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[mtmercydave09]

I don't see how Cortez is the "depressed gay guy" card? I mean, he's depressed because his husband died.

Now the characters that are irrelevant are Diana Allers, Kai Leng, and Starbrat.

[Galbrant]

LegionofRannoch wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

I didn't see a problem with Cortez at all.. He's fine. as he is. Kai Leng, Diana Allers, and Glowboy though there are glaring problems with them.

also thane running into a guy with sword in hand while firing a pistol. some assassin eh?

Oh that's just one of Kai Leng special powers.... He turns everyones IQ in his vicinity into a single digit number.  

[MageTarot]

I guess your post saying the same thing in the "Watching Biotiball with Vega and Cortez" thread didn't give you the attention you craved so you decided to create a whole new thread on the subject?

Troll much?

[Auld Wulf]

@OP

I smell homophobia, here. But that's not what this post is going to be about.

Ultimately, I think you're wrong. I think you're very wrong.

You see, the best way to introduce a gay character is by not tribalising them and making them out to be their own people. Most gays these days would easily pass for a straight guy unless you'd known them long enough to discover otherwise. The Simpsons-esque stereotype of gay people is a small minority, and something people do for fun. It's not actually how people live their lives. Cortez is an everyday guy, and he's an everyday guy with Vega.

To be honest, I found Vega likeable solely because of Cortez. Since Cortez is less over-the-top and macho, and I would have been turned off by Vega. (Later I find that Vega is a hipster and he's being ironically macho whilst actually being strong, which is kind of hilarious and makes me want to ask him questions about things.) Ultimately, Cortez is a very believable character. One thing I'll note though is that he's also a very British character. I'm familiar with that because, you know, I'm British.

British people tend to be less flamboyant and in-your-face. But they still feel and still have passionate opinions, they're just less boisterous and rowdy about it. If you're not accustomed to that (not a worldly person) then you might find that Cortez seems "inhuman" somehow. Add to that perhaps a dash of homophobia, and yeah, it's going to be easy to dislike him.

So there you go. I actually think he's a good guy. And a good representation of the average gay British guy.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Steve was fine. Not my favorite new character (let's face it, that's a pretty competitive category), but he was fine. I found his voice pleasant to listen to and he was acted well.

I had no problem with his story, although I don't really love being the sole voice of counsel for all other characters. But if I'm going to do it for Ashley, Garrus and Liara anyway, I might as well let Steve have an appointment with Dr. Shepard too.

Heck, I liked him enough to tell him he was the best pilot even though it's obviously Joker. >_>

[BronzTrooper]

I'm ok with Cortez as a character and I am very open-minded, but I will never romance him. When I first saw him I had no reason to think he was gay. When he said he lost his husband on Ferris Fields I thought, "Please tell me that he's not going to be a stereotypical gay guy for the rest of the game." But, when I got further into the story he just seemed like a normal guy. He wasn't prancing about in the stereotypical gay style that most people think. If he hadn't mentioned his husband, I would have gone through the whole game thinking he was just a bit more emotional than most guys. I talk to him after pretty much every mission cause I think that he is a good character. I actually prefer him to Traynor or Kelly in ME2. Yes they could have done better, but it doesn't really matter now does it?

And yes, I am a guy.

[IllusiveManJr]

MageTarot wrote...

I guess your post saying the same thing in the "Watching Biotiball with Vega and Cortez" thread didn't give you the attention you craved so you decided to create a whole new thread on the subject?

Troll much?

I don't frequent the SP forums much at all and I made a seperate thread because I didn't want to derail the other thread by continuing to broach the subject.


Sorry for the late response. I didn't expect so many replies so fast and was busy catching up on Off-Topic and in the MP sub-forum.

No, I'm not homophobic. But homosexual.

I'm not high nor have I been smoking anything.

As for him relating to the story, they made him apart of it IMO since he plays a part in the story. He could've been so much more since they added a face behind the shuttle pilot this time around and gave him quite a few lines during mission beginnings.

As far as his romance, it wasn't terrible. But felt very shallow. While the Kaidan coming onto Shepard thing was abrupt, it did feel more "natural" you could say (Sorry, my English is limited) compared to Cortez which felt forced and hallow. To relate it to Traynor's romance since they're both new characters, I felt hers had more depth while Cortez got the short end of the stick or howver that saying goes.

Compared to Diana and trololSpace Ninja Leng, I could definitely understand how some could see them as being worse. I read the ME novels (disregarding Deception) I thought he was expounded upon nicely but ME3 definitely made me dislike him a bunch. Allers was a waste of space but at least she had the reporter spreading news to the galaxy angle to work with. But she definitely ranks as one of the worst and worthless characters in the ME series.

[Eterna]

Jayce F wrote...

Thinly veiled homophobic troll post FTW!!!

Not at all, Illusivemanjr shares my irrational attraction to Jake Gyllenhaal

Modifié par Eterna5, 31 mars 2013 - 03:16 .

[IllusiveManJr]

Eterna5 wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Thinly veiled homophobic troll post FTW!!!

Not at all Illusivemanjr shares my irrational attraction to Jake Gyllenhaal

Hey, there's nothing irrational about it.

[RogueBot]

conjmk wrote...

Yeah he really does suck. But Jacob holds the crown for that title.

Nope, Jacob gets points for cheating on Shep and rustling BSN's jimmies.

[Eterna]

RogueBot wrote...

conjmk wrote...

Yeah he really does suck. But Jacob holds the crown for that title.

Nope, Jacob gets points for cheating on Shep and rustling BSN's jimmies.

Cortez and his gayness rubbed far more jimmies then the 5 BSN users that romanced Jacob.

Social Conservatism and all that. 

Edit: I just realized that I wrote "Rubbed" insead of "Rustled"

I'm going to leave it. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 31 mars 2013 - 03:19 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steve was great.

Now this guy here:

is one of the sorriest excuses I've seen for a character

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 31 mars 2013 - 03:21 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steve was great.

Now this guy here:

is one of the sorriest excuses I've seen for a character

And this guy



And this... thing

http://t3.gstatic.co...5nlZNpujQv6wxbS

And lastly, this

http://t2.gstatic.co...0_RmY8KlfVBsi7w

Not to knock on EDI, but she was much better as a ship computer than Joker's sex toy. Her crap in ME3 is ridiculous.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 31 mars 2013 - 03:28 .

[Bill Casey]

Vega and Cortez are a great pairing...
Love the macho guy and the sensitive guy as BFFs giving eachother ****...

[Wayning_Star]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steve was great.

Now this guy here:

is one of the sorriest excuses I've seen for a character

why do you hate pure energy being children?

[RogueBot]

Eterna5 wrote...


Cortez and his gayness rubbed far more jimmies then the 5 BSN users that romanced Jacob.

Social Conservatism and all that.

Maybe. Almost no one romanced Jacob, but a lot of people seem personally wounded that anyone could reject the great and powerful Shepard. That's a more unique kind of grievance than homophobia, and it's more amusing to me.

[Eterna]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...


And lastly, this

http://t2.gstatic.co...0_RmY8KlfVBsi7w

Not to knock on EDI, but she was much better as a ship computer than Joker's sex toy. Her crap in ME3 is ridiculous.

Gooby pls. No mor talk. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

IllusiveManJr wrote...

As far as his romance, it wasn't terrible. But felt very shallow. While the Kaidan coming onto Shepard thing was abrupt, it did feel more "natural" you could say (Sorry, my English is limited) compared to Cortez which felt forced and hallow. To relate it to Traynor's romance since they're both new characters, I felt hers had more depth while Cortez got the short end of the stick or howver that saying goes.

Compared to Diana and trololSpace Ninja Leng, I could definitely understand how some could see them as being worse. I read the ME novels (disregarding Deception) I thought he was expounded upon nicely but ME3 definitely made me dislike him a bunch. Allers was a waste of space but at least she had the reporter spreading news to the galaxy angle to work with. But she definitely ranks as one of the worst and worthless characters in the ME series.

I don't see how Steve's romance is any more shallow than Sam's. They are both pretty shallow compared to the others. Understandably so, since they only have the frame of a couple of scenes to work with and no previous experiences with Shepard to draw on. At least Steve's didn't start with a cheesy, semi-exploitative shower scene the way Traynor's did.

I don't see how Allers' 'reporter' angle is any better than Steve's 'shuttle pilot' angle, they're both just jobs. Only Allers' job defines her as a character whereas Steve has more going for him.

I think Steve succeeded where Jacob failed in being a sensible, subtle sort of character. The fact that he's the shuttle pilot and not a squadmate helped out in that respect, since it's his job to be behind the scenes rather than the sort of person who gets up in people's faces.

Steve just comes across as a really nice person without seeming like a pushover. He's got that quiet confidence thing going on, which plays well against Vega's... not-so-quiet confidence.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 31 mars 2013 - 03:48 .

[Khelish]

I honestly used to not like Cortez at all.

He grew on me.

[HiddenInWar]

nvm

Modifié par HiddenInWar, 31 mars 2013 - 03:47 .

[alsonamedbort]

It's not even Troll Tuesday! Bonus trollings!

[tevix]

@Aris

Hey, cortez is totally on joker's level. He outpiloted joker's own ship!

....Driven by a crappy pilot...but still! That deserves some credit!

I also loved the back and forth between vega and cortez. I liked to see that people interact without the almighty shepard around to approve conversation.

Finally, I don't hate jacob because he cheated on SHEPARD...I hate him because he cheated...period.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I liked Steve. My femShep watched out for her crew. She may have been kind of a hard ass, but don't mess with her crew.

Shepard: Thane, why did all your bullets miss? I thought you were a good shot?
Thane: They all hit. He had... plot armor.... you'll find out.... on Thessia....

[Reap_ii]

i don't agree with anything in the OP. i liked Steve.