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[Vazgen]

Page 400!!

 

Was reading through Jack's fan thread, finished first 100 pages today. Now I feel sad. You can feel the excitement people had when discussing their favorite character, speculating on her role in the game, her appearance, character. There was not even a thought that Jack might not be a squadmate. And then news started to arrive, leaks... People start to leave to avoid spoilers, some stick around and (rightfully) tear apart the information from the leak. You can feel disappointment in that thread's pages. This comment is my personal favorite:

 

I can't imagine Jack being cameo'd in a way that doesn't bastardize her character, though. I mean, how would it go down? 

"Hey Shepard, only person I've ever trusted with my personal garbage, it's good to see you again. I know you're fighting an intergalactic war right now, but trust me, whatever I'm doing out here in space is SUPER important and demands my undivided attention. Sure, I'll help you blow up whatever you came here to blow up so that you can have a War Asset and maybe we can have drinks afterwards, but after that, I'm gone until the finale. Have fun hanging out with Liara for the next forty hours, I'll be over here."

Like I said before, any excuse that Bioware comes up with to keep Jack off the Normandy and away from Shepard will just feel like a lame excuse for her cameo, a cop-out to compensate for the fact that she can die in ME2. After everything she went through with Shepard, I can't imagine Jack just up and finding something new that monopolizes her time. She needs to be back on the Normandy. I don't even care if all Jack does on the Normandy is lurk in sub-engineering and say, "I'm done talking, come back later." At least that would be consistent with her character.

 

That description from October 2011 is downright prophetic! Now, I think Jack's content in ME3 is better compared to all other ME2-specific squadmates, but still, how much better the game could've been... They should've given players options to recruit squadmates they want. Hopefully ME:Andromeda will have that feature, or, at least, future installments...

[gottaloveme]

Apparently, the Alliance spent two years being too busy that they have to ask the formerly deceased Commander to go to her graveyard and find what remains of her crew.

Spoiler

Then she went to Aratoht to rescue Hackett's 'friend' but it turns out that it was a trap

Spoiler

So she tried to kill Hackett's crazy friend

Spoiler

but Rev nearly got blown up either way.

Then she meet up with Ol' Harby

Spoiler

and they talk dirty to each other...

then she destroy a relay because she didn't want to see the nasty bugger again

Spoiler

but she killed a colony

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although the Batarians killed her family and a whole lot others, but it still make her sad.

Spoiler

and all alone.......

Then Anderson quit politics in style

Spoiler

 

and Revvie had to go back on Earth in chains and she had a lot of therapy and a lot of make-up sex with Kaidan for six months.

 

Since I'm not in the mood to start the Party or finish my last ME3 playthrough (urgh... Priority : London) so I'm replaying everything again. Yeah, I'm that boring... but I'm not sure I'm going to keep updating..... then again some of the MEA threads are really toxic...

 

Heard about IT, didn't really care for it. I believe Shepard was suffering through a process of indoctrination... but I don't believe that everything is a dream. Pffft...

 

Chains and make-up sex in the same sentence huh?

 

And I have never seen this scene with Anderson . . . er. . . resigning. Where? When? How?

 

My new playthrough is Jillian Shepard (vanguard again ) trying to out run the 'butcher of Torfan' stigma. It will also be an IT playthrough. Poor Kaidan is right all along but still hasn't got the heart to deny his best love ever.

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Page 400!!

That description from October 2011 is downright prophetic! Now, I think Jack's content in ME3 is better compared to all other ME2-specific squadmates, but still, how much better the game could've been... They should've given players options to recruit squadmates they want. Hopefully ME:Andromeda will have that feature, or, at least, future installments...

 

Yay, confetti all around!  

 

I just hope they never do something like the Suicide Mission in the middle game again! If there was ever another trilogy. It was stupid in hindsight, how many characters could be dead? Of course they cannot give them all the content they would deserve in ME3, as that would've taken too much time and resources.

I hope they learned from that. As a finale it would be awesome again (imagine London with that!), but not when the games still continue.

We'll see what the future brings

 

I'm nearly done with collecting all James dialogue for Grissom Academy, just another round of Javik right now And I am sorry, but Jack being dead in ME3 is better for me All for two lovely sentences from Vega

Tomorrow I'll continue the story, Citadel Coup awaits, and I'm already looking forward to it!

[themikefest]

Page 400!!

 

Was reading through Jack's fan thread, finished first 100 pages today. Now I feel sad. You can feel the excitement people had when discussing their favorite character, speculating on her role in the game, her appearance, character. There was not even a thought that Jack might not be a squadmate. And then news started to arrive, leaks... People start to leave to avoid spoilers, some stick around and (rightfully) tear apart the information from the leak. You can feel disappointment in that thread's pages. This comment is my personal favorite:

 

 

 

That description from October 2011 is downright prophetic! Now, I think Jack's content in ME3 is better compared to all other ME2-specific squadmates, but still, how much better the game could've been... They should've given players options to recruit squadmates they want. Hopefully ME:Andromeda will have that feature, or, at least, future installments...

The way the game ended up being, I would've replaced the edibot and James with Jack and Miranda since both are LI. I get they can be dead, but so can garrus and tali. 

[themikefest]

Harley Shepard

 

met the council

Kaidan is unconscious

Chakwas is sent to the Normandy

had a dream I was chasing a dog

talk with the crew

got in a fight

went to the moon

found the primarch

I will let you know what I will do next later

[cap and gown]

 

I just hope they never do something like the Suicide Mission in the middle game again! If there was ever another trilogy. It was stupid in hindsight, how many characters could be dead? Of course they cannot give them all the content they would deserve in ME3, as that would've taken too much time and resources.

I hope they learned from that. As a finale it would be awesome again (imagine London with that!), but not when the games still continue.

We'll see what the future brings

 

The developers long ago admitted that they had made a mistake with the suicide mission. So, yes, they learned their lesson. Unfortunately, a lot of fans apparently haven't learned that lesson. I see threads in the MEA forum saying this or that person wants the option to not recruit characters. Yet how is that any different from killing them off when it comes to later games? It is not different. So you either go with a consistent cast, with no player choice on who get recruited, or you do stand alone games like the Dragon Age series where the import feature is pretty much a joke since all it changes are a few cameos.

[gottaloveme]

Harley Shepard

 

met the council

 

So appropriate Mr Fest

[Mr Plow]

My God that Jack quote from her thread really was on the money

 

 

 

 

[birefringent]

Breeze Shepard starting off with a little N7 workout on the Normandy

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[gottaloveme]

Yay, confetti all around!

 And I am sorry, but Jack being dead in ME3 is better for me All for two lovely sentences from Vega

Tomorrow I'll continue the story, Citadel Coup awaits, and I'm already looking forward to it!

 

I have never liked the way Jack on Grissom changes the attitude of the students.   But what I do like is that with her there, all students make it out alive . (Except for that first one being dragged along by his ankle. Shep sooooo much wants to save him   (your bad BW)).

[themikefest]

Harley Shepard

 

went to the hospital and saw a drell fighting the window. 

Elvis wants to leave the hospital

talked with the hooded girl who help me save a homeworld

met with a turian, krogan and salarian. How hard would it be to get the 3 of them to fight each other? Could make it a pay-per-view event. haha

saw a female in a glass container

here we go again. the wannabe's want to fight again. these guys need to give it up. They would save a lot of lives

I'm going to my cabin to relax and watch a Clint Eastwood movie

[cap and gown]

Marko died after "only" 17 days. Don't know how he was supposed to survive even that long with armed thugs wounding him every single night and robbing the house every time he went out to scavenge. Lesson: leave the house during a crime wave and take the food and water with you. Or don't try to ride out a war by yourself.

 

Oh, and I did watch a few mass effect videos.

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I have never liked the way Jack on Grissom changes the attitude of the students.   But what I do like is that with her there, all students make it out alive . (Except for that first one being dragged along by his ankle. Shep sooooo much wants to save him   (your bad BW)).

 

I like it with Jack being around, I do like Jack a lot, so it's cool to see her that way with the students, but somehow if the students make it on their own it had much more impact for me. It was the first time for me with Jack being dead, but I enjoyed it a lot more. Too bad about Prangley though, I really liked him

[aoibhealfae]

While I really like the atmosphere of the crash site, the set up for the mission is completely idiotic.

Normally I treat the mission as Shepard's personal quest and I like to play it at the end of Arrival before I start ME3.... but it start to wear on me. I kept remembering that those dog tags represent actual corpses that have been lying around forgotten in a sub-zero planet. something similar on Benning too but Shepard said she saw the actual body of the ambassador's son and I assume she notified the Alliance later, but its unforgivable to leave Pressly there for years.

 

Chains and make-up sex in the same sentence huh?

 

And I have never seen this scene with Anderson . . . er. . . resigning. Where? When? How?

Ehem... biotics gave off static and Mordin's "inventive uses of mass effect fields". Hehehe... They're all into kink. 

 

Its a vid from the Shadow Broker's ship. Anderson quit right around Mass Effect Retribution. But I don't really think its a good canon since the book was written before Mass Effect 3 and its 40% about Kai Leng.

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Playing with a lot of texture mods this time. EDI finally got a proper Alliance logo instead of the Cerberus logo on her chest. Didn't really see that much differences with other HR mods except for longer texmod loads. I think I like Kasumi without the memory box. 

[birefringent]

Cerberus has its uses

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[aka.700]

Started a new playthrough with an import of ME3 as Adept. Finished the Mars mission. I feel like this is gonna be a very easy walkthrough.
I'm planning to continue my relationship with Kaidan. I find it odd that when I was talking in Kaidan's room,for the first time I went there, a doctor came in and listened to what I said all along. Are you here for this doc?

[Vazgen]

And I am sorry, but Jack being dead in ME3 is better for me All for two lovely sentences from Vega

You... MONSTER!!!  

 

The way the game ended up being, I would've replaced the edibot and James with Jack and Miranda since both are LI. I get they can be dead, but so can garrus and tali. 

I'd have replaced Liara with Jack and EDIbot with Miranda. With an option to avoid recruiting any of them.

 

The developers long ago admitted that they had made a mistake with the suicide mission. So, yes, they learned their lesson. Unfortunately, a lot of fans apparently haven't learned that lesson. I see threads in the MEA forum saying this or that person wants the option to not recruit characters. Yet how is that any different from killing them off when it comes to later games? It is not different. So you either go with a consistent cast, with no player choice on who get recruited, or you do stand alone games like the Dragon Age series where the import feature is pretty much a joke since all it changes are a few cameos.

Unfortunately it means getting stuck with characters we don't like. I would prefer the devs to have clear ideas for each characters story and stick to it. Protagonist's recruitment might change some things but it should be clear that those characters follow their own paths and those paths don't have to depend on protagonist's involvement.

 

My God that Jack quote from her thread really was on the money

 

Sad, isn't it? There are several statements like this. They were dismissed as something that Bioware won't do, but, unfortunately, it wasn't the case.

[themikefest]

 

I'd have replaced Liara with Jack and EDIbot with Miranda. With an option to avoid recruiting any of them.

 I wouldn't have a problem with that

[cap and gown]

 

Unfortunately it means getting stuck with characters we don't like. I would prefer the devs to have clear ideas for each characters story and stick to it. Protagonist's recruitment might change some things but it should be clear that those characters follow their own paths and those paths don't have to depend on protagonist's involvement.

 

Well, guess what? You end up stuck having to deal with people you don't like all the time.

[fraggle]

Cerberus has its uses

Spoiler

 

That hair! She's really sexy!

 

You... MONSTER!!!  

 

I know. Don't worry though, she'll live in most of my playthroughs (especially in my next  ). But James praising Prangley is just so damn adorable

[Vazgen]

Well, guess what? You end up stuck having to deal with people you don't like all the time.

I'm not sure what you mean. If I'm recruiting people for a mission, I'd recruit those I have no problems working with, people I can trust. Why do I have to recruit someone I don't trust in the slightest, whom I don't like personally? The only reason is that person being able to do something no one else can. Take ME2, for example. What was the use of Jacob? A soldier? Zaeed-style mercenary covers that slot better. Biotic? There are stronger biotics there - Jack, for example, with the same weapon proficiencies and very similar skillset (better power recharge). For some reason Bioware decided that he can be a good squad leader while the game doesn't indicate that. 

 

Avoiding recruitment =/= death of a character. In the second case your work on character personality is wasted. In the first case, you can continue it in the next game. Take Garrus, for example. You can avoid recruiting him in ME1 but recruit him in ME2. There is no need to create a replacement character. His character arc evolves with or without player input. Of course, in his particular case, the writing could've been better ("Just like old times" when Garrus was never recruited ) but the idea still works. That's what I'm suggesting. Character arcs should not revolve around the protagonist and his mission and there should be a potential for them to evolve without player input. 

 

I know. Don't worry though, she'll live in most of my playthroughs (especially in my next  ).

Good! 

[cap and gown]

No officer serving on a ship has a choice of who he has to work with. This is your crew, deal with it. And because you have the option to not recruit Garrus or Wrex in ME1 makes the dialogue go completely wonky by the time you get to ME3. And no, you don't get a choice on whether to recruit Garrus in ME2.

 

You are asking for Wrex/Wreav levels of differentiation for each and every character and its just not going to happen. Well, unless you are a billionaire and are willing to fork over a few million to BW to implement it.

[Vazgen]

No officer serving on a ship has a choice of who he has to work with. This is your crew, deal with it. And because you have the option to not recruit Garrus or Wrex in ME1 makes the dialogue go completely wonky by the time you get to ME3. And no, you don't get a choice on whether to recruit Garrus in ME2.

 

You are asking for Wrex/Wreav levels of differentiation for each and every character and its just not going to happen. Well, unless you are a billionaire and are willing to fork over a few million to BW to implement it.

What you say is true for a fully military ship with protagonist not being in charge. In all three ME games we were in charge of who we recruit onto the ship. To a smaller extent in ME1 and ME3 but the ability was there. 

If we are given a ship and asked to gather a crew for it (like in ME2), why would you recruit someone you don't trust?

 

Garrus's dialogue is wonky because writers assumed his role as a permanent bro to Shepard, someone who was with him from the beginning. Of course with such a character trait it's downright impossible to make him independent of player choices. 

 

I'm not asking for Wrex/Wreav levels of differentiation. I'm asking for each character to have a set character arc, one that can't be drastically altered by the player, one that they follow regardless of being recruited or not. In future games the previous history with protagonist might allow for extra dialogue and decision options, but not at the expense of character personality. 

[birefringent]

That hair! She's really sexy!

[dragonflight288]

Perseus Shepard had a VERY busy couple of days.

 

He went to Noveria with Liara and Garrus, found Benezia and killed her, killed the Rachni Queen because he didn't want to upset the current galactic climate and how tense things are right now without bringing back a race that took the Krogan to defeat, and the Krogan don't have the numbers they once did when the Rachni threatened the galaxy the first time. 

 

He then went on several missions with Liara and Garrus, and while investigating a nuclear bomb inside a probe, they hopped out of the Mako near the mine and Liara was dead. Must've hit her head on the, admittedly, VERY bumpy ride in the Mako. 

 

Don't worry, she came back to life after a few seconds, so she must've only been knocked out. 

 

Afterwards Perseus Jackson Shepard found Wrex's battle armor and Wrex as happy to come along on the mission. Then Shepard went to Pinnacle Station and it took like a dozen tries to beat a couple of the simulator's, but then beat Ahern's special scenario in a single go, with a couple unconscious companions at the end, and netted himself a retirement home, where he then dropped like 4,000,000 credits getting some extremely high level equipment. He now has the best assault rifle, best omnitool, Garrus has the best Turian armor, best sniper rifle, Shepard, Garrus and Liara each have some very high quality mods, some valuable Quarian armor, and several biotic aps of varying quality, but Liara got the best.

 

They are now very well kitted out, but Shepard is upset because there was not a single light-human armor in the entire set. Has the best of everything EXCEPT the armor. 

 

Then they went to Virmire and Ashley died there. Perseus was highly upset because he was actively flirting with her but Kaidan was next to the bomb and the bomb took priority. We came to wipe out Saren's base, and by beard-lice of Zeus, they were going to do so. 

 

They went back to Shepard's retirement home and he spent a lot more money trying to get some armor, and ended getting the best heavy-human armor, but now has no one who can wear it. 

 

Shepard looked at that armor and cried. Still no light human armor.