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[Natureguy85]

I'm stuck on another decision: whether to help Zaeed kill Vido or to save the refinery workers.  Paragon/Renegade points are a non-issue (thank you, Gibbed), but I'm playing as a Paragade and I'm unsure which is the best course of action.  She's already sacrificed lives before to catch and imprison Balak in ME1 so... I just don't know.  Hmm... *thinks it over*

 

Update:  I let Zaeed kill Vido and it didn't sit right with me.  Sorry, Zaeed.  You're a cool guy and that scene at the end was badass but I'm going back a save.

 

Always Paragon because it's one of the few examples of character development and one of only 2 or 3 "loyalty" missions you can actually see as developing loyalty rather than just clearing a distraction.

 

 

Oh, I must have missed the earlier comments about Thane.  To be fair, there are other squad mates who don't make much sense to be recruited for the Suicide Mission, at least from a story perspective (and not from a technical one).  On one hand, I can "get" why Cerberus had an interest in getting Jack back (and her biotic abilities do come in handy on the SM), but she still could seriously jeopardize the mission at any moment.  Samara's biotic abilities also come in handy, but her Code could cause her to do some serious damage to Cerberus and/or Shepard after the SM.  Kasumi... a master thief... ignoring how her technical skills come in handy on the SM, why do we need a master thief?

 

I guess the one thing Thane doesn't have going for him compared to the others is that he's not a specialist for, well, anything on the Suicide Mission (welp).  But, story wise, there are other equally questionable squad mates on the team *shrugs*

 

Though, I did burst out laughing when I saw this playthrough where someone chose Thane as the biotic specialist 

https://youtu.be/dsdFbkN4ppA?t=5m6s

 

Oh absolutely. Kasumi is the other one who has no reason to be there at all. I saw Jack as Cerberus trying to get her back. Others are at least some sort of skill or combat specialist that might be useful for fighting Collectors.

 

 

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I've always done Legion's mission after the abduction and had all the crew survive, this is the first time I've ever lost part of the crew. Which is why it has come as such a shock.

 

Either you're remembering incorrectly or something is wrong then. What do you do between the Reaper derelict and the abduction?

[iM3GTR]

Oh, I must have missed the earlier comments about Thane. To be fair, there are other squad mates who don't make much sense to be recruited for the Suicide Mission, at least from a story perspective (and not from a technical one). On one hand, I can "get" why Cerberus had an interest in getting Jack back (and her biotic abilities do come in handy on the SM), but she still could seriously jeopardize the mission at any moment. Samara's biotic abilities also come in handy, but her Code could cause her to do some serious damage to Cerberus and/or Shepard after the SM. Kasumi... a master thief... ignoring how her technical skills come in handy on the SM, why do we need a master theif?

Everyone referred to the "Collector Homeworld". Imagine if Shepard went through the Omega-4 relay, and they, a small squad, reached an actual planet full of Collectors?
"Alright guys, uh, we have no idea what to do now so we all wasted our time. None of your skills will actually come in useful. I'll drop you all off at the Citadel. Sorry."

[kalasaurus]

-I took Jack to Pragia and convinced her not to kill Aresh in cold blood before probably killing him anyway with the big ass bomb we set off.
-I broke up the cat fight between Miranda and Jack using the Renegade dialogue this time (basically yelling at them to cut the crap). I think I'll do the same for Tali/Legion. My Shepard has 0 tolerance for that kind of stuff (and I personally find the "confrontations" annoying).

[Vazgen]

Kasumi is a perfect infiltrator. She would've been great for preliminary recon if needed. Not for actual fighting, although she can handle herself.

[kalasaurus]

*Picks Thane as the fire team leader*
Miranda: Well, at least they'll be stealthy.

He has his purpose too!

[Natureguy85]

*Picks Thane as the fire team leader*
Miranda: Well, at least they'll be stealthy.

He has his purpose too!

 

Oh, does he have the power Squad Stealth, like an ammo power?

 

 

Kasumi is a perfect infiltrator. She would've been great for preliminary recon if needed. Not for actual fighting, although she can handle herself.

 

So why not get a spy or scout instead of a thief?

[kalasaurus]

Since we're talking about the Suicide Mission, I should try following Miranda and Jacob's advice on my next play through  .  Let me estimate the damage...

-Jacob suggests we get the IFF right away, screw building the team: either the crew or a lot of the squad kicks the bucket on the Collector Base

-Jacob volunteers to go in the vents: rocket in the face

-Miranda volunteers to lead the first fire team (despite the team's protests): survives

-Miranda volunteers to hold the biotic bubble because "in theory" any biotic can do it: we're now short one squad mate

 

I wonder why Bioware had Miranda and Jacob, the two "main" squad mates, give such bad advice, though.  It would make more sense to punish the player for not following the advice the game gives them.

[Vazgen]

Well, she has a lot of experience with hacking unfamiliar technology due to her line of work - most likely more than any scout or a spy available for hire at the time.

I personally question Thane's choice more. Infiltration is covered by Kasumi and Thane is recruited for his combat prowess, which, however, does not sit well with teamwork due to his profession. He would probably be more efficient when fighting on his own, without teammates.

[kalasaurus]

Zaeed isn't a team player either, and (Paragon) Shepard has to practically beat it out of him.  He's been on his own as a bounty hunter for 20 years and even admits that he's not used to working with others or following orders.  He's effective to hold the line in the end (Zaeed, Garrus and Grunt are the three "stronger" squadmates that increase the survival chances), though.

[Vazgen]

You're right. In fact, most people on the team are not team players. However, I don't think Zaeed's effectiveness suffers as much as Thane's when following orders. I would've hired another merc in Thane's place, ideally a Sentinel A former military would be ideal.

[Natureguy85]

Since we're talking about the Suicide Mission, I should try following Miranda and Jacob's advice on my next play through  .  Let me estimate the damage...

-Jacob suggests we get the IFF right away, screw building the team: either the crew or a lot of the squad kicks the bucket on the Collector Base

-Jacob volunteers to go in the vents: rocket in the face

-Miranda volunteers to lead the first fire team (despite the team's protests): survives

-Miranda volunteers to hold the biotic bubble because "in theory" any biotic can do it: we're now short one squad mate

 

I wonder why Bioware had Miranda and Jacob, the two "main" squad mates, give such bad advice, though.  It would make more sense to punish the player for not following the advice the game gives them.

 

That depends on how you look at it. Jacob offers to go into the vents because it's dangerous, but it is Miranda that says no because he's not qualified for the task at the end. Sending Jacob is going against' Miranda's advice.

 

While it is a bit unfair to the player, and therefore I don't like it, Miranda isn't wrong. Any biotic will create the bubble. The problem is maintaining it and only the two brought specifically for their biotics can do so, and only then if "loyal."

 

 

Well, she has a lot of experience with hacking unfamiliar technology due to her line of work - most likely more than any scout or a spy available for hire at the time.

I personally question Thane's choice more. Infiltration is covered by Kasumi and Thane is recruited for his combat prowess, which, however, does not sit well with teamwork due to his profession. He would probably be more efficient when fighting on his own, without teammates.

 

Where does she hack unfamiliar technology? Her profession requires her to be very familiar with specific kinds of technology, such as when she recognizes the kind of safe Hock has. How is she just as equipped to hack totally alien technology as Tali or Legion?

 

Thane's martial arts prowess is never used and we already have snipers. He serves no purpose.

 

 

Zaeed isn't a team player either, and (Paragon) Shepard has to practically beat it out of him.  He's been on his own as a bounty hunter for 20 years and even admits that he's not used to working with others or following orders.  He's effective to hold the line in the end (Zaeed, Garrus and Grunt are the three "stronger" squadmates that increase the survival chances), though.

 

True, but Zaeed is the baddest ass in the galaxy and will do what he's paid to do. Plus, like I said, the Paragon route in his loyalty mission is what actually secures "loyalty" and character growth, as opposed to killing Vido which just sets his mind at ease. Interestingly, Garrus also has a mission of lethal revenge, but you can let Sidonus go and still secure loyalty.

[Vazgen]

Ok, but we see her hack security room locks, disabling gunship shields, protective measures on the greybox, cameras. That is quite an impressive diversity even if she had experience with each of the systems before. Her dossier also lists her as a skilled hacker. And she has time to familiarize herself with Collector tech before SM.

[kalasaurus]

That depends on how you look at it. Jacob offers to go into the vents because it's dangerous, but it is Miranda that says no because he's not qualified for the task at the end. Sending Jacob is going against' Miranda's advice.

 

While it is a bit unfair to the player, and therefore I don't like it, Miranda isn't wrong. Any biotic will create the bubble. The problem is maintaining it and only the two brought specifically for their biotics can do so, and only then if "loyal."

True, Miranda isn't wrong per se, but it's still bad advice .  All of their advice can still progress the story and it's not an automatic "Game Over"; I just meant that their advice was crappy and should be avoided at all costs.

[themikefest]

True, Miranda isn't wrong per se, but it's still bad advice .  All of their advice can still progress the story and it's not an automatic "Game Over"; I just meant that their advice was crappy and should be avoided at all costs.

All she says is in theory any biotic can do it. Suggesting to Shepard to choose someone who is a biotic. I wouldn't call it bad advice. Samara speaks up about doing it, and if she isn't around Jack with say something similiar. If both are not available, its just Miranda saying the line she says. At that point, who cares who does the barrier since someone is going to be taken by the seeker swarm.

[Natureguy85]

Ok, but we see her hack security room locks, disabling gunship shields, protective measures on the greybox, cameras. That is quite an impressive diversity even if she had experience with each of the systems before. Her dossier also lists her as a skilled hacker. And she has time to familiarize herself with Collector tech before SM.

 

Security and cameras are learned skills, but the shields is just overload, and the graybox was keyed to open for her. That jump onto and off of the gunship are actually the most impressive things she does.

 

 

 

True, Miranda isn't wrong per se, but it's still bad advice .  All of their advice can still progress the story and it's not an automatic "Game Over"; I just meant that their advice was crappy and should be avoided at all costs.

 

It's not bad advice based on what she knows.  It's up to Shepard to select the best for the task.

[Vazgen]

I meant security on the greybox when in the vault. She hacks it to be able to grab the greybox. Gunship hack is more than a simple Overload - it disables the shields permanently which is not the case with simple overload.

[kalasaurus]

It's not bad advice based on what she knows.  It's up to Shepard to select the best for the task.

True, but all of the advice Miranda and Jacob give are based on what they know, and, well, people die.  I'm not blaming Miranda and Jacob so much as making an observation about the advice the game gives the player for the Suicide Mission.  I guess whether or not the advice is "bad" is a matter of debate.

[kalasaurus]

-Now it's time to decide what to do with Jacob's dad.  We just arrived on Aeia.

-Next it's Tali's turn, and then I'll be done with the Loyalty Missions of the squad.

-After finishing Jacob and Tali's Loyalty Missions, I'll probably go straight for the IFF and save most of the side missions/DLC for after the Suicide Mission.

[Natureguy85]

I meant security on the greybox when in the vault. She hacks it to be able to grab the greybox. Gunship hack is more than a simple Overload - it disables the shields permanently which is not the case with simple overload.

 

True, but that's normal technology she is familiar with as a thief. She's studied that and probably practiced plenty.

 

Unless you'd like to explain what's different or what skill was involved, Kasumi disables the shields with something like Overload. Say it's more powerful or say it's "gameplay/story segregation."

 

 

 

True, but all of the advice Miranda and Jacob give are based on what they know, and, well, people die.  I'm not blaming Miranda and Jacob so much as making an observation about the advice the game gives the player for the Suicide Mission.  I guess whether or not the advice is "bad" is a matter of debate.

 

Oh true, but the those comments are not as misleading as the ones about the fire team leader. Miranda supports picking Zaeed or Samara.

 

-Now it's time to decide what to do with Jacob's dad.  We just arrived on Aeia.

-Next it's Tali's turn, and then I'll be done with the Loyalty Missions of the squad.

-After finishing Jacob and Tali's Loyalty Missions, I'll probably go straight for the IFF and save most of the side missions/DLC for after the Suicide Mission.

 

If you want to see Mass Effect 2, and even the series, at it's best, you can't betray her. This is one of the only 2 or 3 "loyalty" missions that actually can be seen as "loyalty."

 

If you expose her father, Tali will just want to leave, but the conversation is different if you don't. Tali's last words are "thank you... Captain." The beginning of the mission demonstrated the significance of that title to a Quarian if you weren't convinced already. It's good if she gets exiled, but it's amazing if she doesn't. When exiled, she is facing Shepard when she says the line.

However, if she isn't exiled, she and Shepard will be facing the front of the room. Shepard will turn and walk away but Tali will not. I interpreted this as Tali saying it quietly, out of Shepard's hearing. It's an internal commitment on her part to Shepard. I love this scene.

[kalasaurus]

I'm pretty happy to see agsii1 made a few new videos for ME3.  Oh, jeez XD

 

[Monica21]

- Ran into Miranda on the Citadel. Well, less "running in to" and more "she emailed me and we met up." Good to see her again. Still trouble with her father, but she seems like she can handle it.

- Kaidan's talking. Gave him whiskey.

- Thane's not doing so great. Not sure why his doctors are prescribing exercise when he can't breathe, but I guess that's why I shoot stuff.

- Aria somehow roped me into getting the support of the merc bands.

- Talked to a female krogan. She's quite interesting.

- Decided to paint my armor white. You know. All hero-like?

- Went to Grissom Academy to save some kids. Met a woman who seems to be an ex-girlfriend of Anderson. Also, Jack is teaching children now? Takes all kinds, I guess. And she made a totally inapproriate comment about Garrus biting me. Also she punched me.

- And David Archer has friends! Good to see him doing better.

- Went after a downed Turian ship with a platoon led by the Primarch's son. Could get interesting.

- Turian platoon is trying to disable a bomb. That they planted. Hundreds of years ago. Clever, but this could bite them in the ass.

- Cerberus is really everywhere. Sheesh.

- Decided I didn't like my armor painted white. So, Back to Black, as great-grandpa would say.

- Helped the Turians disable the bomb. Primarch's son died doing it. This is one of those sacrifices that no one will ever know about.

- Time to cure the genophage

- The Salarian Dalatross wants me to not cure it and lie about it. Not that I don't understand her reasoning, but I think it's time the Krogan got their cure.

- Eve noticed that something was bothering me, so I told her and Wrex about the Dalatross.

- Can't get to the Shroud because of course a Reaper is in the way. Why does it always have to be Reapers?

- Seeing a thresher maw take down a reaper was pretty spectacular.

- I lost Mordin, and I'll blame the Salarians for that.

- The genophage is cured, and Wrex said I was like a sister. That got me a little teary.

- Palavin is getting help from the Krogan, and Earth is getting help from the Turians. This is good. Even the Salarian STG units are offering support, still no official support from the Salarians though. They get it.

- Garrus told me I needed to sleep. Had another nightmare.

- Found out that Udina might be crooked.

- On my way to the Citadel to sort it out.

[fraggle]

Going back to the Citadel was a disaster. First no one answered when we approached, then Thane contacted Joker and told us that the station was overrun with Cerberus. How great.

I went in with Liara and EDI, and we fought off the first Cerberus wave, finding a shot Commander Bailey. Oh, these bastards. Bailey was okay though and he told us more about the situation. We headed out to find the salarian Councilor, fighting through more of the Illusive Man's lap dogs. We found the Councilor, but someone tried to assassinate him. Thane showed up and brought the fight to this as*hole. I couldn't believe it when he stabbed Thane with his weird sword... and then got away.

Sh*t, Thane looks bad. But he told me to go and we chased this ninja dude across the Citadel. Gotta hand it to him though... he's good. Because of him we crash-landed with our shuttle. We fought our way through to the elevators, still trying to catch up with this guy and trying to reach the other Council members. When we got off the elevator I was surprised to see Ash... pointing a gun at me. I did my best to convince her that Udina's a dirty bastard, and luckily she believed me. Udina tried some sh*t though and I pulled the trigger. The Council was safe.

I talked a bit to Bailey before seeing Thane in the hospital. His son was there, and Thane died... Damnit. This Cerberus brat will pay for that. I needed a drink, so I headed to Purgatory, told Joker there to go for EDI and then met up with Kelly... and surprise, Conrad!

Ash waited for me by the Normandy, we talked about what had happened and she asked me if she could join us. I'd like that. It's good to have her back.

We set course to our next destination, and after giving Diana another interview in my cabin, I took some quiet time for myself, got a drink and read my e-mails. Jack had written, saying next time I'm on the Citadel I should come see her. Can't wait for that, I miss her like crazy.

 

Picturrres:

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Slamming fun.

 

Never saw me coming

 

Liara's Awsomelarity

 

Man on fire

 

Got flushed out thanks to grenades. Coverless, but it was actually fun!

 

That Phantom decided to stay in pose

 

Yep, here's my lovely friend

 

Sniping time!

 

Convinced Ash with ease, yay!

 

Prayer with Kolyat. I am not really that fond of Thane, but the hospital scene still is very emotional. I love Shepard's facial expression there.

 

Yeah, he needed that

 

Conrad Verner... saviour of the Shepard

 

Welcome back, Ash!

 

Really? That's all she has to say? Kaidan has a whole dialogue right there... maybe it was bugged, but if not, that's quite sad...

 

 

Oh man, that was not a smooth mission this time. My TV decided to f*ck around, going off and on about 3 times while I played (still managed somewhat), then it was fine, but I died at the Phantoms section. Holy crap, they were annoying this time. Mainly because I probably should've put EDI on Overload One of them closed in on me and I didn't pay attention to it as I thought it would go around the stairs, haha. Nope. It got me, and I even managed to get away from that, just to be shot in the back, it was hilarious. Then the autosave was just where all the Cerberus goons spawn once you jump over, and I died again right there before I could even get away... Fun times!

I passed by Jack at Purgatory, but I didn't want to get their scene right away. I liked the thought of coming back at a later point after having read her e-mail and talk to her then, it looked really funny though. Oh, hey Jack my love, sorry, will only talk with you next time I'm on the Citadel! Please stay put!

[kalasaurus]

I started Tali's loyalty mission.

 

I asked Admiral Zaal'Koris vas Qwib-Qwib about his name 

[Vazgen]

True, but that's normal technology she is familiar with as a thief. She's studied that and probably practiced plenty.

 

Unless you'd like to explain what's different or what skill was involved, Kasumi disables the shields with something like Overload. Say it's more powerful or say it's "gameplay/story segregation."

"Something like Overload" I have no quarrel with. My comment was directed at "just Overload"  

Overall, Collector technology is new to every member of the team. Some will learn it easier than others (Legion) but pretty much all of the members have access to it prior to SM. So they all end up roughly at the same state at the time of the mission. I'll post a separate thread in ME2 forums not to clog this one though

 

And on-topic, here are the videos from the previous adventures of Halona Shepard

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Priority: Tuchanka

Priority: The Citadel II

Arrae: Ex-Cerberus Scientists

Kallini: Ardat-Yakshi Monastery

N7: Cerberus Fighter Base

Priority: Geth Dreadnought

N7: Fuel Reactors

Rannoch: Admiral Koris

Priority: Rannoch

[Natureguy85]

I started Tali's loyalty mission.

 

I asked Admiral Zaal'Koris vas Qwib-Qwib about his name 

 

And then he made penis jokes. I admit I didn't notice on my own, but somebody pointed it out to me. Say the name of a Quarian that serves on the "more impressive" ships he names.

 

 

 

"Something like Overload" I have no quarrel with. My comment was directed at "just Overload"

Overall, Collector technology is new to every member of the team. Some will learn it easier than others (Legion) but pretty much all of the members have access to it prior to SM. So they all end up roughly at the same state at the time of the mission. I'll post a separate thread in ME2 forums not to clog this one though

 

 

So you were just being picky for no reason since the difference doesn't advance your argument in the least bit.