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[jacob taylor416]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

BNN999 wrote...

The asari are far from perfect, behind that veneer they've constructed they're nothing more than self-serving cowards. Despite their place as the leading power in the galaxy they spend most of the war hanging back watching the other races get bloodied while doing nothing to help, and it comes back to bite them on Thessia. Even the volus have more fight in them than that.

What about tiptree? asari saving a human colony early in the game? asari died saving humans? or did you just look blindly past that?

Touchy subject, alot like taxes; did they help in the war effort? of course.  Seeing how strong they are, cold they have done more? yes, compared to their total strength they did nothing.  I can't help but think the species with the strongest economy and ships (not total navy, just technologically), are only running extractions on a few colonies. Personally, I don't hold too much against them in terms of what they did for the war, rather what ticks me off about them is their position during peace time.  

They are the species who have set the backbone for the council government and who run it (yes there's a council, but how many times have you seen a "democracy" actually be ruled by one or two people/parties).  I find it convenient that the species who have the biggest economy also make the laws restricting labor also that whole Prothean beacon thing is pretty big but nothing that is worth condemning them for.  Just too much power for one species to hold, I think.

Modifié par jacob taylor416, 06 avril 2013 - 05:17 .

[Xilizhra]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Neither can the Leviathans. No one entity should, in my opinion. I think it's bad enough that there's a galactic government which even thinks it has the right to appoint agents with unlimited power.

That the Council thinks it has the right to do that, tells us they claim the right to do whatever they want to anyone in their jurisdiction - as we have seen time and time again.

Yes, and it's rather telling that the Alliance's only thought for this is "how do we get in on this?" Though the galaxy might have been in far worse trouble several times, not least in the buildup to the Reaper war, without Spectres.

I wish we could be more vocally critical of the Alliance. We could, in the first two titles. Then we got AutoShep, and all that came with him.

When could you be critical of the Alliance in the first game?

But yes, I do wish Shepard was a somewhat more independent operative, or reporting directly to the Council like in ME1.

[KainD]

Asari are billions of different people, everyone with their own different persona that you can't generalize. You can't generalize ANY species, all you see is the political image, and asari have a crappy government. It's like if Udina for example was part of the council and did crap for say 30 years, and then the rest of the galaxy would perceive all of his actions as actions of humanity and generalize all the humans based on that.

Other than that Asari are the the most superior species in the galaxy from a biological stand point.

Modifié par KainD, 06 avril 2013 - 05:21 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

When could you be critical of the Alliance in the first game?

But yes, I do wish Shepard was a somewhat more independent operative, or reporting directly to the Council like in ME1.

Most of it was in talking to Kaidan about Jump Zero. Deliberate eezo exposures, and the like. Shepard could merc out to the Shadow Broker, tell off Admiral Mikhailovich, even talk back to Hackett. I suppose it was too much variation to account for - you couldn't be anything but an Alliance lapdog in ME3. Not on Cerberus' side, not a rogue who pissed off the Alliance, the Council, AND the Illusive Man.

Click your heels and salute the garbled terminal, Shepard. Hackett's sending you to Mars.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 06 avril 2013 - 05:22 .

[Xilizhra]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

When could you be critical of the Alliance in the first game?

But yes, I do wish Shepard was a somewhat more independent operative, or reporting directly to the Council like in ME1.

Most of it was in talking to Kaidan about Jump Zero. Deliberate eezo exposures, and the like. Shepard could merc out to the Shadow Broker, tell off Admiral Mikhailovich, even talk back to Hackett. I suppose it was too much variation to account for - you couldn't be anything but an Alliance lapdog in ME3. Not on Cerberus' side, not a rogue who pissed off the Alliance, the Council, AND the Illusive Man.

Click your heels and salute the garbled terminal, Shepard. Hackett's sending you to Mars.

Well, I can understand why it'd be sort of stupid to play a loose cannon when the galaxy is falling down around everyone's ears.

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

When could you be critical of the Alliance in the first game?

But yes, I do wish Shepard was a somewhat more independent operative, or reporting directly to the Council like in ME1.

Most of it was in talking to Kaidan about Jump Zero. Deliberate eezo exposures, and the like. Shepard could merc out to the Shadow Broker, tell off Admiral Mikhailovich, even talk back to Hackett. I suppose it was too much variation to account for - you couldn't be anything but an Alliance lapdog in ME3. Not on Cerberus' side, not a rogue who pissed off the Alliance, the Council, AND the Illusive Man.

Click your heels and salute the garbled terminal, Shepard. Hackett's sending you to Mars.

Well, I can understand why it'd be sort of stupid to play a loose cannon when the galaxy is falling down around everyone's ears.

I played JayneShep to be stupid.

[KainD]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
I played JayneShep to be stupid.

Truth is, you don't really have too much choice in the matter, Shepard is written as a not very bright person. 

[Astartes Marine]

Asari<Turians
Asari<Humans
Asari<Quarians
Asari<Geth
Asari<Krogan
Asari<Salarians
Asari<Batarians
Asari<Volus
Asari<Elcor
Asari<Hanar
Asari<Pyjaks

Pretty much how I see them, generic and bland compared to the rest.  If I could sacrifice them to save everyone else including the Geth?  In a freaking heartbeat. 

[DeinonSlayer]

KainD wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
I played JayneShep to be stupid.

Truth is, you don't really have too much choice in the matter, Shepard is written as a not very bright person. 

Ugh, don't get me started.

I have to make copious use of the spacebar to get through some of it.

[Sibu]

I save the Batarians, Krogans and Turians before the Asari: beside their dreadnoughs, they really lack any competent fighting force, their comandos get their **** beaten out of them by Marauders, ****ing Marauders.

But... if i have to choose between Salarians and Asari. The blue ladies might be terrible ground forces but they at least have natural biotics.

[Xilizhra]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Asari<Turians
Asari<Humans
Asari<Quarians
Asari<Geth
Asari<Krogan
Asari<Salarians
Asari<Batarians
Asari<Volus
Asari<Elcor
Asari<Hanar
Asari<Pyjaks

Pretty much how I see them, generic and bland compared to the rest.  If I could sacrifice them to save everyone else including the Geth?  In a freaking heartbeat. 

Someone with your username is complaining about that which is allegedly generic and bland?

[Astartes Marine]

Xilizhra wrote...
Someone with your username is complaining about that which is allegedly generic and bland?

We have nothing to discuss.

[Xilizhra]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Someone with your username is complaining about that which is allegedly generic and bland?

We have nothing to discuss.

Indeed. I suggest you go find something. I, in the meantime, will be snickering at Kalder Draigo's change of master.

[Argolas]

I find it questionable how many people would leave the world in the hands of militaristic leaders even after the war. The Turians and Krogan could end up bad enough, the Salarians unchecked are a significant threat as well, but even preferring the Batarians over the Asari?

I insist that a powerful race that is focused on non-violent solutions will be needed after the war. There will be lots of extremist groups out there who have nothing to lose and could provoke a war.

[Xilizhra]

Argolas wrote...

I find it questionable how many people would leave the world in the hands of militaristic leaders even after the war. The Turians and Krogan could end up bad enough, the Salarians unchecked are a significant threat as well, but even preferring the Batarians over the Asari?

I insist that a powerful race that is focused on non-violent solutions will be needed after the war. There will be lots of extremist groups out there who have nothing to lose and could provoke a war.

Again, certain demographics simply hate feminine traits and don't want to see any in galactic leaders. Silly as that may be.

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

Argolas wrote...

I find it questionable how many people would leave the world in the hands of militaristic leaders even after the war. The Turians and Krogan could end up bad enough, the Salarians unchecked are a significant threat as well, but even preferring the Batarians over the Asari?

I insist that a powerful race that is focused on non-violent solutions will be needed after the war. There will be lots of extremist groups out there who have nothing to lose and could provoke a war.

Again, certain demographics simply hate feminine traits and don't want to see any in galactic leaders. Silly as that may be.

That's not it, at least speaking for myself. I think Aris put it best a while back:

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

They were written to be a fantasy, not a species, created by straight men to be better women than women. I am insulted by their very existence.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 06 avril 2013 - 06:14 .

[Xilizhra]

They were written to be a fantasy, not a species, created by straight men to be better women than women. I am insulted by their very existence.

That's irrelevant to their in-universe character, or the welfare of individual members of the species, if it's even true. As a woman, I'm not insulted by their presence in the slightest.

[Astartes Marine]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
That's not it, at least speaking for myself. I think Aris put it best a while back:

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
They were written to be a fantasy, not a species, created by straight men to be better women than women. I am insulted by their very existence.

An entire race of Mary Sues, you know if I didn't know any better I'd say they were the shat out abominations of Matt Ward.  They're even blue.

But yeah, I pretty much agree with Aris on that. 

[Argolas]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
That's not it, at least speaking for myself. I think Aris put it best a while back:

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

They were written to be a fantasy, not a species, created by straight men to be better women than women. I am insulted by their very existence.

How are Asari better than women?

[Xilizhra]

Astartes Marine wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
That's not it, at least speaking for myself. I think Aris put it best a while back:

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
They were written to be a fantasy, not a species, created by straight men to be better women than women. I am insulted by their very existence.

An entire race of Mary Sues, you know if I didn't know any better I'd say they were the shat out abominations of Matt Ward.  They're even blue.

But yeah, I pretty much agree with Aris on that. 

If you think that asari as a species are universally better than human women, you have extremely low standards for human women.

How are Asari better than women?

Asari are women, so it doesn't even make sense.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 06 avril 2013 - 06:20 .

[KainD]

Argolas wrote...

How are Asari better than women?

Biologically. But not just women, humans in general. 

[KainD]

Xilizhra wrote...

Asari are women, so it doesn't even make sense.

I am not going to argue just for the sake of it, and maybe you will help me deliver this idea better in the future but:

Asari are an all female race, which is different from "women" as it is a human social construct, one I believe the asari are free from, seeing as they have no gender norms. 

[Astartes Marine]

Xilizhra wrote...
If you think that asari as a species are universally better than human women, you have extremely low standards for human women.

Quite the contrary, I have alot of respect for human women.  It just seems that the writers or some group in BioWare wanted to one-up the female gender.  1000+ year life spans, universally loved for their beauty, the go-to group for diplomats, the most powerful biotics, and they're the most common sight in..."gentlemen's clubs" like Chora's Den.
It's like whoever designed them wanted them to be "perfect" for male and even some female audiences. 

I don't much like pandering, nor do I like Mary Sues. 

[Argolas]

KainD wrote...

Argolas wrote...

How are Asari better than women?

Biologically. But not just women, humans in general. 

Liara disagrees.

[Sibu]

I wonder why every single fu... darn thread that involves the Asari ends in a fu.... ugly gender discussion