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[ThatDancingTurian]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Garrus would have made a great gay alien LI, if only because hes probably the only one with a truly ambiguous sexuality, not including meta gaming with writers intent in mind.

He's not ambiguous. He tells you a sex story involving a female turian.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 31 mars 2013 - 05:50 .

[EnvyTB075]

tevix wrote...

@Neon

Seriously, that was pretty harsh. Sounds like more gay-hating.

I don't think its entirely innaccurate, if unfair to those who campaigned for it (one of whom a friends of mine), and the implementation wasn't that bad, if a little obvious.

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Garrus
would have made a great gay alien LI, if only because hes probably the
only one with a truly ambiguous sexuality, not including meta gaming
with writers intent in mind.

He's not ambiguous. He tells you a
sex story involving a female turian.

So? He tells a story of one sexual encounter pertaining to the subject of crew preparation which Shepard and Garrus were discussing at the time.

This does not preclude his interest in a male partner on its own.

Battlebloodmage wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Garrus
would have made a great gay alien LI, if only because hes probably the
only one with a truly ambiguous sexuality, not including meta gaming
with writers intent in mind.

Probably wouldn't be possible since
he's too popular. 

Its unfortuneate, but thats likely.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 31 mars 2013 - 05:51 .

[Adoramei]

IllusiveManJr wrote...

I don't remember how it locked in, but there was a lot of hoops to jump through before it happened. So talking to him a lot about his past wouldn't trigger it.

Someone was just terrified of being jumped on because y'know.. a sexuality is all about sex. All the time. e_e

[tevix]

@Envy

If cortez was meant as an empty gay romance option he wouldn't have a story about having lost a husband not long ago.

Kaidan felt like the gay romance option, brought back because people wanted the option and because they found out it was meant to be in ME1.

I don't like the romance with cortez, because he was married not that long ago. That doesn't really speak "Open gay LI right here for ya, just cause you asked".

Besides, kaidan constantly flirst with manshep.

Cortez does not. YOU have to initiate the flirting.

[NeonFlux117]

tevix wrote...

@Neon

Seriously, that was pretty harsh. Sounds like more gay-hating.

Also, I just noticed that in syn's post he/she said "You lost your 'husband'?..."

Why is husband in quotation?

Wiat, don't answer that. I think I know the answer. I don't much care for it.

I don't know what's so Harsh about that. Steve is there just be there. His homesexuality is forced. Example: I did a playthrough where I was male shep and romanced Liara and Steve was still trying to hit on me. It was forced. It was BioWare's way of saying " oh look gay shep's it's a gay pilot that you can be with" And also, steve comes off like wimp. And that in itself should be frustrating for gay shep's. That one of the only romance options is with a guy that's such a wimp and complainer. At least Kaysauce has some edge and toughness, even if he's annoying. 

[Adoramei]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Garrus would have made a great gay alien LI, if only because hes probably the only one with a truly ambiguous sexuality, not including meta gaming with writers intent in mind.

I totally agree. Just like I wish I was able to romance Tali as FemShep. I love being able to play FemShep, but I'm forced to play a MaleShep just so I can do this romance. She's the one I wanted to romance from the very beginning.

Also, I think some people really need to watch this and get some perspective about their views of the gay romances. Sheesh.

Modifié par Adoramei, 31 mars 2013 - 05:54 .

[tevix]

@Neon

So BW puts in a gay romance with a character whos softspoken and easier going, and one with someone whose a little more forward and to the point and you're complaining?

Cortez's relationship feels forced because it IS forced. The man was recently married, he's not really over it. You have to initiate the idea for a relationship. I don't recall getting repeatedly hit on by cortez. Generally you don't start a relationship with someone heartbroken over a recently deceased lover...that's not something that will ever end well.

[EnvyTB075]

tevix wrote...

@Envy

If cortez was meant as an empty gay romance option he wouldn't have a story about having lost a husband not long ago.

Dude i said he was well done, and it shows that his writer did actually put some thought into it validating the campaign for such a relation, but the fact is that it would never have happened if the campaign had not gone ahead and put pressure on BioEA to act upon it.

I'm saying in a sense it was pandering if you're part of the majority straight alpha male (who probably had a female shepard romance Liara on the side), but from the overall perspective, it was done well.

Adoramei wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Garrus
would have made a great gay alien LI, if only because hes probably the
only one with a truly ambiguous sexuality, not including meta gaming
with writers intent in mind.

I totally agree. Just like I
wish I was able to romance Tali as FemShep. I love being able to play
FemShep, but I'm forced to play a MaleShep just so I can do this
romance. She's the one I wanted to romance from the very beginning.

I'm.....sort of on the fence on that one, i personally don't like the standard romance at all, because to me (just making it clear we're being subjective, space waifu/manfus is srs busnss  ) it feels a bit one sided in the sense that many Sheploos look like they're 40 years of age, and Tali seems 20 something (i dunno the actual age) from her mannerisms in my eyes.

As for femshep, she does have that line about sharing suits, so its not impossible.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 31 mars 2013 - 05:57 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

So? He tells a story of one sexual encounter pertaining to the subject of crew preparation which Shepard and Garrus were discussing at the time.

This does not preclude his interest in a male partner on its own.

Oh yeah, I wasn't implying any preclusion. I read 'ambiguous' as an implication that he has no known sexuality, which isn't true since we've already seen a preference for women, I guess I misread what you were saying.

[NeonFlux117]

tevix wrote...

@Neon

So BW puts in a gay romance with a character whos softspoken and easier going, and one with someone whose a little more forward and to the point and you're complaining?

Cortez's relationship feels forced because it IS forced. The man was recently married, he's not really over it. You have to initiate the idea for a relationship. I don't recall getting repeatedly hit on by cortez. Generally you don't start a relationship with someone heartbroken over a recently deceased lover...that's not something that will ever end well.

I'm not complaining at all. If I were going to complain about steve it would be he was there to be a filler for new players. Think of this, if we didn't have steve maybe we could have had an ME2 squadmate return. See, I don't like it cause fromm a character standpoint Steve is a waste of assets. But BioWare wanted to bring in more gamers and appease people, so that's what they did. The same can be said for tryanor and Vega- although James is a great character. But the new characters were just there for new players and acted like filler. That's the only complaint I have against Steve. 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 31 mars 2013 - 06:00 .

[EnvyTB075]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

So? He tells a story of one sexual encounter pertaining to the subject of crew preparation which Shepard and Garrus were discussing at the time.

This does not preclude his interest in a male partner on its own.

Oh yeah, I wasn't implying any preclusion. I read 'ambiguous' as an implication that he has no known sexuality, which isn't true since we've already seen a preference for women, I guess I misread what you were saying.

I'm just saying that it could be ambiguous, especially since (if you're like me) bisexuality can be a bit of a rollercoaster of emotions, and to talk to people as if you're pure straight is the go-to mindset because you don't know how they'll react and it just feels safer.

Put simply, i think he would have worked better as a Bi partner than Kaiden due to the fact that he only goes forward with the femshep relationship because its shepard, not just that shes a woman whose asking for it or that he has a human fetish. So to me, a romance with a Sheploo wouldn't be just because hes a guy and Garrus has a fondness for dicks, but because its Shepard.

I see Shepard as the central pillar around his entire romance arc. He wouldn't date any other human.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I didn't have a problem with him.

[thehomeworld]

I beg to differ I say Vega was the worse. Steve was the glorified limo driver who dies if I don't talk to him about his man.

[tevix]

Garrus is a bit of an enigma, actually.

If you think about it, he's terrible, awkward, and maybe even a little afraid of discussion personal emotions. The romance option has femshep kind of hitting on him out of the blue, and him stumbling over himself trying to figure out what to do.

Even if he was interested, he'd never say it first. He wouldn't even show it. Garrus wears nothing on his sleeve. We know he's honest, loyal, generally honorable.

We never know what he's FEELING, though.

[Battlebloodmage]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

tevix wrote...

@Neon

So BW puts in a gay romance with a character whos softspoken and easier going, and one with someone whose a little more forward and to the point and you're complaining?

Cortez's relationship feels forced because it IS forced. The man was recently married, he's not really over it. You have to initiate the idea for a relationship. I don't recall getting repeatedly hit on by cortez. Generally you don't start a relationship with someone heartbroken over a recently deceased lover...that's not something that will ever end well.

I'm not complaining at all. If I were going to complain about steve it would be he was there to be a filler for new players. Think of this, if we didn't have steve maybe we could have had an ME2 squadmate return. See, I don't like it cause fromm a character standpoint Steve is a waste of assets. But BioWare wanted to bring in more gamers and appease people, so that's what they did. The same can be said for tryanor and Vega- although James is a great character. But the new characters were just there for new players and acted like filler. That's the only complaint I have against Steve. 

Could woulda shoulda. Even if there is no Steve and Samantha, you don't know if they would want to have ME2 members back. Vega fits your complain better since he's an actual squadmates who required combat animations. Steve and Samantha are just NPC, and the amount of cutscenes with them are a lot less than a regular squadmates. Even if you don't like them, you should at least be happy for those who like it. At least, I did for those who had the features they want being implemented in the game. That's a big selfish to say that others shouldn't have their features just because you don't have the feature you want.

[Adoramei]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Adoramei wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Garrus
would have made a great gay alien LI, if only because hes probably the
only one with a truly ambiguous sexuality, not including meta gaming
with writers intent in mind.

I totally agree. Just like I
wish I was able to romance Tali as FemShep. I love being able to play FemShep, but I'm forced to play a MaleShep just so I can do this romance. She's the one I wanted to romance from the very beginning.

I'm.....sort of on the fence on that one, i personally don't like the standard romance at all, because to me (just making it clear we're being subjective, space waifu/manfus is srs busnss  ) it feels a bit one sided in the sense that many Sheploos look like they're 40 years of age, and Tali seems 20 something (i dunno the actual age) from her mannerisms in my eyes.

As for femshep, she does have that line about sharing suits, so its not impossible.

Well, as far as I'm concerened, it's all meant to be because they originally intended for it to happen. (I've watched the videos with the voice acting unlocked for the FemShep/Tali romance.) It is kinda weird how young Tali is, but I tend to think of my Shepards as younger-minded and not worn down by a long, hard life. Although i know Shepard is a few years younger than Kaidan at the start of the game, making him/her about 29 since he's 32. So that's not so bad. Not like Tali's a kid.

But she's .. just.. so fantastic. T_____T (Andhot.)

[NeonFlux117]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

tevix wrote...

@Neon

So BW puts in a gay romance with a character whos softspoken and easier going, and one with someone whose a little more forward and to the point and you're complaining?

Cortez's relationship feels forced because it IS forced. The man was recently married, he's not really over it. You have to initiate the idea for a relationship. I don't recall getting repeatedly hit on by cortez. Generally you don't start a relationship with someone heartbroken over a recently deceased lover...that's not something that will ever end well.

I'm not complaining at all. If I were going to complain about steve it would be he was there to be a filler for new players. Think of this, if we didn't have steve maybe we could have had an ME2 squadmate return. See, I don't like it cause fromm a character standpoint Steve is a waste of assets. But BioWare wanted to bring in more gamers and appease people, so that's what they did. The same can be said for tryanor and Vega- although James is a great character. But the new characters were just there for new players and acted like filler. That's the only complaint I have against Steve. 

Could woulda shoulda. Even if there is no Steve and Samantha, you don't know if they would want to have ME2 members back. Vega fits your complain better since he's an actual squadmates who required combat animations. Steve and Samantha are just NPC, and the amount of cutscenes with them are a lot less than a regular squadmates. Even if you don't like them, you should at least be happy for those who like it. At least, I did for those who had the features they want being implemented in the game. That's a big selfish to say that others shouldn't have their features just because you don't have the feature you want.

haha, I'm a pretty selfish guy so.... Yeah. I don't care about what others feel. I would have traded Liara, Steve, Vega, traynor, Javik and that dumb b!tch allers for one. ONE ME2 character. Except Jacob. No one likes Jacbo. Not even Jacob. 

[andy6915]

I agree about the Tali romance. Made a thread before ME3 came out with that very subject in fact.

http://social.biowar...index/7837471/1

It, uh... Ended up locked. The discussion got a bit heated.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Problem is....I'm not a rapist.

[Adoramei]

NeonFlux117 wrote...
No one likes Jacbo. Not even Jacob. 

Haha. I liked Jacob. He's a decent bro. It was totaly creepy how FemShep leered at him though. They really needed to do a platonic greeting for her. She looked like she wanted to devour his soul. :|

[EnvyTB075]

Adoramei wrote...

Well, as far as I'm concerened, it's all meant to be because they originally intended for it to happen. (I've watched the videos with the voice acting unlocked for the FemShep/Tali romance.) It is kinda weird how young Tali is, but I tend to think of my Shepards as younger-minded and not worn down by a long, hard life. Although i know Shepard is a few years younger than Kaidan at the start of the game, making him/her about 29 since he's 32. So that's not so bad. Not like Tali's a kid.

But she's .. just.. so fantastic. T_____T (Andhot.)

I completely agree, just that all my mansheps end up looking far too old for her....so i never play manshep. An Age slider would've been sick, along with a body tone slider.

tevix wrote...

Garrus is a bit of an enigma, actually.

If
you think about it, he's terrible, awkward, and maybe even a little
afraid of discussion personal emotions. The romance option has femshep
kind of hitting on him out of the blue, and him stumbling over himself
trying to figure out what to do.

Even if he was interested, he'd
never say it first. He wouldn't even show it. Garrus wears nothing on
his sleeve. We know he's honest, loyal, generally honorable.

We never know what he's FEELING, though.

Awkward Garrus is so freaking adorable.....

But yeah, this is also part of why i think he would have been great.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 31 mars 2013 - 06:17 .

[PwrdOff]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

haha, I'm a pretty selfish guy so.... Yeah. I don't care about what others feel. I would have traded Liara, Steve, Vega, traynor, Javik and that dumb b!tch allers for one. ONE ME2 character. Except Jacob. No one likes Jacbo. Not even Jacob. 

If you romance him you get to smack him in the Citadel DLC.  And who wouldn't want that?

[andy6915]

After reading a tiny bit of my Femshep-Tali thread, I'm actually not sure why it was locked. The final page doesn't have a mod posting anywhere on it, and the discussion actually remained fairly levelheaded (for BSN at least).

Hm...

[ThatDancingTurian]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

I see Shepard as the central pillar around his entire romance arc. He wouldn't date any other human.

He's obviously open to xeno sex since he gets together with Tali (however I may dislike the pairing and the way they handled it...). He has four possible flirtations/romantic encounters throughout the series now, all female and two of them are interspecies. Not really enough for a pattern, but I think if he's able to find both Shepard and Tali (who we now know looks ridiculously human under that helmet) attractive, then it's safe to say he might consider other human women down the line. But I'm getting OT.


I can see why people weren't really into Steve's romance arc. For me the problem with his romance wasn't so much the depth, it just seems cruel of them to write him the way they did knowing how they were ending the game. It just makes people who romance him look like jerks for putting him through that again. No offense to people who romance him, I just feel really bad for him.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 31 mars 2013 - 06:18 .

[Adoramei]

We all also need to stop responding so fast while continually editing our posts to consolidate replies. Haha.