances only because I educated myself beforehand. So far, I am halfway through my second character and it's going flawlessly.
Maybe I just have a different way of looking at things. Maybe it's just because I've worked with computers since I was a child. Computers, software in particular, ALWAYS have problems. In any event, there are certain things you can do to mitigate risk. If you haven't learned by now to keep at least 10-20 save games going at any given time (with any game) I don't know what to tell you. It's just like keeping more than one backup of your data. People backup their data one time and think it's sufficient. They're wrong.
I do realize there are some things out there that really scratch people the wrong way. The dex bug? Sure, it does limit you somewhat in your choice of character development. But ruin the rouge? Are you kidding me? My dual-weapon rogue was an insanely fun playthrough. Crazy power. Again, is that going to disappoint the archers out there? Yes. But if playing an archer was the ONLY thing you wanted to do then you're probably in the minority and should take your game back. There are plenty of other playstyles and combinations to experience that work perfectly. And to you people that think putting the game on the shelf and "waiting" is a good idea, that's bull. Silent protest is not going to be effective in this case. You've spent the money, either play the game or take it back. If you really want to protest you can write them emails or file with the BBB, whatever helps make you think you are making a difference. Fine. But denying yourself, what I have personally found to be a pretty solid game, is only hurting you.
Oh and by the way, this comes from someone who's spent a lot of time trying to help anyone out there with problems find possible workarounds or avoid problems. All I'm saying is that you CAN enjoy this game if you put your mind to it. I know it's a pain, but it can be done.
Feel free to respond with specific bugs that you think I'm wrong about. Now flame away...
Maybe I just have a different way of looking at things. Maybe it's just because I've worked with computers since I was a child. Computers, software in particular, ALWAYS have problems. In any event, there are certain things you can do to mitigate risk. If you haven't learned by now to keep at least 10-20 save games going at any given time (with any game) I don't know what to tell you. It's just like keeping more than one backup of your data. People backup their data one time and think it's sufficient. They're wrong.
I do realize there are some things out there that really scratch people the wrong way. The dex bug? Sure, it does limit you somewhat in your choice of character development. But ruin the rouge? Are you kidding me? My dual-weapon rogue was an insanely fun playthrough. Crazy power. Again, is that going to disappoint the archers out there? Yes. But if playing an archer was the ONLY thing you wanted to do then you're probably in the minority and should take your game back. There are plenty of other playstyles and combinations to experience that work perfectly. And to you people that think putting the game on the shelf and "waiting" is a good idea, that's bull. Silent protest is not going to be effective in this case. You've spent the money, either play the game or take it back. If you really want to protest you can write them emails or file with the BBB, whatever helps make you think you are making a difference. Fine. But denying yourself, what I have personally found to be a pretty solid game, is only hurting you.
Oh and by the way, this comes from someone who's spent a lot of time trying to help anyone out there with problems find possible workarounds or avoid problems. All I'm saying is that you CAN enjoy this game if you put your mind to it. I know it's a pain, but it can be done.
Feel free to respond with specific bugs that you think I'm wrong about. Now flame away...
#56
Posté 10 février 2010 - 12:28
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I agree on most part Wicked 702. But dont forget there are gamers out there which collect games for their library. To build one up for example. Im one of those gamers. It doesnt hurt me when I bought a game which rests on the shelf after a first walkthrough. Im quite sure in your own library are such games too. Perhaps in the digital one (arcade games). So far I have libraries for Sega Master, MegaDrive, SuperNintendo, PSX and XBOX360(includes normal XBOX games as well). Lots of those games collects dust on my shelf - some of them since years I guess. The reasons are different. On some I lost interest, some were just cheap buys and some are with bugs and waiting for a fix. DAO belongs to the last group for me. If there wont be support to this game, its just another packages I can look at - at least with good feelings, because I have successfully avoided to get a bad feeling while playing it and running into the same bugs again and again. You see ?
Hm. Generally I dont see the point in mailing EA. We have already found out how their support works. I dont think it would be nice to paste their answers over and over here again
EA/BW/EoR can easily look into the thread their customers created for them to see which bugs exist in their game.
Hm. Generally I dont see the point in mailing EA. We have already found out how their support works. I dont think it would be nice to paste their answers over and over here again
EA/BW/EoR can easily look into the thread their customers created for them to see which bugs exist in their game.
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 01:06
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Indeed, I agree with you. Am I just old, or do I remember in the past when I spent more time on my PC gaming, that bug fixes were a near constant and ongoing occurrence. Seems to me like it took years on games like NWN, Starcraft, Counter-Strike, Diablo I & II, etc. etc. where there was ALWAYS something to be fixed. Maybe because those bugs weren't as visible to such a wide audience they didn't get the same response they have here. I swear those games had 50+ updates each.
I will grant that many of these bugs here are rather severe, but I honestly can't say that the number of bugs in a product of this complexity surprises me. True, many of these should have been caught during testing. (I think Bioware may want to look into contracting with different testers...just my opinion.) I just don't understand the anger and hatred. Maybe it's because the Xbox is a console and console gamers aren't used to dealing with so many bugs? Dunno....
I will grant that many of these bugs here are rather severe, but I honestly can't say that the number of bugs in a product of this complexity surprises me. True, many of these should have been caught during testing. (I think Bioware may want to look into contracting with different testers...just my opinion.) I just don't understand the anger and hatred. Maybe it's because the Xbox is a console and console gamers aren't used to dealing with so many bugs? Dunno....
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 03:28
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The save corruption bug, in particular, is one that polarizes people very quickly. Losing 30+ hours of gameplay because you sold too much vendor trash in a RPG where desirable items can only be acquired by accumulating large amounts of gold makes people understandably angry. Reports indicate that even older saves get corrupted when this happens, which makes starting over the only option.
I haven't personally encountered the bug yet, so I don't have any firsthand knowledge, but I'm not really interested in playing Russian roulette with my mid- to late-game saves. I can probably tiptoe around the issue by distributing my item sales to multiple vendors, but if I go to all that extra trouble and my saves still get corrupted I would be even angrier about the wasted time.
As Wicked mentions, the game is large and complex, so I'm not surprised that bugs exist. I am quite surprised, however, that something as dramatic as total save corruption under identifiable circumstances hasn't been corrected in the three months since the issue was first reported. I appreciate that there are subcontracting issues involved, but it seems odd to me that at least one patch wasn't in the budget/planning from the beginning, given the aforementioned complexity of the software. It's very unlikely that the game would be perfect on release.
I haven't personally encountered the bug yet, so I don't have any firsthand knowledge, but I'm not really interested in playing Russian roulette with my mid- to late-game saves. I can probably tiptoe around the issue by distributing my item sales to multiple vendors, but if I go to all that extra trouble and my saves still get corrupted I would be even angrier about the wasted time.
As Wicked mentions, the game is large and complex, so I'm not surprised that bugs exist. I am quite surprised, however, that something as dramatic as total save corruption under identifiable circumstances hasn't been corrected in the three months since the issue was first reported. I appreciate that there are subcontracting issues involved, but it seems odd to me that at least one patch wasn't in the budget/planning from the beginning, given the aforementioned complexity of the software. It's very unlikely that the game would be perfect on release.
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 09:11
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Like I still have that receipt in my wallet...
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 11:52
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Wicked 702 wrote...
Indeed, I agree with you. Am I just old, or do I remember in the past when I spent more time on my PC gaming, that bug fixes were a near constant and ongoing occurrence. Seems to me like it took years on games like NWN, Starcraft, Counter-Strike, Diablo I & II, etc. etc. where there was ALWAYS something to be fixed. Maybe because those bugs weren't as visible to such a wide audience they didn't get the same response they have here. I swear those games had 50+ updates each.
I will grant that many of these bugs here are rather severe, but I honestly can't say that the number of bugs in a product of this complexity surprises me. True, many of these should have been caught during testing. (I think Bioware may want to look into contracting with different testers...just my opinion.) I just don't understand the anger and hatred. Maybe it's because the Xbox is a console and console gamers aren't used to dealing with so many bugs? Dunno....
As an old-school PC gamer, I'm used to timely support for broken games. It's been three months, and we're still sitting with the Dex bug. For me, this is a big deal. I thought Dex would help Liliana and Zev (I was running him dual daggers) and pumped it up for both of them. Plus, Dex is the "iconic" stat for rogues. The idea that they actually need Strength for bows and daggers is pretty counterintuitive.
I was pumping it for a while before I realized it wasn't really doing anything. I could reload an old save and play through ~20 hours of gameplay again, but I shouldn't have to. The game is bugged, and it's Bioware's responsibility to fix it. I love Bioware. KOTOR is one of the best games I ever played, but I'm not so devoted to them that I think it's my job to scour the forums and learn what bugs they left in the game to play around them.
I'm also really annoyed by Alastair's dialogue bugs at the end of the game where he talks about how he's king regardless of whetehr you put him on the throne or not and the fact that my epilogue story was completeley screwed up. DA is just really, really buggy. I expected more from Bioware. If they'd have patched in a timely manner, hey, I all would have been forgiven... but I dunno. I just expected more from them, and these kind of shoddy bugs are just driving me crazy.
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Posté 17 février 2010 - 05:25
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Just a shot it the dark, but...Seems like EA is having some issues. I've been noticing certain things. Spore was broken for about a week and I couldn't log on at all and there was no,none, zilch, support. Mass Effect 2 (won't buy it till I figure out what's going on) is reported to have some DLC issues (EA too right?) been a few others I can't remember off the top of my head. What I'm getting at is, maybe Bioware isn't entirely responsible. Anyway, I'm just throwing this out there and it means nothing. Maybe someone is dropping the ball at that stage...?
#63
Posté 18 février 2010 - 01:26
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I can admitt that I was a little disappointed with the TU for Xbox360, I thought it would adress more bugs, like the Poison/Trap Radial menu glitch etc.
