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[Giantdeathrobot]

If I could annihilate the Asari instead of the Geth in Destroy, say? Oh would I do it in a heartbeat. Sorry girls, but you're just not interesting. Plus the whole keeping vital Prothean tech for yourselves, you selfish ****s.

[KotorEffect3]

I save whoever I can, if there were a scenario where I have to pick between the asari and someone  else it would depend on which option would be better for the galaxy as a whole in terms of what would be better for the war effort (ruthless calculus of war).

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 07 avril 2013 - 10:38 .

[TheMyron]

David7204 wrote...

Yes. Let's all pretend that no other government would ever keep secrets. Like secretly uplifting the Yahg, for instance. Or secretly burying a bomb on Tuchanka. Or secretly finding a Reaper corpse killed by the Leviathan and denying it's existence.

True, but the Asari secret had information on the Reaper invasion... I think.

[SSPBOURNE]

Well, sacrificing the Asari would result in a lot more Banshees. I don't think I could handle that.

[DarthLaxian]

CTWraith wrote...

Given that they held out on vey critical information, hid an information beacon from the rest of the galaxy and used it to assert their dominance...

No... I wouldn't sacrifice them, but if it were an option I'd have made sure they lost their council position to either the Quarians/Geth or the Krogan

that is something we can agree on

note: we only lost the beacon, because we told the council (!) - who knows what else (besides the information that there are the reapers out there) was on that? (i mean: the temple on Thessia was a giant beacon - one that had its own VI and even defenses against indoctrinated foreces (firewalls and a detector))

so yeah, they held out on us (i would have loved for the Alliance to have done something similar, but NO - we let them into the Mars Archives, we told them of the beacon, we adhered to their - ridiculous fleet-size-treaty (the treaty of Farixen)...that one was/is almost as bad as the treaty of Versailles (!)....etc. the Alliance was a good little lapdog *pukes* - i almost regret saving them everytime (but i can't abide letting the crew of the Ascention die, just because they had to harbor those idiotic politicians (and: having my SPECTRE-Position in ME2 was nice after i found out about that))

greetings LAX
ps: note: maybe AI-research would have yielded a weapon against the reapers? - well, i just think that their rules suck (and punishing the Quarians? and not stopping Batarian-Slavers?...well i just about had it with those guys...also there is still the reason of not having a dictatorship (human only council) which is just bad IMHO)

[DarthLaxian]

DarthLaxian wrote...

CTWraith wrote...

Given that they held out on vey critical information, hid an information beacon from the rest of the galaxy and used it to assert their dominance...

No... I wouldn't sacrifice them, but if it were an option I'd have made sure they lost their council position to either the Quarians/Geth or the Krogan

that is something we can agree on

note: we only lost the beacon, because we told the council (!) - who knows what else (besides the information that there are the reapers out there) was on that? (i mean: the temple on Thessia was a giant beacon - one that had its own VI and even defenses against indoctrinated foreces (firewalls and a detector))

so yeah, they held out on us (i would have loved for the Alliance to have done something similar, but NO - we let them into the Mars Archives, we told them of the beacon, we adhered to their - ridiculous fleet-size-treaty (the treaty of Farixen)...that one was/is almost as bad as the treaty of Versailles and the Washington Naval Treaty (!)....etc. the Alliance was a good little lapdog *pukes* - i almost regret saving them everytime (but i can't abide letting the crew of the Ascention die, just because they had to harbor those idiotic politicians (and: having my SPECTRE-Position in ME2 was nice after i found out about that))

greetings LAX
ps: note: maybe AI-research would have yielded a weapon against the reapers? - well, i just think that their rules suck (and punishing the Quarians? and not stopping Batarian-Slavers?...well i just about had it with those guys...also there is still the reason of not having a dictatorship (human only council) which is just bad IMHO)

-.- button (quote instead of edit) again - how i hate that!

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 08 juillet 2013 - 05:18 .

[AlexMBrennan]

No... I wouldn't sacrifice them, but if it were an option I'd have made sure they lost their council position to either the Quarians/Geth or the Krogan

That is extremely shortsighted - yes, the asari have shown that they are not sufficiently omnibenevolent to be entrusted as the sole holder of advanced information, but they have kept the peace for millennia - do you think the first contact war would have ended as soon as it did if humanity had had to rely on krogans to negotiate with the turians?

[Sir DeLoria]

I'd sacrifice them for the Quarians. Sorry, but those tentacles are a real turn-off.

[DarthLaxian]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

No... I wouldn't sacrifice them, but if it were an option I'd have made sure they lost their council position to either the Quarians/Geth or the Krogan

That is extremely shortsighted - yes, the asari have shown that they are not sufficiently omnibenevolent to be entrusted as the sole holder of advanced information, but they have kept the peace for millennia - do you think the first contact war would have ended as soon as it did if humanity had had to rely on krogans to negotiate with the turians?

well now, neither of those races warrants placement on the council IMHO - i would drop the Asari (but i would take them back on - before giving any of the other races a position (i would want to teach them humility - not make them look bad in front of the entire galaxy, by being walked over by say the Quarians (as much as i like them...well at least Tali...the others with their Geth-Hate? - not so much)) but only fore a time (like a "prison" sentence...say for 2 years (or 5))

greetings LAX

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 08 juillet 2013 - 09:41 .

[justafan]

Eh, I wouldn't sacrifice them over anyone else particularly.

But if the scenario was that I could only save X number of species, the Asari wouldn't be too high on the list, though they would still be higher than the Salarians. Of the council species, I hold the Turians in high regards, and outside the council I prefer both Krogan and Quarians. After them, it's a crapshoot. But I would never sacrifice a mostly innocent species for another without a darn good reason.

Modifié par justafan, 08 juillet 2013 - 10:20 .

[HellbirdIV]

Let's see...

Reasons to save asari:

-Most experienced soldiers and commanders with many leaders several hundred years old.

-Most advanced technology, period. It doesn't matter how they got it, they still have it.

-An entire species of Biotics.

Reasons not to save them:

-Some people dislike the asari because Liara is a better developed LI than Tali. Wait, that's not a reason.

Yeah, scrap it, I can't say there's any good reason to sacrifice the asari over another species in the galaxy.

[Anubis722]

I'll do it in a heart beat

[d1ta]

Well, before MEHEM I already did that to the Geth with Destroy and if it were sacrifice 'species x' to save the rest of the galaxy then I supposed I will do it, the ruthless calculus of war, sacrifice 1 million people over here to save 2 million people over there.
Although I do it not without the heart ache and other emotional bagages. BUT if the question is.. Will I sacrifice Humanity to save the galaxy..? That will be a tough one. In truth (and what an ugly truth that is) I would sacrifice the galaxy to save humanity >_< in a heart beat. Bad answer, but there you go.

[Ledgend1221]

d1ta wrote...

Well, before MEHEM I already did that to the Geth with Destroy and if it were sacrifice 'species x' to save the rest of the galaxy then I supposed I will do it, the ruthless calculus of war, sacrifice 1 million people over here to save 2 million people over there.
Although I do it not without the heart ache and other emotional bagages. BUT if the question is.. Will I sacrifice Humanity to save the galaxy..? That will be a tough one. In truth (and what an ugly truth that is) I would sacrifice the galaxy to save humanity >_< in a heart beat. Bad answer, but there you go.

Good answer, it's the correct choice.

[HellbirdIV]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

d1ta wrote...

Well, before MEHEM I already did that to the Geth with Destroy and if it were sacrifice 'species x' to save the rest of the galaxy then I supposed I will do it, the ruthless calculus of war, sacrifice 1 million people over here to save 2 million people over there.
Although I do it not without the heart ache and other emotional bagages. BUT if the question is.. Will I sacrifice Humanity to save the galaxy..? That will be a tough one. In truth (and what an ugly truth that is) I would sacrifice the galaxy to save humanity >_< in a heart beat. Bad answer, but there you go.

Good answer, it's the correct choice.

Why is that? Humanity in Mass Effect the universe is kinda... Well, it kind of sucks. Whole lot of violent, amoral thugs, greedy expansionists, technologically, biotically, physically and mentally inferior to literally every other species in either one or multiple ways... What's so great about these people, exactly?

If I had to sacrifice a species I'd probably base it on numbers. That's why I did sacrifice the quarians in my original playthrough - fewest amount of lives lost.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'd save them and not because they're "blue space babes". That has nothing to do with it. I think they're my favorite race because in a way they're a perfected version of humanity, what humanity could be (take that, Illusive Man!). Low crime, low poverty, low pollution, no religious turmoil. I love their diplomacy, pragmatism, beautiful culture and architecture, and because they live for so long they're a very philosophical people who scorn war and death. And of course, the fact that every Asari has biotic capabilities might also have something to do with why I like them so much.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 09 juillet 2013 - 06:42 .

[agentN7]

I think a thread on a choice between humans or non humans would have been interesting also

Modifié par agentN7, 09 juillet 2013 - 10:03 .

[KaiserShep]

HellbirdIV wrote...
Why is that? Humanity in Mass Effect the universe is kinda... Well, it kind of sucks. Whole lot of violent, amoral thugs, greedy expansionists, technologically, biotically, physically and mentally inferior to literally every other species in either one or multiple ways... What's so great about these people, exactly?

The other races in Mass Effect are no different from humans in terms of violence, amorality and greed. We go through swaths of thugs that are comprised of Turians, Asari, Krogan and Salarians along with the Vorcha. All of the major races in the MEU have their fair share of scum that exhibit all of the worst that humanity can dish out. If it came down to weighing the value of my own species to others, things like their biotics, mental capacity and even technology may not really be as big a concern anymore, because in the end, those are just details. Sacrificing humanity to save the rest is not what I would call an easy decision. The numbers might not actually be enough to convince me.

[MstrJedi Kyle]

Depends on the situation.

[Sumthing]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Let's see...

Reasons to save asari:

-Most experienced soldiers and commanders with many leaders several hundred years old.

-Most advanced technology, period. It doesn't matter how they got it, they still have it.

-An entire species of Biotics.

Reasons not to save them:

-Some people dislike the asari because Liara is a better developed LI than Tali. Wait, that's not a reason.

Yeah, scrap it, I can't say there's any good reason to sacrifice the asari over another species in the galaxy.

Well, the Asari are egotistical from my point of view. They kept a Prothean artefact hidden from the rest of the galaxy in order to maintain their own superiority. They refused to help the rest of the Galaxy fight the reapers until they where facing them down themselves.
The most experienced soldiers and commanders are probably Turians, or Krogan, not Asari. The Krogan are biologically built to be soldiers. 
It really does matter how they got their technology. If they got it from the Protheans, then they are simply advancing down the paths that the reapers desired them to.

[DarthLaxian]

d1ta wrote...

Well, before MEHEM I already did that to the Geth with Destroy and if it were sacrifice 'species x' to save the rest of the galaxy then I supposed I will do it, the ruthless calculus of war, sacrifice 1 million people over here to save 2 million people over there.
Although I do it not without the heart ache and other emotional bagages. BUT if the question is.. Will I sacrifice Humanity to save the galaxy..? That will be a tough one. In truth (and what an ugly truth that is) I would sacrifice the galaxy to save humanity >_< in a heart beat. Bad answer, but there you go.

it's only natural (that's why all those races you get to earth need you to do stuff for them first, they do not want to sacrifice themselves for the rest - humanity does not want that either, it is logical...and it is also more or less logical that a human would not let humanity die for everybody else IMHO)

greetings LAX
ps: Endings were still bad - but i am glad i did not have to decide that (i either take controll or refuse - synthesis is a nice idea, too (at least for me - i would love to be half robot and possible live forever because of that)...but forcing it on the galaxy?...hm...i don't know)

[Barquiel]

Sumthing wrote...

It really does matter how they got their technology. If they got it from the Protheans, then they are simply advancing down the paths that the reapers desired them to.

All advanced galactic civilizations are based on Prothean technology (to quote Nihlus). It's one of the first things we've learned in ME1.

[Sumthing]

Barquiel wrote...

Sumthing wrote...

It really does matter how they got their technology. If they got it from the Protheans, then they are simply advancing down the paths that the reapers desired them to.

All advanced galactic civilizations are based on Prothean technology (to quote Nihlus). It's one of the first things we've learned in ME1.

What about the Rachni?

[Mcfly616]

I would choose Destroy no matter which race would be sacrificed. No cost is too great when it comes to the fate of the galaxy.