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[Barquiel]

Sumthing wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Sumthing wrote...

It really does matter how they got their technology. If they got it from the Protheans, then they are simply advancing down the paths that the reapers desired them to.

All advanced galactic civilizations are based on Prothean technology (to quote Nihlus). It's one of the first things we've learned in ME1.

What about the Rachni?

Well, Bryson theorized that the Leviathans manipulated the rachni....

[Sumthing]

Barquiel wrote...

Sumthing wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Sumthing wrote...

It really does matter how they got their technology. If they got it from the Protheans, then they are simply advancing down the paths that the reapers desired them to.

All advanced galactic civilizations are based on Prothean technology (to quote Nihlus). It's one of the first things we've learned in ME1.

What about the Rachni?

Well, Bryson theorized that the Leviathans manipulated the rachni....

What does that suggest?
I don't understand why you would help the Leviathans. They sound pretty despicable. Manipulating other races to do their bidding.

[KaiserShep]

The Rachni use the relays like everyone else. Difference is that they might not use tech engineered from what they learned of the relay for day to day conveniences. They still burrow like ants and don't even use artificial weapons.

As for helping the Leviathan, I like to quote Homer Simpson: "Oh I'll help you. HELP YOU DIE!"

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 juillet 2013 - 11:16 .

[Barquiel]

Bryson speculated that the Leviathans wanted to prepare them for the Harvest so they could fight back against the Reapers, iirc.

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Why is that? Humanity in Mass Effect the universe is kinda... Well, it kind of sucks. Whole lot of violent, amoral thugs, greedy expansionists, technologically, biotically, physically and mentally inferior to literally every other species in either one or multiple ways... What's so great about these people, exactly?

If I had to sacrifice a species I'd probably base it on numbers. That's why I did sacrifice the quarians in my original playthrough - fewest amount of lives lost.

Fewest amount of lives lost? Right 17 million civilians, a whole race, is nothing<_<

I'm sure choosing the evil genocidal robots over the space Bedouins is a moral choice.

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...
Let's see...
Reasons to save asari:

-Most incompetent soldiers and commanders with many leaders several hundred years old, that still have no sense of tactics. Seriously, they'd get annihilated by the Turians.

-Most advanced technology, period. It doesn't matter how they got it, they still have it. Except for the Quarians, they managed to build a synthetic mega-race and create the most advanced guns in the galaxy.

-An entire species of Biotics. Ardat-Yakshi. Btw, biotics can't save you from an orbital strike.

Reasons not to save them:

-Some people dislike the asari because Liara is a better developed LI than Tali. Wait, that's not a reason. Liara is the most onboxious character in the series, but that's still not the only reason why people hate Asari.

Yeah, scrap it, I can't say there's any good reason to sacrifice the asari over another species in the galaxy.

 
Fixed that for you:D

[dublin omega 223]

I'd sacrifice the Asari, Call it Karma for them keeping the beacon on Thessia for themselves. The first Asari to die would be Liara, as in ME3 she was annoying, though if there is an option to save Aria I'd do it as Aria was cool.

[KaiserShep]

It's not really sacrifice if you want them to die.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 juillet 2013 - 01:56 .

[dorktainian]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I'd sacrifice the Asari, Call it Karma for them keeping the beacon on Thessia for themselves. The first Asari to die would be Liara, as in ME3 she was annoying, though if there is an option to save Aria I'd do it as Aria was cool.

    



Well said.   

[KaiserShep]

Karma is a funky mistress if a scummy crime lord like Aria gets to live through it all.

[dublin omega 223]

dorktainian wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I'd sacrifice the Asari, Call it Karma for them keeping the beacon on Thessia for themselves. The first Asari to die would be Liara, as in ME3 she was annoying, though if there is an option to save Aria I'd do it as Aria was cool.

    



Well said.   

Glad you agree and luckily my nephews also agree with me.

[dublin omega 223]

KaiserShep wrote...

Karma is a funky mistress if a scummy crime lord like Aria gets to live through it all.

Well Karma is a tricky thing I know that better than anyone.

[dorktainian]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I'd sacrifice the Asari, Call it Karma for them keeping the beacon on Thessia for themselves. The first Asari to die would be Liara, as in ME3 she was annoying, though if there is an option to save Aria I'd do it as Aria was cool.

    



Well said.   

Glad you agree and luckily my nephews also agree with me.

hell I wouldnt have rescued her in the first place.  

[KaiserShep]

Much like the car bearing the same name, karma doesn't really work that well.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 juillet 2013 - 02:04 .

[dublin omega 223]

dorktainian wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I'd sacrifice the Asari, Call it Karma for them keeping the beacon on Thessia for themselves. The first Asari to die would be Liara, as in ME3 she was annoying, though if there is an option to save Aria I'd do it as Aria was cool.

    



Well said.   

Glad you agree and luckily my nephews also agree with me.

hell I wouldnt have rescued her in the first place.  

If I could get rid of Liara as a squadmate in ME3 I would or throw her out the airlock and replace her with someone cooler like Kasumi for example.

[Sir DeLoria]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...
I'd sacrifice the Asari, Call it Karma for them keeping the beacon on Thessia for themselves. The first Asari to die would be Liara, as in ME3 she was annoying, though if there is an option to save Aria I'd do it as Aria was cool.

    
Well said.   

Glad you agree and luckily my nephews also agree with me.

hell I wouldnt have rescued her in the first place.  

If I could get rid of Liara as a squadmate in ME3 I would or throw her out the airlock and replace her with someone cooler like Kasumi for example.

I wish we could've trade Liara for Kal'Reegar.

[dublin omega 223]

Necanor wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...
I'd sacrifice the Asari, Call it Karma for them keeping the beacon on Thessia for themselves. The first Asari to die would be Liara, as in ME3 she was annoying, though if there is an option to save Aria I'd do it as Aria was cool.

    
Well said.   

Glad you agree and luckily my nephews also agree with me.

hell I wouldnt have rescued her in the first place.  

If I could get rid of Liara as a squadmate in ME3 I would or throw her out the airlock and replace her with someone cooler like Kasumi for example.

I wish we could've trade Liara for Kal'Reegar.

True and also replace her as Shadow Broker with someone more compentant like Traynor.

[KaiserShep]

I'll never understand what people see in the Kasumi character. I don't hate her or anything, but she doesn't really have a character to speak of. The most you get is her pining over Kaiji, but then it's over. Kal'Reegar will always be my favorite Quarian. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 juillet 2013 - 02:10 .

[dublin omega 223]

KaiserShep wrote...

I'll never understand what people see in the Kasumi character. I don't hate her or anything, but she doesn't really have a character to speak of. The most you get is her pining over Kaiji, but then it's over. Kal'Reegar will always be my favorite Quarian. 

I thought her character overall was interesting and she could have been a great squadmate in ME3 sadly that didn't happen.

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

I'll never understand what people see in the Kasumi character. I don't hate her or anything, but she doesn't really have a character to speak of. The most you get is her pining over Kaiji, but then it's over. Kal'Reegar will always be my favorite Quarian. 

Kasumi is a kleptomaniac Japanese girl and...well that's it. It's true, she doesn't have the most elaborate character.

Traynor was a pain in the *ss, just like Allers and Chambers.

[KaiserShep]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I thought her character overall was interesting and she could have been a great squadmate in ME3 sadly that didn't happen.

I would've preferred that this be optional if it's to happen at all. More than likely I'd simply refuse to have her back on the Normandy. She never did strike me as a good fit to begin with. The one and only ME2 squadmate I'd ever really care to get back on the ship is Miranda, since she was the only truly competent one among them. 

Necanor wrote...

Traynor was a pain in the *ss, just like Allers and Chambers.

Man, some people sure are hard to please. What is it about Traynor or even Chambers that make them pains in the ass? I guess I can see Allers, but the ironic thing about all this hate towards this character is that she's completely avoidable. She might be in the background when entering the Normandy dock, but that's really the extent of it if you don't want her on the ship at all. 

[HellbirdIV]

Necanor wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

That's why I did sacrifice the quarians in my original playthrough - fewest amount of lives lost.

Fewest amount of lives lost? Right 17 million civilians, a whole race, is nothing<_<

I'm sure choosing the evil genocidal robots over the space Bedouins is a moral choice.

The Geth become fully sapient independent souls with the Reaper code upgrade. Even if we assume that only applies to individual platforms and not the individual programs, they still outnumber the quarians by an order of magnitude.

Add to that the fact that the quarians are stupid, short-sighted and inept for starting the war in the first place, and it's not much of a choice at all.

KaiserShep wrote...

If it came down to weighing the value of my own species to
others, things like their biotics, mental capacity and even technology
may not really be as big a concern anymore, because in the end, those
are just details. Sacrificing humanity to save the rest is not what I
would call an easy decision. The numbers might not actually be enough to
convince me.

Except, what does "humanity" mean? To you, or to anybody? Humans are among the least valuable of the major species - others like the hanar and elcor are even less useful, but then, no-one expects them to fight the Reapers directly - and the ruthless calculus of war means that, if it will improve our chances of winning the war, then they gots to go.

It's why I said I wouldn't sacrifice the asari over any other species - it presupposes there's a choice involved, ala Geth vs. Quarians. If sacrificing the asari was the only way to stop the Reapers, like the Destroy ending? Then obviously I would.

But we can't save humanity by sacrificing that which makes us human. That includes compassion and self-sacrifice.

Sumthing wrote...

Well,
the Asari are egotistical from my point of view. They kept a Prothean
artefact hidden from the rest of the galaxy in order to maintain their
own superiority. They refused to help the rest of the Galaxy fight the
reapers until they where facing them down themselves.

So? They're still the best chance for winning the war.

Liara could kick a puppy in the balls every time she gets on and off the ship, and I'd still sacrifice anyone else on the crew before her, because she has Singularity and that ability seriously just wrecks everything.

Sumthing wrote...

The most
experienced soldiers and commanders are probably Turians, or Krogan, not
Asari. The Krogan are biologically built to be soldiers.

No, turians don't live any longer than humans. Your average asari commando has about 300-400 years worth of experience under their belt, whereas a turian would die before hitting 200.

Experienced krogan are rare, like Wrex. Dying species, remember?

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 09 juillet 2013 - 04:22 .

[The Night Mammoth]

I don't understand.

The whole asari species, like billions of people, deserve to die, because a very small handful of them did something wrong.

Does that mean humanity deserves extinction because of Cerberus? Or the geth because of the heretics? Or the quarians because of the pro-war faction which almost got their people annihilated? Or the V=volus because of that one guy who broke the law on Illium?

Eh. That's enough internet for today. Too much armchair morality. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 09 juillet 2013 - 04:25 .

[HellbirdIV]

StreetMagic wrote...

 I want jumping Asari everywhere.

Boing. Boing. Boing.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 09 juillet 2013 - 04:23 .