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[Ledgend1221]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Thessia fell like a tonne of bricks.

The asari need less strippers in their "army".
I mean, they're ships are woefully desinged and would be horrible in combat.
Their 'great' dreadnought fell to a bunch of Geth cruisers and was only saved by the human's fifth fleet.
Which was made up of cruisers and frigates only and swept away the Geth in a minute, then porceeded to wipe Soverign.

I mean, what do you expect from a race of dancers?

I don't think you understand how dreadnaughts work. All of them are easily destroyed by a swarm of smaller ships if caught without support, and Sovereign crushed all of the support fleet on its entrance. And Thessia didn't fall any worse than Earth, or any other world except Palaven, which is, as mentioned prior, the most heavily militarized planet in the galaxy.

Soverign just rushed through and didn't bother taking out anything but what he crashed into.
The dreadnought didn't even put up a fight at all, not even when the geth approached from the relay.
Why didn't it retreat instead of going head first into the superior geth ships?
Thessia fell in several minutes even after having months to prepare. Dancing won't stop them reapers.

[David7204]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Soverign just rushed through and didn't bother taking out anything but what he crashed into.
The dreadnought didn't even put up a fight at all, not even when the geth approached from the relay.
Why didn't it retreat instead of going head first into the superior geth ships?
Thessia fell in several minutes even after having months to prepare. Dancing won't stop them reapers.

"Thessia fell in several minutes"? How beyond stupid are you? We clearly see that the attack on Thessia is underway long before Shepard arrives. Do you even understand your own moronic tactics? You make false accusations that the Ascension "didn't even put up a fight at all" and then in literally the very next sentence you whine that it should have retreated.

Modifié par David7204, 06 avril 2013 - 05:15 .

[Ledgend1221]

David7204 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Soverign just rushed through and didn't bother taking out anything but what he crashed into.
The dreadnought didn't even put up a fight at all, not even when the geth approached from the relay.
Why didn't it retreat instead of going head first into the superior geth ships?
Thessia fell in several minutes even after having months to prepare. Dancing won't stop them reapers.

"Thessia fell in several minutes"? How beyond stupid are you? We clearly see that the attack on Thessia is underway long before Shepard arrives. Are are your even listening to your moronic tactics? You make false accusations that the Ascension "didn't even put up a fight at all" and then in literally the very next sentence you whine that it should have retreated.

The fact you're resorting to personal attacks and getting upset means that you know you're wrong.

[David7204]

I can assure you the only cause of me being 'upset' is fact that laughable arguments like these are held up as even slightly credible.

[Ledgend1221]

David7204 wrote...

I can assure you the only cause of me being 'upset' is fact that laughable arguments like these are held up as even slightly credible.

Oh this is hilarious!
I love it when this happens.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I'd save the Batarians over the Asari.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I'd save the Batarians over the Asari.

I have nothing to add to this.

Except for the fact that Batarians are pretty cool guys.

[Ice Cold J]

Ice Cold J wrote...

 Weird question...

I would probably take the Asari over just about any race to be honest. Their scientific minds rival the Salarians and Quarians. I trust them a little more than both the Turians and Krogan. the only race that would rival them both military AND scientifically would be the Geth, which I'd have to go on a sputr of the moment decision.

It depends on the situation.

If you asked me to choose Geth or Quarian, I would've said Quarian, but given a choice in the situation as it was, the Quarians were hell bent on eliminating the Geth out of sheer fear and xeniophobia. In THAT instant, they seemed a more evil, aggressive, unstable race as a whole than the Geth, so I would've saved the Geth.

It depends on the situation. For example, if they were about to destroy the genophage cure and all traces of it becuase they felt the Krogan were a race of "loose cannons" and Wrex and/or Eve were the leaders, I'd probably choose the Krogan...

Not a simple cut-and-dry question for me, TBH...

[Sibu]

Xilizhra wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

Er, there's no evidence that the asari would hold out for a shorter amount of time than the turians.

Thessia falls with the left over of the Reapers in ONE DAY (like ****ing Earth... oh wait, Earth was the target of the main Reaper Fleet)... Palaven stood for the entire war and manage to destroy many Reapers in a brilliant, if inmoral to my standars, stategy.

Sorry, but your pro asari argument sounds a lot like a straw man lost in a farm

Earth was not the target of the whole fleet at once; that was Khar'shan. After going through Kite's Nest, the fleet scattered to start attacking other parts of the galaxy. Earth didn't become a central hub for the Reapers until the final battle itself.

Also, Palaven, remember, is the single most militarized planet in the galaxy.

Never said that Earth got hit by the entire Reaper Fleet, just the main Fleet ... you know, the one that Harbinger is leading and got the biggest numbers?

The only planet that got hit by the full force of the Reapers was Khar'shan (****ing hard to writte name).

And finally you see my point... Palaven, being the most militarized planet with the most powerfull fleet, the biggest experience in all out galactic war and best trained miltary ground forces... is more reliable than the asari to face the Reapers.

Asari are usefull in times of peace, not so much in war.

[Sibu]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I'd save the Batarians over the Asari.

I have nothing to add to this.

Except for the fact that Batarians are pretty cool guys.

And giant mirror like weapon that can destroy entire countries with a blast

[jacob taylor416]

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

Er, there's no evidence that the asari would hold out for a shorter amount of time than the turians.

Thessia falls with the left over of the Reapers in ONE DAY (like ****ing Earth... oh wait, Earth was the target of the main Reaper Fleet)... Palaven stood for the entire war and manage to destroy many Reapers in a brilliant, if inmoral to my standars, stategy.

Sorry, but your pro asari argument sounds a lot like a straw man lost in a farm

Earth was not the target of the whole fleet at once; that was Khar'shan. After going through Kite's Nest, the fleet scattered to start attacking other parts of the galaxy. Earth didn't become a central hub for the Reapers until the final battle itself.

Also, Palaven, remember, is the single most militarized planet in the galaxy.

Never said that Earth got hit by the entire Reaper Fleet, just the main Fleet ... you know, the one that Harbinger is leading and got the biggest numbers?

The only planet that got hit by the full force of the Reapers was Khar'shan (****ing hard to writte name).

And finally you see my point... Palaven, being the most militarized planet with the most powerfull fleet, the biggest experience in all out galactic war and best trained miltary ground forces... is more reliable than the asari to face the Reapers.

Asari are usefull in times of peace, not so much in war.

Also, as soon as the alliance got the crucible plan, they retreated, sacraficing Eart in order to win in the long run.  

[Sibu]

jacob taylor416 wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

Er, there's no evidence that the asari would hold out for a shorter amount of time than the turians.

Thessia falls with the left over of the Reapers in ONE DAY (like ****ing Earth... oh wait, Earth was the target of the main Reaper Fleet)... Palaven stood for the entire war and manage to destroy many Reapers in a brilliant, if inmoral to my standars, stategy.

Sorry, but your pro asari argument sounds a lot like a straw man lost in a farm

Earth was not the target of the whole fleet at once; that was Khar'shan. After going through Kite's Nest, the fleet scattered to start attacking other parts of the galaxy. Earth didn't become a central hub for the Reapers until the final battle itself.

Also, Palaven, remember, is the single most militarized planet in the galaxy.

Never said that Earth got hit by the entire Reaper Fleet, just the main Fleet ... you know, the one that Harbinger is leading and got the biggest numbers?

The only planet that got hit by the full force of the Reapers was Khar'shan (****ing hard to writte name).

And finally you see my point... Palaven, being the most militarized planet with the most powerfull fleet, the biggest experience in all out galactic war and best trained miltary ground forces... is more reliable than the asari to face the Reapers.

Asari are usefull in times of peace, not so much in war.

Also, as soon as the alliance got the crucible plan, they retreated, sacraficing Eart in order to win in the long run.  

Yeah, they did... but they lasted for the entire war and gave hell to the main Reaper Fleet in Earth during the entirety of the game (in time line, those are months, sonny). The Asari had their Fleet and Ground Forces Zergrushed by the ****ing left overs

Stop trying... the Asari are not usefull for an all out war. The best they ever did, was to protect a planet from the Krogans in the rebellions

[Red Panda]

Sibu wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I'd save the Batarians over the Asari.

I have nothing to add to this.

Except for the fact that Batarians are pretty cool guys.

And giant mirror like weapon that can destroy entire countries with a blast

Fried Calamari tastes good with ketchup.

[MetalGear312]

The Asari are in a very negotiable position having that Prothean beacon is only useful when used as an unspoken deterrent and was obviously pointed at the other Council races, they of course wasted it and their homeworld paid the full price for the Matriarchs caginess. If I was asked to choose between the Asari and any other race I would choose any other race, not because I hate the Asari it's because there are other races with much more potential then the Asari to not screw the entire galaxy over all in the name of very biased peace.

[Argolas]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I'd save the Batarians over the Asari.

This can't be about the strength against the Reapers because the Batarians are significantly weaker than the Asari. Are you saying that you'd have the Batarians who deal in slaves and put terrorists in charge of their military instead of a diplomatic-minded power after the war is over?

About the Batarians: Listen.

[Astartes Marine]

Sibu wrote...

jacob taylor416 wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

Er, there's no evidence that the asari would hold out for a shorter amount of time than the turians.

Thessia falls with the left over of the Reapers in ONE DAY (like ****ing Earth... oh wait, Earth was the target of the main Reaper Fleet)... Palaven stood for the entire war and manage to destroy many Reapers in a brilliant, if inmoral to my standars, stategy.

Sorry, but your pro asari argument sounds a lot like a straw man lost in a farm

Earth was not the target of the whole fleet at once; that was Khar'shan. After going through Kite's Nest, the fleet scattered to start attacking other parts of the galaxy. Earth didn't become a central hub for the Reapers until the final battle itself.

Also, Palaven, remember, is the single most militarized planet in the galaxy.

Never said that Earth got hit by the entire Reaper Fleet, just the main Fleet ... you know, the one that Harbinger is leading and got the biggest numbers?

The only planet that got hit by the full force of the Reapers was Khar'shan (****ing hard to writte name).

And finally you see my point... Palaven, being the most militarized planet with the most powerfull fleet, the biggest experience in all out galactic war and best trained miltary ground forces... is more reliable than the asari to face the Reapers.

Asari are usefull in times of peace, not so much in war.

Also, as soon as the alliance got the crucible plan, they retreated, sacraficing Eart in order to win in the long run.  

Yeah, they did... but they lasted for the entire war and gave hell to the main Reaper Fleet in Earth during the entirety of the game (in time line, those are months, sonny). The Asari had their Fleet and Ground Forces Zergrushed by the ****ing left overs

Stop trying... the Asari are not usefull for an all out war. The best they ever did, was to protect a planet from the Krogans in the rebellions

Very true, groundside resistance on Earth was giving the Reapers hell whenever they could.  London was one of the hardest hit but resistance forces there still had operational outposts, armored vehicles, and plenty of weapons.

The Asari...heh.  Commandos getting overrun by mere Husks and the occasional Brute.  Pfft.  Needed more soldiers and less poledancers.  Decadant race, proving that pride does go before the fall.

[Argolas]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Very true, groundside resistance on Earth was giving the Reapers hell whenever they could.  London was one of the hardest hit but resistance forces there still had operational outposts, armored vehicles, and plenty of weapons.

The Asari...heh.  Commandos getting overrun by mere Husks and the occasional Brute.  Pfft.  Needed more soldiers and less poledancers.  Decadant race, proving that pride does go before the fall.

The Asari are simply not as militarized as the Krogan and Turians are. Their policy has always been commited to cooperation and peace. Still, they put up a fight and are still fighting at the end.

Lieutenant Kurin was a goddamn hero. But I guess for some people, deeds like these only count if done by a manly character.

[Barquiel]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Sibu wrote...

jacob taylor416 wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

Er, there's no evidence that the asari would hold out for a shorter amount of time than the turians.

Thessia falls with the left over of the Reapers in ONE DAY (like ****ing Earth... oh wait, Earth was the target of the main Reaper Fleet)... Palaven stood for the entire war and manage to destroy many Reapers in a brilliant, if inmoral to my standars, stategy.

Sorry, but your pro asari argument sounds a lot like a straw man lost in a farm

Earth was not the target of the whole fleet at once; that was Khar'shan. After going through Kite's Nest, the fleet scattered to start attacking other parts of the galaxy. Earth didn't become a central hub for the Reapers until the final battle itself.

Also, Palaven, remember, is the single most militarized planet in the galaxy.

Never said that Earth got hit by the entire Reaper Fleet, just the main Fleet ... you know, the one that Harbinger is leading and got the biggest numbers?

The only planet that got hit by the full force of the Reapers was Khar'shan (****ing hard to writte name).

And finally you see my point... Palaven, being the most militarized planet with the most powerfull fleet, the biggest experience in all out galactic war and best trained miltary ground forces... is more reliable than the asari to face the Reapers.

Asari are usefull in times of peace, not so much in war.

Also, as soon as the alliance got the crucible plan, they retreated, sacraficing Eart in order to win in the long run.  

Yeah, they did... but they lasted for the entire war and gave hell to the main Reaper Fleet in Earth during the entirety of the game (in time line, those are months, sonny). The Asari had their Fleet and Ground Forces Zergrushed by the ****ing left overs

Stop trying... the Asari are not usefull for an all out war. The best they ever did, was to protect a planet from the Krogans in the rebellions

Very true, groundside resistance on Earth was giving the Reapers hell whenever they could.  London was one of the hardest hit but resistance forces there still had operational outposts, armored vehicles, and plenty of weapons.

The Asari...heh.  Commandos getting overrun by mere Husks and the occasional Brute.  Pfft.  Needed more soldiers and less poledancers.  Decadant race, proving that pride does go before the fall.

London is only the staging ground for the end game because we know that the Reapers were concentrating their forces in London. The resistance knew that there was something big (the beam) going on, and that's why the alliance chose it as the rendezvous point.

Anderson also mentions coordinating the resistance by avoiding population centers because of the strong reaper presence.

Meanwhile on Lusia (as asari colony)...

More than a millennium later, Lusia finds itself once again in danger. Though the asari have lost the "high ground" of space, the colony's webbed defense grid remains at least partially functional. Land, sea, and air forces are striking wherever they can, determined to resist until the end.

or Illium...

Reaper forces met a surprising amount of resistance at Illium. Its leaders were paranoid about keeping their fortunes, and were influential in both Terminus and Citadel space. They acquired a large defense fleet and a high number of fission weapons, and in the brief space battle, used them on the Reaper fleet's troop transports rather their near-impervious capital ships. As a result, the inevitable ground invasion has been slowed to a crawl as the Reapers manufacture more troops.

Modifié par Barquiel, 07 avril 2013 - 12:37 .

[Astartes Marine]

Argolas wrote...
The Asari are simply not as militarized as the Krogan and Turians are. Their policy has always been commited to cooperation and peace. Still, they put up a fight and are still fighting at the end.

Lieutenant Kurin was a goddamn hero. But I guess for some people, deeds like these only count if done by a manly character.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.  Latin roughly translated into "if you wish for peace, prepare for war".  They had the right idea in that their Dreadnoughts, or at least the Ascension were unmatched in power...but overall their military failed to measure up.

Kurin was a soldier who was doing her job.  She nearly deserted her post (eligible for summary execution in my eyes, desertion in the face of the enemy) but Shepard gave her the proper kick in the ass to do her duty to her people.  Only in death does duty end.

Oh and being a man or manly has nothing to do with it. 

[Sibu]

Argolas wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Very true, groundside resistance on Earth was giving the Reapers hell whenever they could.  London was one of the hardest hit but resistance forces there still had operational outposts, armored vehicles, and plenty of weapons.

The Asari...heh.  Commandos getting overrun by mere Husks and the occasional Brute.  Pfft.  Needed more soldiers and less poledancers.  Decadant race, proving that pride does go before the fall.

The Asari are simply not as militarized as the Krogan and Turians are. Their policy has always been commited to cooperation and peace. Still, they put up a fight and are still fighting at the end.

Lieutenant Kurin was a goddamn hero. But I guess for some people, deeds like these only count if done by a manly character.

Excuse me? Now you are using sexism as an argument? Sorry but that's pathetic

[Lost Mercenary]

It would entirely depend on the situation.

If it was something like "You have a secret that could save the Asari but doing so you will give up the Crucible's location." Then the Asari would die.

But that's just one example. Again it would depend.

[Sibu]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Sibu wrote...

jacob taylor416 wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's pretty clear, everyone was getting their poop beaten out their bottoms but if "Guy A" can make you survive longer than "Guy B", then definetly go for Guy A

Er, there's no evidence that the asari would hold out for a shorter amount of time than the turians.

Thessia falls with the left over of the Reapers in ONE DAY (like ****ing Earth... oh wait, Earth was the target of the main Reaper Fleet)... Palaven stood for the entire war and manage to destroy many Reapers in a brilliant, if inmoral to my standars, stategy.

Sorry, but your pro asari argument sounds a lot like a straw man lost in a farm

Earth was not the target of the whole fleet at once; that was Khar'shan. After going through Kite's Nest, the fleet scattered to start attacking other parts of the galaxy. Earth didn't become a central hub for the Reapers until the final battle itself.

Also, Palaven, remember, is the single most militarized planet in the galaxy.

Never said that Earth got hit by the entire Reaper Fleet, just the main Fleet ... you know, the one that Harbinger is leading and got the biggest numbers?

The only planet that got hit by the full force of the Reapers was Khar'shan (****ing hard to writte name).

And finally you see my point... Palaven, being the most militarized planet with the most powerfull fleet, the biggest experience in all out galactic war and best trained miltary ground forces... is more reliable than the asari to face the Reapers.

Asari are usefull in times of peace, not so much in war.

Also, as soon as the alliance got the crucible plan, they retreated, sacraficing Eart in order to win in the long run.  

Yeah, they did... but they lasted for the entire war and gave hell to the main Reaper Fleet in Earth during the entirety of the game (in time line, those are months, sonny). The Asari had their Fleet and Ground Forces Zergrushed by the ****ing left overs

Stop trying... the Asari are not usefull for an all out war. The best they ever did, was to protect a planet from the Krogans in the rebellions

Very true, groundside resistance on Earth was giving the Reapers hell whenever they could.  London was one of the hardest hit but resistance forces there still had operational outposts, armored vehicles, and plenty of weapons.

The Asari...heh.  Commandos getting overrun by mere Husks and the occasional Brute.  Pfft.  Needed more soldiers and less poledancers.  Decadant race, proving that pride does go before the fall.

Disagree, the asari are anything but decadant. They are the reason the galaxy is organiced since before the first Mass Effect... and honest to God, the martial pacifism is the way to go: Educate your children to respect and tolerate others. War is not inevitable, Conflict is.

[Mike 9987]

Seeing as how the asari were the reason nobody was prepared, I will sacrifice them.

[Argolas]

Sibu wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Very true, groundside resistance on Earth was giving the Reapers hell whenever they could.  London was one of the hardest hit but resistance forces there still had operational outposts, armored vehicles, and plenty of weapons.

The Asari...heh.  Commandos getting overrun by mere Husks and the occasional Brute.  Pfft.  Needed more soldiers and less poledancers.  Decadant race, proving that pride does go before the fall.

The Asari are simply not as militarized as the Krogan and Turians are. Their policy has always been commited to cooperation and peace. Still, they put up a fight and are still fighting at the end.

Lieutenant Kurin was a goddamn hero. But I guess for some people, deeds like these only count if done by a manly character.

Excuse me? Now you are using sexism as an argument? Sorry but that's pathetic

I said some people look at it that way and I know that is true. I dare to say that this thinking is present among lots of Asari haters.

[Argolas]

Mike 9987 wrote...

Seeing as how the asari were the reason nobody was prepared, I will sacrifice them.

There is not a single race you can't blame for that, try the whole council instead. No council member except Anderson in ME2 ever believed that the reapers were real.