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[Ridwan]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

rrtda wrote...

If we sacrifice the asari we will have a fatal shortage of exotic dancers, I can't make that choice!

. Finally a good reason to spare them 

Anyone play citadel? The quarians could do a fine job at that.

Chickenfeet, no thanks.

The blue chicks must live.

You humans are all racist.

As I said. Entire race of Mary Sues, nope. Worst race in history of Sci-Fi.

Get a lap dance from 'em. Then come back and tell me you rather wanna have the Hanar around.

[Goneaviking]

I'd throw the Batarians, Quarians and Hanar under a bus for the Asari.

They're sneaky, adaptable and by gosh they understand the virtues of hypocrisy.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

M25105 wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

rrtda wrote...

If we sacrifice the asari we will have a fatal shortage of exotic dancers, I can't make that choice!

. Finally a good reason to spare them 

Anyone play citadel? The quarians could do a fine job at that.

Chickenfeet, no thanks.

The blue chicks must live.

You humans are all racist.

As I said. Entire race of Mary Sues, nope. Worst race in history of Sci-Fi.

Get a lap dance from 'em. Then come back and tell me you rather wanna have the Hanar around.

Ah yes. Throw wisdom into the Shaker for sex.

We have dismissed that claim.

[HolyAvenger]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
Mary Sues

 

Why doesn't anyone who uses this phrase know what it means?

[Ridwan]

In this thread we have people wanting to sacrifice hot blue alien women, who will still look banging hot after 80 years of marriage to save a bunch of pink jelly fish.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

M25105 wrote...

In this thread we have people wanting to sacrifice hot blue alien women, who will still look banging hot after 80 years of marriage to save a bunch of pink jelly fish.

Almost all you meet in the series are unfriendly arrogant arses. Throw them out the airlock.

And I know pretty well what a Mary Sue is. A "preferred" figure in a novel, gaining all attraction of the figures around it and mastering every problem on a whim. See Liara and 90% of the Asari in the game for examples.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 02 avril 2013 - 01:09 .

[HolyAvenger]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...


And I know pretty well what a Mary Sue is. A "preferred" figure in a novel, gaining all attraction of the figures around it and mastering every problem on a whim. See Liara and 90% of the Asari in the game for examples.

 

Incorrect. Its the insertion of the author into the story as a character.

Now, I find it hard to believe that the asari represent Drew Karpshyn or the ME1 writing team as their avatars into the universe.

[Barquiel]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

In this thread we have people wanting to sacrifice hot blue alien women, who will still look banging hot after 80 years of marriage to save a bunch of pink jelly fish.

Almost all you meet in the series are unfriendly arrogant arses. Throw them out the airlock.

And I know pretty well what a Mary Sue is. A "preferred" figure in a novel, gaining all attraction of the figures around it and mastering every problem on a whim. See Liara and 90% of the Asari in the game for examples.

Either they're "unfriendly arrogant arses" or "Mary Sues". They can't be both, so make up your mind which one you want.

Modifié par Barquiel, 02 avril 2013 - 01:14 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Mary Sue

Is a meaningless meta argument. If anything, the asari being perfect at everything is a reason for saving them over any one other species as they are, by definition, better at any given task.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

HolyAvenger wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...


And I know pretty well what a Mary Sue is. A "preferred" figure in a novel, gaining all attraction of the figures around it and mastering every problem on a whim. See Liara and 90% of the Asari in the game for examples.

 

Incorrect. Its the insertion of the author into the story as a character.

Now, I find it hard to believe that the asari represent Drew Karpshyn or the ME1 writing team as their avatars into the universe.

Looked it up on Wiki, turns out we are both right.

Welp, who could have known.

[Star fury]

Hm, interesting question.

Despite being fanservice girls of ME with beauty, sexuality, ability to sleep with both men and women or with every race, asari still have appeal. Best biotics, mediators, they have justicars and ardat-yakshi.

Thessia mission is one of the best emotionally and plot-wise, except a fight with cereal killer. The desperate fight of asari and their fall is moving.

[Alien Fodder]

I love the Asari despite the fact that they're arrogant (and I'm a woman so I'm not saying this with my lower brain...) and therefore I would definitely save them (unless I had to choose between them and the Turian, in which case my heart would be completely torn).

I don't think arrogance - or any such negative trait - is in and out of itself enough of a motivation to let an entire race get extinct. A lot of people - myself included - saved the Krogan from the Genophage even though most of them are a bunch of barbaric brainless brutes, didn't they?

Modifié par Alien Fodder, 02 avril 2013 - 02:47 .

[Zazzerka]

I don't think arrogance is a racial trait, just quietly.

[Artifex_Imperius]

Just cant bring myself to harm the Asari! there just... perfect hehe... heres a nice quote... quoted from Aris Ravenstar: "Because the asari are a male fantasy. She'll be your wild sex goddess stripper, but when you get tired of that she'll enter the matron stage from the power of your vigorous sex and she'll settle down for you to be a perfect mommy to your perfect asari babies."

[Demonique]

I'd sacrifice the Asari

[Unschuld]

I'd let nearly all of them die. Terrible sacrifice, but unlike most species each Asari is incredibly long lived and only one needs to survive to repopulate the entire species.

[Enhanced]

Are we talking about before or after Liara helps revive Shepard, becomes the Shadow Broker to gain access to invaluble information and resources (such as Glyph) , helps the Alliance recover the Crucible plans, etc? Overall, they are the species that gives the galaxy the best chance to defeat the reapers.

Modifié par Enhanced, 02 avril 2013 - 05:50 .

[Morlanwen]

For the entire galaxy, I'd sacrifice Asari ... or Humans. The sacrifice of billion so trillion could live.

-sorry for my bad english-

[Megaton_Hope]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Incorrect. Its the insertion of the author into the story as a character.

"Mary Sue" actually derives from a particular fan fiction, a sardonic story called "A Trekkie's Tale" -

http://web.archive.o...000/marysue.htm

In the story, a fifteen-year-old half-Vulcan, the youngest Lieutenant in Star Fleet, becomes widely admired by the crew of the Enterprise before sacrificing herself to save the fleet. While the term is generally used to focus on a self-insertion in fan fiction, it can also we seen as describing the wish fulfillment aspects of such characters. Everybody admires and respects them, for example, although they haven't really done much to admire or respect. They easily win love and friendship. They struggle mainly with their own faults, which tend to be endearing.

[PirateMouse]

Morlanwen wrote...

For the entire galaxy, I'd sacrifice Asari ... or Humans. The sacrifice of billion so trillion could live.

-sorry for my bad english-

This.  I'd go pretty bloody far to save the asari, but I wouldn't sacrifice the entire galaxy to save them or even to save humans.

I sabotaged the genophage cure precisely because I refuse to sacrifice the entire rest of the galaxy for just the krogans; I'd be hypocritical to take a different stance with any other species.  Even my own.

[N172]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Ah yes. Throw wisdom into the Shaker for sex.

You mistake religious Fanaticism for wisdom.

[KennyAshes]

Being an outstander at this moment (i'm in 2013 you know) and looking at it from the outside?
I would sacrifice the universe for the Asari. Biologicaly they are the most advanced of all races, being long lived, able to reproduce with basically anything with a mind, being very strong biotics, peaceloving, ...
They have the best chance (in my eyes) to survive of all races.
Maybe out of the Rachni. But i'm not to crazy about hive-minds.

[knightnblu]

Truth be told, I would have sacrificed humanity in order to save the galaxy. The scale of the engagement was enormous. The stakes were higher than any sentient could comprehend entirely and everything hinged upon one person's wisdom and understanding. At that point, nobody was safe if it meant the end of the Reapers. Not even us. The decision to lose a race, any race, compared to what would be gained in victory is most definitely worth it and it is the moral choice as well.

So to answer your question, yes I would have sacrificed the Asari to end the Reapers. You can further complicate that decision with what ifs and versus questions, but in the end you still condemn an entire people to extinction. Toss a coin if it makes you feel better in versus questions, but in the end somebody has to die and it is you that has to kill them.

These are not easy choices, but there are people in real life who have faced similar questions. The only certainty is that no matter what you decide you will take fire for it and your reasoning will be challenged until the end of time. Humanity does love a controversy.

[XI BlackHawx IX]

If Liara commits suicide id sacrifice more than the Asari

[gisle]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
And I know pretty well what a Mary Sue is. A "preferred" figure in a novel, gaining all attraction of the figures around it and mastering every problem on a whim. See Liara and 90% of the Asari in the game for examples.

What about the humans? They're new, but act like they've been around for millenia, they are let do a lot others can't even dream about after centuiries or millenia. I thought the newcomers' struggles that ME1 had was kinda interesting, but come ME3 and it just doesn't mane sense. Point being, if the asari is your definition of Sue, then even worse so is the human species. Oh, and the human species has the focus in most of ME3, and contrived so, even.

A Gary Stu / Mary Sue has no noteworthly flaws, overcome all problems by him/herself. There are no characters in ME that can really be called a Mary Sue, since character writing is what BW is really good at. Also, characters who end up having a decent fanbase tend not to be Sues, since they're really boring characters in serious fiction.

Another mentioned self-insertion, and they're right. They, direct or as proxy, are likely to be "Sues"

I stand my decision to not make such a decision in this thread as it trivializes genocide (yup, each asari is an individual the same way a human is. Same with krogan, volus, batarian, hanar, et cetera) without giving a damn good reason for why such a choice could have to be taken, other than meta opinions.

And we have not gotten any real isnight into any species' societies (you know, the civvies), not even our own species for god's sake, so stop acting like you have and know everything about them. Let alone, don't blame every mother, every child, every civilian, every soldier, for the actions of the secretive elite.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 05 avril 2013 - 04:45 .