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[Argolas]

KainD wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Socially maybe (I didn't mean that), but biologically you pretty much have to consider Asari female. Their whole body is female, their voices sound female, they can have children....

Yes but female is not a gender, female is a sex. 

Edit: This is where it started: 

Xilizhra wrote...

KainD wrote...

Sibu wrote...

I wonder why every single fu... darn thread that involves the Asari ends in a fu.... ugly gender discussion

Because Asari don't have a gender, and it confuses people. 

GORRAMIT. Asari do have a gender, they just have one. They're monogendered, not no-gendered.

Careless use of terms, my bad

[Xilizhra]

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

Er, there's no evidence that the asari would hold out for a shorter amount of time than the turians.

Thessia falls with the left over of the Reapers in ONE DAY (like ****ing Earth... oh wait, Earth was the target of the main Reaper Fleet)... Palaven stood for the entire war and manage to destroy many Reapers in a brilliant, if inmoral to my standars, stategy.

Sorry, but your pro asari argument sounds a lot like a straw man lost in a farm

Earth was not the target of the whole fleet at once; that was Khar'shan. After going through Kite's Nest, the fleet scattered to start attacking other parts of the galaxy. Earth didn't become a central hub for the Reapers until the final battle itself.

Also, Palaven, remember, is the single most militarized planet in the galaxy.

[Steelcan]

"By all reports, it faces the brunt of the attack"

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

"By all reports, it faces the brunt of the attack"

All that requires is for a plurality of the fleet to be attacking it, which could be as low as 20% if the rest was scattered widely enough. Perhaps lower.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

"By all reports, it faces the brunt of the attack"

All that requires is for a plurality of the fleet to be attacking it, which could be as low as 20% if the rest was scattered widely enough. Perhaps lower.

. It still means that there are more Reapers at Earth than any other planet.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

"By all reports, it faces the brunt of the attack"

All that requires is for a plurality of the fleet to be attacking it, which could be as low as 20% if the rest was scattered widely enough. Perhaps lower.

. It still means that there are more Reapers at Earth than any other planet.

At that moment, but with the fleet starting to converge near the end of the game, there's no reason to assume that Earth's attack had more Reapers than Thessia's attack did.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

"By all reports, it faces the brunt of the attack"

All that requires is for a plurality of the fleet to be attacking it, which could be as low as 20% if the rest was scattered widely enough. Perhaps lower.

. It still means that there are more Reapers at Earth than any other planet.

At that moment, but with the fleet starting to converge near the end of the game, there's no reason to assume that Earth's attack had more Reapers than Thessia's attack did.

. And there's no reason to believe that Thessia's had more.

[Steelcan]

Honestly this whole debate can be settled by the Reapers and what order the attacked the galaxy. First was the batarians because if proximity, then the Humans and Turians..... Yet they waited for a while before they attacked the Asari. Kind of clues you in to who they viewed as a threat.

[Xilizhra]

Honestly this whole debate can be settled by the Reapers and what order the attacked the galaxy. First was the batarians because if proximity, then the Humans and Turians..... Yet they waited for a while before they attacked the Asari. Kind of clues you in to who they viewed as a threat.

Humans were the best candidates genetically for a new capital ship, they weren't the greatest threat. Also, the krogan and quarians only got one destroyer each to deal with them, and the salarians were never touched at all. Yet... the volus and elcor got full fleets to crush them, which strikes me as very odd. In fact, I really don't get the Reapers' battle plans; maybe they hit weak spots in various defenses before moving in on the important sites, and Palaven just didn't have many other defenses between it and Earth or wherever.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Honestly this whole debate can be settled by the Reapers and what order the attacked the galaxy. First was the batarians because if proximity, then the Humans and Turians..... Yet they waited for a while before they attacked the Asari. Kind of clues you in to who they viewed as a threat.

Humans were the best candidates genetically for a new capital ship, they weren't the greatest threat. Also, the krogan and quarians only got one destroyer each to deal with them, and the salarians were never touched at all. Yet... the volus and elcor got full fleets to crush them, which strikes me as very odd. In fact, I really don't get the Reapers' battle plans; maybe they hit weak spots in various defenses before moving in on the important sites, and Palaven just didn't have many other defenses between it and Earth or wherever.

. We can see in the EC that Tuchanka has plenty of Reaprs on it.  There was just one Reaper near the shroud, we are never clued into how many others are on the planet.  As for Rannoch, they had the entire geth fleet under control, why would they need more than one Reaper?

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Honestly this whole debate can be settled by the Reapers and what order the attacked the galaxy. First was the batarians because if proximity, then the Humans and Turians..... Yet they waited for a while before they attacked the Asari. Kind of clues you in to who they viewed as a threat.

Humans were the best candidates genetically for a new capital ship, they weren't the greatest threat. Also, the krogan and quarians only got one destroyer each to deal with them, and the salarians were never touched at all. Yet... the volus and elcor got full fleets to crush them, which strikes me as very odd. In fact, I really don't get the Reapers' battle plans; maybe they hit weak spots in various defenses before moving in on the important sites, and Palaven just didn't have many other defenses between it and Earth or wherever.

. We can see in the EC that Tuchanka has plenty of Reaprs on it.  There was just one Reaper near the shroud, we are never clued into how many others are on the planet.  As for Rannoch, they had the entire geth fleet under control, why would they need more than one Reaper?

Oh, sure, the Reapers eventually brought other forces to Tuchanka, but why would they leave only one Reaper near their most important staging area if they had more than one? A destroyer, no less. And on Rannoch, well, Reapers are still far more powerful than geth, and would have been able to do a lot more damage.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 can see in the EC that Tuchanka has plenty of Reaprs on it.  There was just one Reaper near the shroud, we are never clued into how many others are on the planet.  As for Rannoch, they had the entire geth fleet under control, why would they need more than one Reaper?

Oh, sure, the Reapers eventually brought other forces to Tuchanka, but why would they leave only one Reaper near their most important staging area if they had more than one? A destroyer, no less. And on Rannoch, well, Reapers are still far more powerful than geth, and would have been able to do a lot more damage.

. Well because the shroud wasnt a huge deal to the Reapers.  They had no idea about the cure, they were just using it to poison the atmosphere.  

The Reapers didnt need more forces in Rannoch.  The geth could cover it.  Their forces are probably better spent somewhere else harvesting.

[Tom Lehrer]

Xilizhra wrote...
Humans were the best candidates genetically for a new capital ship, they weren't the greatest threat. Also, the krogan and quarians only got one destroyer each to deal with them, and the salarians were never touched at all. Yet... the volus and elcor got full fleets to crush them, which strikes me as very odd. In fact, I really don't get the Reapers' battle plans; maybe they hit weak spots in various defenses before moving in on the important sites, and Palaven just didn't have many other defenses between it and Earth or wherever.

Its rather simple if you think about really. The initial plan for the Krogan was to simply poison the air using the tower. The plan for the Quarians was to have their Geth puppets do it. The Volus are the backbone of the galactic economy, if that back gets broken it hits the dirt and everyone suddenly finds it much harder to get the resources they need. The Elcor could arguably be some of the most potent ground forces in the galaxy making for great support acting for the Allied races in the same function as the Rachni in the Reaper forces.

[Barquiel]

Xilizhra wrote...

Humans were the best candidates genetically for a new capital ship, they weren't the greatest threat. Also, the krogan and quarians only got one destroyer each to deal with them, and the salarians were never touched at all. Yet... the volus and elcor got full fleets to crush them, which strikes me as very odd. In fact, I really don't get the Reapers' battle plans; maybe they hit weak spots in various defenses before moving in on the important sites, and Palaven just didn't have many other defenses between it and Earth or wherever.

Shepard can pass some code fragment to Asari High Command which will help them to predict reaper movements.
I guess the reapers are simply not very flexible. They had their invasion route and they were sticking to their plan. The elcor and volus were probably just attacked because of their proximity to the asari (elcor) and turians (volus).

[Wulfram]

The volus are a very logical high priority target. If left alone their industry can churn out the ships and guns and bullets and medi-gel that's needed to fight the war, while their banks can finance the war.

Really, they're potentially far more useful than the Krogan, who can only provide the regular infantry that universal military service among the Turians means we already have more of than we know what to do with anyway.

Modifié par Wulfram, 06 avril 2013 - 02:14 .

[Artifex_Imperius]

Steelcan wrote...

Honestly this whole debate can be settled by the Reapers and what order the attacked the galaxy. First was the batarians because if proximity, then the Humans and Turians..... Yet they waited for a while before they attacked the Asari. Kind of clues you in to who they viewed as a threat.

i think it was in the codex reapers have difficulty in harvesting the asari since well they're a race of biotics. compared to humans asari biotics are just that powerful.

codex also dictates that their actually waiting for the asari to starve or run out water. which wont happen anytime soon. cause technically asari dont need bullets. asari have an affinity to biotics. technically the reapers are resorting to ancient medievil methods of warfare waiting outside the city gates. maybe even for years for the asari just to surrender.

yes every race has biotics. but not as powerful as the asari. and add to that almost all asari are biotics. compared to human turian or krogan which are are only few and far in between.

reapers can easily get bogged down fighting in thessia. were every individual has a weapon. and a weapon particularly difficult to disarm.

and add to that asari excell at these sort guriella warfare were reapers are forced to fight door to door. thats why they chose thessia last.

well except for the salarian. anno basin is said to be very far and very deep in the galaxy. it would stretch the reaper forces to thin. PLUS the salarians have STEALTH DREADNAUGHTS. something reapers particular fear and have no answer to. remember when harby cant see the normandy. now imagine that was a dreadnaught he cant see.

Earth was particularly easy target with a military thats only less than 3% of the population. meaning 97% of humans are unarmed  and untrained well you get the point. compared to asari where each city has a sizeable military and each asari are trained to use biotics since preschool. In between the pole dacing careers asari also rent themselves out as mercs. THATS WHY I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND JOKERS JOKE ON THESSIA. humans seem larger because of their centralized military but Asari have more ships and soldiers.

case in point asari dont have  centralized military command compared to humans necessary for large scale conflict. but the asari dont have its weakness either. each city state military operates independenlty of the whole. Reapers dont have command&control centers to destroy. another strong point against the reaper for the asari.

Also Asari have 21 dreadnaughts. and yes asari dreadnaughts are bigger compared to human or turian.
each one has the firepower of the citadel fleet. not much but yeah. and yes asari cruisers are even bigger than human and turian dreadnaughts. in the earth cinematic 4 asari cruisers + 1 dreadnaught the ascension.

Did you see the opening cinematic of palaven the turians have like hundreds of cruiser against what 6 reaper capital ships and they still lost palaven.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 06 avril 2013 - 03:13 .

[Ledgend1221]

Didn't stop them from taking Palaven.
The two military powers were struck the hardest, first.

The Asari are a joke in combat.

[Barquiel]

Less than 3% of humans volunteer to serve in their military, a lower proportion than any other species (and humans already have the smallest population). The overall turian, salarian, and asari fleets outnumber the humans 10:1. The Reapers took Earth in a matter of hours. Thessia and Palaven hold out much longer while the Salarians are putting up a "spirited defense". Earth was one of the first planets hit during the Invasion because it was the focus of the Reapers harvesting, not because the Alliance is more powerful than the Salarians or the Asari. The Reapers choose one race per cycle to be made into a capital ship based on compatibility (Genetic diversity <_<), and building that capital ship takes priority over others.

[Ice Cold J]

 Weird question...

I would probably take the Asari over just about any race to be honest. Their scientific minds rival the Salarians and Quarians. I trust them a little more than both the Turians and Krogan. the only race that would rival them both military AND scientifically would be the Geth, which I'd have to go on a sputr of the moment decision.

It depends on the situation.

If you asked me to choose Geth or Quarian, I would've said Quarian, but given a choice in the situation as it was, the Quarians were hell bent on eliminating the Geth out of sheer fear and xeniophobia. In THAT instant, they seemed a more evil, aggressive, unstable race as a whole than the Geth, so I would've saved the Geth.

It depends on the situation. For example, if they were about to destroy the genophage cure and all traces of it becuase they felt the Krogan were a race of "loose cannons" and Wrex and/or Eve were the leaders, I'd probably choose the Krogan...

Not a simple cut-and-dry question for me, TBH...

[Tom Lehrer]

Barquiel wrote...

Less than 3% of humans volunteer to serve in their military, a lower proportion than any other species (and humans already have the smallest population). The overall turian, salarian, and asari fleets outnumber the humans 10:1. The Reapers took Earth in a matter of hours. Thessia and Palaven hold out much longer while the Salarians are putting up a "spirited defense". Earth was one of the first planets hit during the Invasion because it was the focus of the Reapers harvesting, not because the Alliance is more powerful than the Salarians or the Asari. The Reapers choose one race per cycle to be made into a capital ship based on compatibility (Genetic diversity <_<), and building that capital ship takes priority over others.

Where does it say that's the smallest proportion out of any other species, pretty sure Asari take that prize? The Alliance Fleet was also comparable in size to that of the Asari and Salerians with the biggest difference being in the number of dreadnaughts they had but compensated by building carriers. 

Thessia also fell very easily compared to Palaven. The Reapers were not in much of rush but as we saw when they wanted to they moved right in. Sure the Asari fleet used hit and run on the Reapers but like with the Turian fleet they just jumped over and attacked the planet. Then despite being a race of pure biotics they did not fight as hard as the Volus on the ground.

[Wulfram]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Where does it say that's the smallest proportion out of any other species, pretty sure Asari take that prize?

It's in the ME1 codex.  And is kind of stupid IMO.

[Barquiel]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Less than 3% of humans volunteer to serve in their military, a lower proportion than any other species (and humans already have the smallest population). The overall turian, salarian, and asari fleets outnumber the humans 10:1. The Reapers took Earth in a matter of hours. Thessia and Palaven hold out much longer while the Salarians are putting up a "spirited defense". Earth was one of the first planets hit during the Invasion because it was the focus of the Reapers harvesting, not because the Alliance is more powerful than the Salarians or the Asari. The Reapers choose one race per cycle to be made into a capital ship based on compatibility (Genetic diversity <_<), and building that capital ship takes priority over others.

Where does it say that's the smallest proportion out of any other species, pretty sure Asari take that prize? The Alliance Fleet was also comparable in size to that of the Asari and Salerians with the biggest difference being in the number of dreadnaughts they had but compensated by building carriers. 

Thessia also fell very easily compared to Palaven. The Reapers were not in much of rush but as we saw when they wanted to they moved right in. Sure the Asari fleet used hit and run on the Reapers but like with the Turian fleet they just jumped over and attacked the planet. Then despite being a race of pure biotics they did not fight as hard as the Volus on the ground.

The codex - System Alliance. "The Council regards the Alliance as a "sleeping giant". Less than 3% of humans volunteer to serve in their military, a lower proportion than any other species."

As for the fleets, Chris L'Etoile commented on this at ME wikia. He said the council races fleet's still outnumber humanitys at 10 to 1 at least. You're right, Thessia felt easily compared to Palaven. But the Asari fought more succesfully against Reapers than any other race (except the Turians). "The assault on Thessia did not go as smoothly as the Reapers' strikes against other races" ...and they also defended some of their major colony worlds relatively successful (Cyone, Lusia, Illium, Trategos).

[Ledgend1221]

Thessia fell like a tonne of bricks.

The asari need less strippers in their "army".
I mean, they're ships are woefully desinged and would be horrible in combat.
Their 'great' dreadnought fell to a bunch of Geth cruisers and was only saved by the human's fifth fleet.
Which was made up of cruisers and frigates only and swept away the Geth in a minute, then porceeded to wipe Soverign.

I mean, what do you expect from a race of dancers?

[Xilizhra]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Thessia fell like a tonne of bricks.

The asari need less strippers in their "army".
I mean, they're ships are woefully desinged and would be horrible in combat.
Their 'great' dreadnought fell to a bunch of Geth cruisers and was only saved by the human's fifth fleet.
Which was made up of cruisers and frigates only and swept away the Geth in a minute, then porceeded to wipe Soverign.

I mean, what do you expect from a race of dancers?

I don't think you understand how dreadnaughts work. All of them are easily destroyed by a swarm of smaller ships if caught without support, and Sovereign crushed all of the support fleet on its entrance. And Thessia didn't fall any worse than Earth, or any other world except Palaven, which is, as mentioned prior, the most heavily militarized planet in the galaxy.

[David7204]

I'm sorry, how is a dreadnought being overwhelmed by cruisers indicative of anything? Are dreadnoughts supposed to be immune to anything smaller than another dreadnought?

Yes, Thessia fell. But so did Earth. And the asari had a bunch of other colonies under attack long before the Reapers hit Thessia. It would be pretty stupid of them stupid to have their military sitting on Thessia doing nothing while colonies are being destroyed, particularly since the asari are much more spread out than humanity.

Modifié par David7204, 06 avril 2013 - 05:08 .