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[Xilizhra]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
If you think that asari as a species are universally better than human women, you have extremely low standards for human women.

Quite the contrary, I have alot of respect for human women.  It just seems that the writers or some group in BioWare wanted to one-up the female gender.  1000+ year life spans, universally loved for their beauty, the go-to group for diplomats, the most powerful biotics, and they're the most common sight in..."gentlemen's clubs" like Chora's Den.
It's like whoever designed them wanted them to be "perfect" for male and even some female audiences. 

I don't much like pandering, nor do I like Mary Sues. 

Again, your username, but that aside, I don't see why this needs to be a competition between asari and humans, since human women are never actually shown unfavorably in comparison to asari (unless it happens in a Maleshep playthrough with romances somehow, which may count as pandering, but it's not something I need to worry about). In any case, the asari lack a trait that these supposed pandering targets would probably want, namely the ability to produce children that look like the male.

[KainD]

Argolas wrote...

KainD wrote...

Argolas wrote...

How are Asari better than women?

Biologically. But not just women, humans in general. 

Liara disagrees.

Well Morinth disagrees with Liara. 

[Artifex_Imperius]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Asari<Turians
Asari<Humans
Asari<Quarians
Asari<Geth
Asari<Krogan
Asari<Salarians
Asari<Batarians
Asari<Volus
Asari<Elcor
Asari<Hanar
Asari<Pyjaks

Pretty much how I see them, generic and bland compared to the rest.  If I could sacrifice them to save everyone else including the Geth?  In a freaking heartbeat. 

Lets Talk

Turian > Asari ? Wtf are you talking about
Expand First Contact War
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14591192/2
Suprisingly Turians had a communicator. yet they chose to continue the violence of action?

Citadel Archives: turians were able to communicate? words of choice for first contact; amazingly trading insult.

Human > Asari ? are you kiding me?
youtu.be/fPCmjufGj2c
Tsk 2x humans the future seems bleek? shh we dont know if they are geth infiltrators! please read through first contact to see how intellegent the humans are.

Quarians> Asari ?
thank you for making the geth angry at every organic.

Case in point the war has gone nothing to do with it at all?

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 06 avril 2013 - 06:37 .

[KainD]

Sibu wrote...

I wonder why every single fu... darn thread that involves the Asari ends in a fu.... ugly gender discussion

Because Asari don't have a gender, and it confuses people. 

[Xilizhra]

KainD wrote...

Sibu wrote...

I wonder why every single fu... darn thread that involves the Asari ends in a fu.... ugly gender discussion

Because Asari don't have a gender, and it confuses people. 

GORRAMIT. Asari do have a gender, they just have one. They're monogendered, not no-gendered.

[KainD]

Xilizhra wrote...

GORRAMIT. Asari do have a gender, they just have one. They're monogendered, not no-gendered.

English isn't my first langueage and I am using direct translation but - Asari have a SEX which is different from GENDER which they don't have. Gender is a SOCIAL construct, where's SEX is a biological one. Makes sense? 
I don't know if it's the same in english...

Modifié par KainD, 06 avril 2013 - 06:40 .

[Astartes Marine]

Xilizhra wrote...
Again, your username

Nothing wrong with my username.  There are thousands of Space Marine chapters all with their own quirks, ideals, morals and so on. 

Looking back, there actually was one Asari that I found to be...different despite her fanservice outfit.  A certain Justicar.  I found her quite interesting to be honest.

[Sibu]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Asari<Turians
Asari<Humans
Asari<Quarians
Asari<Geth
Asari<Krogan
Asari<Salarians
Asari<Batarians
Asari<Volus
Asari<Elcor
Asari<Hanar
Asari<Pyjaks

Pretty much how I see them, generic and bland compared to the rest.  If I could sacrifice them to save everyone else including the Geth?  In a freaking heartbeat. 

Lets Talk

Turian > Asari ? Wtf are you talking about
Expand First Contact War
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14591192/2
Suprisingly Turians had a communicator. yet they chose to continue the violence of action?

Citadel Archives: turians were able to communicate? words of choice for first contact; amazingly trading insult.

Human > Asari ? are you kiding me?
youtu.be/fPCmjufGj2c
Tsk 2x humans the future seems bleek? shh we dont know if they are geth infiltrators!

Quarians> Asari ?
thank you for making the geth angry at every organic.

Case in point the war has gone nothing to do with it at all?

Irrelevant, if i have to choose between a warrior kind that can blow up planets with bombs or a species whose only relevance in combat is their biotics and a big space ships to face an enemy that can destroy all the life in the galaxy... you can bet your sorry assets i will choose the one that i know can fire a gun without pissing his pants.

Besides, when Thessia got invaded their planet got captured to ****ing fast... meanwhile with the Turians: Miracle At Palaven.

[Xilizhra]

KainD wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

GORRAMIT. Asari do have a gender, they just have one. They're monogendered, not no-gendered.

English isn't my first langueage and I am using direct translation but - Asari have a SEX which is different from GENDER which they don't have. Gender is a SOCIAL construct, where's SEX is a biological one. Makes sense? 
I don't know if it's the same in english...

Gender is in part a social construct, but it's also a mental and, ultimately, physiological one in its own way. People do have inherent gender identities (mostly; some don't have any single one, but they're rare), though these don't always match physical sex.

Besides, when Thessia got invaded their planet got captured to ****ing fast... meanwhile with the Turians: Miracle At Palaven.

Thessia and Palaven are both in a state of occupation. The reason you don't hear many stories from Thessia is that, by the time the Reapers do invade, the war is almost over.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 06 avril 2013 - 06:44 .

[HiddenInWar]

All the rich lore, religiosity, culture, political systems...no, i would not sacrifice it.

Modifié par HiddenInWar, 06 avril 2013 - 06:53 .

[Sibu]

Xilizhra wrote...

KainD wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

GORRAMIT. Asari do have a gender, they just have one. They're monogendered, not no-gendered.

English isn't my first langueage and I am using direct translation but - Asari have a SEX which is different from GENDER which they don't have. Gender is a SOCIAL construct, where's SEX is a biological one. Makes sense? 
I don't know if it's the same in english...

Gender is in part a social construct, but it's also a mental and, ultimately, physiological one in its own way. People do have inherent gender identities (mostly; some don't have any single one, but they're rare), though these don't always match physical sex.

Besides, when Thessia got invaded their planet got captured to ****ing fast... meanwhile with the Turians: Miracle At Palaven.

Thessia and Palaven are both in a state of occupation. The reason you don't hear many stories from Thessia is that, by the time the Reapers do invade, the war is almost over.

Wait a ****ing minute...

You are telling me that the Asari were fighting agaisn't the left over forces of the Reapers in the Milky Way that were not ocupied trying to stop the allied attack on Earth or the rebel force of Palaven... and they still got their asses handed to them?!

[KainD]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gender is in part a social construct, but it's also a mental and, ultimately, physiological one in its own way. People do have inherent gender identities (mostly; some don't have any single one, but they're rare), though these don't always match physical sex.

Then asari are anything but mono-gendered. Asari can behave masculine ( be "men" ) or behave feminine ( be "women" ) or something in between by human gender norms. Just that they have the luxury of their sex always matching their identity, they shouldn't have any gender like norms as a species that only has one sex. I think.. 

Modifié par KainD, 06 avril 2013 - 06:52 .

[Xilizhra]

Wait a ****ing minute...

You are telling me that the Asari were fighting agaisn't the left over forces of the Reapers in the Milky Way that were not ocupied trying to stop the allied attack on Earth or the rebel force of Palaven... and they still got their asses handed to them?!

The asari weren't defeated any worse than the humans or turians, and the Reapers have been mopping up everywhere in the galaxy at once.

Then asari are anything but mono-gendered. Asari can behave masculine ( be "men" ) or behave feminine ( be "women" ) or something in between by human gender norms. Just that they have the luxury of their sex always matching their identity, they shouldn't have any gender like norms as a species that only has one sex. I think..

Gender identity and behavior aren't the same thing. It's entirely possible for someone who identifies as a woman to be masculine in behavior, for instance.

[KainD]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gender identity and behavior aren't the same thing. It's entirely possible for someone who identifies as a woman to be masculine in behavior, for instance.

I don't think I can comprehend..
I understand only physical sex and gender, where's physical sex is about ones body and gender is about ones mind set.
"Woman" for me is a term that is made of 2 parts - female sex and feminine gender, and one can identify themselves as that. I don't know 1 word that would describe - female sex and masculine gender however. 
Must be langueage problems again lol. 

[Xilizhra]

KainD wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Gender identity and behavior aren't the same thing. It's entirely possible for someone who identifies as a woman to be masculine in behavior, for instance.

I don't think I can comprehend..
I understand only physical sex and gender, where's physical sex is about ones body and gender is about ones mind set.
"Woman" for me is a term that is made of 2 parts - female sex and feminine gender, and one can identify themselves as that. I don't know 1 word that would describe - female sex and masculine gender however. 
Must be langueage problems again lol. 

Female sex and male gender identity would be FtM transsexual. However, all asari possess a female sex and female gender identity; neither one, of course, actually dictates their behavior.

[Sibu]

Xilizhra wrote...

Wait a ****ing minute...

You are telling me that the Asari were fighting agaisn't the left over forces of the Reapers in the Milky Way that were not ocupied trying to stop the allied attack on Earth or the rebel force of Palaven... and they still got their asses handed to them?!

The asari weren't defeated any worse than the humans or turians, and the Reapers have been mopping up everywhere in the galaxy at once.

Then asari are anything but mono-gendered. Asari can behave masculine ( be "men" ) or behave feminine ( be "women" ) or something in between by human gender norms. Just that they have the luxury of their sex always matching their identity, they shouldn't have any gender like norms as a species that only has one sex. I think..

Gender identity and behavior aren't the same thing. It's entirely possible for someone who identifies as a woman to be masculine in behavior, for instance.

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

The Asari?... in one day, by a small number of enemy forces and they were unable to make a little more competent defense?

C'mon! Turians had so much Reapers in their planet an entire ****ing hemisphere was completly on fire (hell Eart had only stains of big fires in Africa and smaller ones in the northern hemisphere) and they were still fighting.

I hold to my choice, if i have to save any military competent species over the Asari i will do it... and then hit the bar and get depresed becuase i just damned them to extinction. Maybe after getting really drunk i will get over it (nope, i won't).

[KainD]

Xilizhra wrote...

Female sex and male gender identity would be FtM transsexual. However, all asari possess a female sex and female gender identity; neither one, of course, actually dictates their behavior.

What does it MEAN to be a female then? How do you identify it? 

[Argolas]

KainD wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Female sex and male gender identity would be FtM transsexual. However, all asari possess a female sex and female gender identity; neither one, of course, actually dictates their behavior.

What does it MEAN to be a female then? How do you identify it? 

Well, I guess there is no gender identity for Asari, but a human can associate their cultural identity with aspects that they would call "female". Like that maybe?

From an Asari perspective, they have no gender. From a human perspective, they are female.

[Xilizhra]

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

Er, there's no evidence that the asari would hold out for a shorter amount of time than the turians.

[KainD]

Argolas wrote...

From an Asari perspective, they have no gender. From a human perspective, they are female.

Crap! I am an asari! 

[Argolas]

KainD wrote...

Argolas wrote...

From an Asari perspective, they have no gender. From a human perspective, they are female.

Crap! I am an asari! 

Wait, what? I said from a human perspective, Asari are female, not females are Asari.

[Sibu]

Xilizhra wrote...

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

Er, there's no evidence that the asari would hold out for a shorter amount of time than the turians.

Thessia falls with the left over of the Reapers in ONE DAY (like ****ing Earth... oh wait, Earth was the target of the main Reaper Fleet)... Palaven stood for the entire war and manage to destroy many Reapers in a brilliant, if inmoral to my standars, stategy.

Sorry, but your pro asari argument sounds a lot like a straw man lost in a farm

Modifié par Sibu, 06 avril 2013 - 07:19 .

[KainD]

Argolas wrote...

KainD wrote...

Argolas wrote...

From an Asari perspective, they have no gender. From a human perspective, they are female.

Crap! I am an asari! 

Wait, what? I said from a human perspective, Asari are female, not females are Asari.

No, I mean I have an asari perspective, I think that they have no gender, so I don't share the human perspective. 

[Argolas]

KainD wrote...

Argolas wrote...

KainD wrote...

Argolas wrote...

From an Asari perspective, they have no gender. From a human perspective, they are female.

Crap! I am an asari! 

Wait, what? I said from a human perspective, Asari are female, not females are Asari.

No, I mean I have an asari perspective, I think that they have no gender, so I don't share the human perspective. 

Socially maybe (I didn't mean that), but biologically you pretty much have to consider Asari female. Their whole body is female, their voices sound female, they can have children....

[KainD]

Argolas wrote...

Socially maybe (I didn't mean that), but biologically you pretty much have to consider Asari female. Their whole body is female, their voices sound female, they can have children....

Yes but female is not a gender, female is a sex. 

Edit: This is where it started: 

Xilizhra wrote...

KainD wrote...

Sibu wrote...

I wonder why every single fu... darn thread that involves the Asari ends in a fu.... ugly gender discussion

Because Asari don't have a gender, and it confuses people. 

GORRAMIT. Asari do have a gender, they just have one. They're monogendered, not no-gendered.

Modifié par KainD, 06 avril 2013 - 07:27 .