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[IllusiveManJr]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

I hated him and his creepy gayness....

I didn't find Cortez to be creepy. 

Now the gay guy in Bioshock Infinite came across as creepy. He offers you (whom he calls "sailor") a "port in the storm" then goes back to watching this boy play in the playground area. It was a little offensive IMO. 
Or maybe it was his son. I don't know. 

[Exile Isan]

nrobbiec wrote...

You can still romance Kaidan without the whiskey if you're nice to him on Mars.

Ah, didn't know that. Sara is a bit bad tempered and she wasn't in a good mood anyway, with Earth being destroyed, worrying about Garrus (Sara romanced Garrus) and everything. So she was a little snippy with Kaidan in that first conversation when he grills you about Cerberus (poor Kaidan). The second conversation (the one over the dead Cerberus soldier) went much better. I didn't buy him the whiskey either so it was nice that Kaidan didn't flirt with her at all, because they've never had that kind of relationship, they've only ever been friends.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 31 mars 2013 - 05:44 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Gulaman wrote...

He was lame. If he wasn't gay he'd get as much abuse as Allers.

You probably missed the homophobic comments in this thread.

[Battlebloodmage]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Once again we're seeing people accusing other people of being homophobes if they don't like everything that's gay or if they disagree with gay people. : /

Seriously, if he pulled the "depressed pretty girl" card on Miranda I seriously doubt people would be calling him misogynistic.

Calling him "creepy gayness" or saying that he preys on straight guys go beyond disagreement, but that's just me. 

[KENNY4753]

lmfao @ Mad Hanar's sig

[Samtheman63]

i do find him extremely annoying

[Battlebloodmage]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Once again we're seeing people accusing other people of being homophobes if they don't like everything that's gay or if they disagree with gay people. : /

Seriously, if he pulled the "depressed pretty girl" card on Miranda I seriously doubt people would be calling him misogynistic.

Calling him "creepy gayness" or saying that he preys on straight guys go beyond disagreement, but that's just me. 

Is there in-game evidence of Steve constantly flirting with Shepard though? If there is, there could be a solid foundation behind "preying on straight guys." It's hyperbolic to be sure, but Shepard had never shown homosexual preferences before ME3. As for creepy gayness, yeah. Can't really defend that one.

There is absolutely no evidence of Steve flirting with Shepard. I didn't romance him since I find him to be too emotional for my taste, but I haven't encountered a line where he flirts with Shepard. Even during the lock-in scene, it was Shepard who needs to initiate the romance (3 times, I may add). The only M/M flirting comes from Kaidan during the hospital scene, not from Steve. The thing is him being homosexual makes a lot of people more sensitive to his lines, even when most of them have no sexual undertone.

[Wittand25]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Once again we're seeing people accusing other people of being homophobes if they don't like everything that's gay or if they disagree with gay people. : /

Seriously, if he pulled the "depressed pretty girl" card on Miranda I seriously doubt people would be calling him misogynistic.

Calling him "creepy gayness" or saying that he preys on straight guys go beyond disagreement, but that's just me. {smilie}

Is there in-game evidence of Steve constantly flirting with Shepard though? If there is, there could be a solid foundation behind "preying on straight guys." It's hyperbolic to be sure, but Shepard had never shown homosexual preferences before ME3. As for creepy gayness, yeah. Can't really defend that one.

No there is not.
Shepard basically has to jump up and down yelling look at me to start anything with Steve.

But the thread title alone qualifies as being homophobic considering the Mass Effect series brought us characters such as Kelly and Diana. Ok maybe not actual homophobia but someone defiantly seems to think with their little Shepard and not with their head.

Not to say that Steve was not underused in the main game but that is an issue that he shares with many non combat squadmates.

Modifié par Wittand25, 31 mars 2013 - 04:43 .

[Argolas]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The only parallel I can draw with creepy gayness is how people thought Liara was creepy. But, those two character act nothing alike.

Though, my two playthroughs of ME3 were my Femshep so I can't really be sure.

Steve does not try to hit on Shepard at all, I did every possible conversation with him playing maleshep and I was always nice, he still never tried to flirt. I remember that there is a very clear point in the dialogue where you explicetely have to make the first step in order to start a romance. I didn't do that and was totally fine.

Btw., I know it's off topic but is there a way to try to hit on Steve as femshep? I remember going for Traynor with maleshep once just to see what happens, was pretty funny.

[Terraforming2154]

Aw, I liked Steve's personality a lot. I will agree that I thought that he suffered from the Carth-syndrome a little bit (Bioware you need to get away from the love interest with the dead wife/husband thing!), but I also thought he was a really nice, sweet guy.

Argolas, I don't think there is a way for Femshep to flirt with him, like Shep and Traynor. I was nice to him the entire game and they just ended up having a nice friendship.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 31 mars 2013 - 05:10 .

[Teddie Sage]

I personally thought he was the best non-squad member employee of the Normandy along with Kelly Chambers and Samantha Traynor. Funny how opinions are wonderful.

[mtmercydave09]

I personally thought Steve was likable, he was also sensitive and emotional. This contrasted with Vega down in the Shuttle Bay and it worked quite well with their banter.

I honestly didn't even realize he was gay until he mentioned his husband.  I don't think him being gay makes a bit of difference.

Modifié par mtmercydave09, 31 mars 2013 - 05:24 .

[Mimitochan]

IllusiveManJr wrote...

Steve Cortez is entirely unlikable with no redeeming qualities to what small amount of character he has. He was poorly voice acted, had a terrible backstory, and served no purpose beyond another MM interest for Shepard. There isn't an iota of him that is even remotely interesting.

Every time I spoke with him, he was constantly playing the depressed gay guy card which I found to be an uniteresting and not very unique way to introduce a homosexual character. For me, he really brought the story down and I avoided speaking to him after my second Shepard.

Anyone else avoid him for similar reasons?


Note: I do see Steve Cortez as a missed oppurtunity. Bioware had the chance to introduce a relatable character who happened to be gay but it was squandered.

I did feel him as somewhat caricatural on my first PT, but then everybody in ME3 feels that way.
I certainly wouldn't say he's a sorry excuse of a character though and that's not a reason to avoid him.

Only character I avoided in ME3 was Allers.
I hope she vaporized at some point.
She should never have been there in the first place anyway.

[Nejeli]

I thought Steve's voice actor did an amazing job. I definitely hope Bioware keeps using him.

I didn't have a problem romancing Steve. His husband's dying wish was for him to move on, and he'd already decided to do so before he even meets Shepard, even if he hadn't succeeded yet; and it's not like the game takes place over a span of weeks, so there's definitely time-passage. Besides which, no one knows if they'll even survive the war. He was attracted to Shepard, and when Shepard showed interest back he decided to take a chance instead of waiting for a later that might not come. And there was still more time between his husband dying and getting with Shepard than Jaheria and the Bhaalspawn. I could never do her romance because hardly any time had passed between finding her husband's body and the romance starting.

And for those worried~ about Steve constantly hitting on their Shepard, he's not. He's equally caring about a femShep. I'm doing my first femShep runthrough now, which is a Thanemance, and I really love how it's playing out.

[TheProtheans]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...


Well you should be because they need some ridiculous argument in order to justify gay men forcing themselves on others.

Dude.......what the ****?

That is roughly what you posted represents, no need to act shocked.

[Shaleist]

Teddie Sage wrote...

I personally thought he was the best non-squad member employee of the Normandy along with Kelly Chambers and Samantha Traynor. Funny how opinions are wonderful.

By bes do you mean most productive or most likable?  I'd have to say Traynor and Joker get more done... Traynor doe Liara's job for her, and Joker keeps us from getting blown up in space battles.  Likable? Maybe.

[TheProtheans]

Reap_ii wrote...

alleyd wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

I hated him and his creepy gayness....

me thinks thou doth protest too much. Are you overcompensating? Most homophobia has roots in self denial and guilt. 

yeah, maybe he is still in the closet.

By targetting clarkusdarkus with snide posts could in fact be homophobes yourselves.
Either way you're all homphobes.

[HolyAvenger]

TIMjr, I miss your trolling in the MP forum.