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[Zeldrik1389]

Seriously though, you need to pay more attention to the game. Sure, some young Asari are strippers, or dancer, but not all of them. There are Asari who chose to be mercenaries, or scientists, schoolar, artist, or office workers, bartender... etc. And in ME 2, during Samara loyal quest, an Asari dancer even yelled at a Turian that she's just a dancer, not a hooker. They are not different than Human. Look at our young generations, there are tons of young girls join the stripper club, or pornographic business. It doesnt mean all of our young girls do that. Just a small part of a group. And you think that they enter their mommy time right after "stripper" state is gross? Look at human, do you know what MILF mean? yeah, there are human moms, even grannies still making porn clip. Which race is the gross one now?

[David7204]

'Perfect' does not many 'Mary-Sue.' Nor does it mean 'boring' or 'bad writing.' When people assume it does, what you often get is people listing good traits and flaws of characters and declaring that if the lists have the same number of entries, then the character is well-written.

It doesn't help that the supposed flaws are usually pretty stupid. For example, people saying that a character becoming angry when anger is perfectly justified is a flaw. I hear the word 'stubborn' come up a lot.

Modifié par David7204, 31 mars 2013 - 09:46 .

[Kel Riever]

I guess if the end was worthwhile, this might be something to think about. As it is, since BioWare really didn't do their job, the hypotheticals are less interesting to consider, as well...

[PwrdOff]

I want to see some salarian strippers. You can't spell dalatrass without dat ass!

[SinerAthin]

Asari vs any race?

I'd probably pick the Asari for the most part, like if it was Asari vs Drell, Vorcha, Yahg, Krogan etc.

But if it was Asari vs Humanity, it would be bye-bye Asari, good luck in the abyss! Can't betray my own race...

Modifié par SinerAthin, 31 mars 2013 - 10:12 .

[RogueBot]

Although I'd prefer to sacrifice them over any other species, they're really not that bad.

I mean, a race of bisexual alien women with a fetish for straying outside their species? Sure, they're boring, but it's not like Bioware didn't give us something to like.

Modifié par RogueBot, 31 mars 2013 - 10:18 .

[Wulfram]

I think the writing of the Asari ended up being rather screwed up.

I mean they started out rather too good - if you look at their depiction in ME1 they are kind of good at everything, as well as being about the "nicest" race out there too. And also hot blue alien space babes.

Bioware clearly recognised it, so they started "deconstructing" them. Problem is, in the end that left them as a distinctly negative stereotype of femininity - a bunch of strippers who can't defend themselves and talk to much, whose achievements are all down to the gifts of the Protheans, without any actual virtues the game cares to acknowledge beyond being hot.

[PwrdOff]

Wulfram wrote...

I think the writing of the Asari ended up being rather screwed up.

I mean they started out rather too good - if you look at their depiction in ME1 they are kind of good at everything, as well as being about the "nicest" race out there too. And also hot blue alien space babes.

Bioware clearly recognised it, so they started "deconstructing" them. Problem is, in the end that left them as a distinctly negative stereotype of femininity - a bunch of strippers who can't defend themselves and talk to much, whose achievements are all down to the gifts of the Protheans, without any actual virtues the game cares to acknowledge beyond being hot.

You can put a positive spin on that message too though, with the idea being that no society can ever develop properly without input from both males and females.  I think the asari parallel the krogan fairly well, they're both so busy touting their own virtues they fail to notice the rest of the galaxy laughing at them.  Unfortunately for the asari, there's no genophage cure that's going to fix their problems.

[schebobo]

If there were male asari would the level of asari hate be the same?

[Xilizhra]

BNN999 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I think the writing of the Asari ended up being rather screwed up.

I mean they started out rather too good - if you look at their depiction in ME1 they are kind of good at everything, as well as being about the "nicest" race out there too. And also hot blue alien space babes.

Bioware clearly recognised it, so they started "deconstructing" them. Problem is, in the end that left them as a distinctly negative stereotype of femininity - a bunch of strippers who can't defend themselves and talk to much, whose achievements are all down to the gifts of the Protheans, without any actual virtues the game cares to acknowledge beyond being hot.

You can put a positive spin on that message too though, with the idea being that no society can ever develop properly without input from both males and females.  I think the asari parallel the krogan fairly well, they're both so busy touting their own virtues they fail to notice the rest of the galaxy laughing at them.  Unfortunately for the asari, there's no genophage cure that's going to fix their problems.

But that isn't a positive message at all. The asari don't have men; biologically speaking, they have no need for them or their perspective to prosper. That is, in fact, an incredibly negative message, as well as a distinctly anthopocentric one. In any case, they don't talk too much at all; their diplomatic and cultural achievements are second to none, and it's made the galaxy work out really rather well; proportionally speaking, the galaxy as a whole seems to be somewhat better than modern Earth, and this is largely due to asari accomplishments.

[BronzTrooper]

It really depends on the circumstances.

Asari vs. Geth? Asari

Asari vs. Quarians? Quarians (I am a Talimancer after all)

Asari vs. Turians? Turians

Asari vs. Krogan? Krogan

Asari vs. Salarians? Asari

Asari vs. Vorcha? Asari

Asari vs. Batarians? Hmm... Asari

Asari vs. Terminus fleets? Terminus

Asari vs. two or more species? Forget the Asari.

In my mind, the Asari aren't worth more than any two races.

[Xilizhra]

In my mind, the Asari aren't worth more than any two races.

If both races combined had a lower population than the asari... I may sacrifice the two.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I honestly hate the asari. But I'm not going to kill them off.

[ReptileSmile]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

They were written to be a fantasy, not a species, created by straight men to be better women than women. I am insulted by their very existence.

Thank you for putting my exact thoughts so succinctly.

I would happily let them die in the place of any of the other races.

[sesheta255]

I'd quite happily let the asari die just like the quarians.

Modifié par sesheta255, 01 avril 2013 - 12:20 .

[MetioricTest]

I can't believe people are using "This race had flaws and used deception" as a complaint about BAD writing.

Making the Asari not perfect was good writing, and they did it well. It made them more interesting.

You could make a very serious argument over whether or not the Asari are the greatest race/culture in the lore and this thread alone is proof of it

[M Hedonist]

I wouldn't sacrifice any species.

[David7204]

I wonder if any of the people here gleefully announcing how eagerly they would commit complete genocide are the same people who complain that the ending 'forces' them to the same thing on the basis that genocide is wrong.

Modifié par David7204, 01 avril 2013 - 12:24 .

[RogueBot]

David7204 wrote...

I wonder if any of the people here gleefully announcing how eagerly they would commit complete genocide are the same people who complain that the ending 'forces' them to the same thing on the basis that genocide is wrong.

Probably, but can you blame them? It's an entirely different situation.

[Barquiel]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...


Seriously though, you need to pay more attention to the game. Sure, some young Asari are strippers, or dancer, but not all of them. There are Asari who chose to be mercenaries, or scientists, schoolar, artist, or office workers, bartender... etc. And in ME 2, during Samara loyal quest, an Asari dancer even yelled at a Turian that she's just a dancer, not a hooker. They are not different than Human. Look at our young generations, there are tons of young girls join the stripper club, or pornographic business. It doesnt mean all of our young girls do that. Just a small part of a group. And you think that they enter their mommy time right after "stripper" state is gross? Look at human, do you know what MILF mean? yeah, there are human moms, even grannies still making porn clip. Which race is the gross one now?

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Yes, we see some asari dancers (in places where you'd expect them, like Choras's Den or Aria's club). But 95% of the asari in the series are quite modestly dressed. Apart from the strippers, Benezia and Samara, most of them don't even show cleavage. Liara is also one of the few female characters to wear real armor.

Could their culture be more fleshed out? Sure! But the same can be said about all the other alien races. Asari, Krogan and Quarians are probably even the most fleshed out races in the series.

[L2 Sentinel]

I sacrificed the geth for the sake of the galaxy, and I like the geth better than the asari.

[Megaton_Hope]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

And it still doesn't explain why the Protheans decided to uplift them in the first place, the implication being because they're perfect beautiful fantasy babes and even in their primitive stages the Protheans wanted to tap that.

I would say that you're projecting quite a bit, here. The Salarians are considering uplifting the Yahg (and the first Shadow Broker did uplift a Yahg) because they are physically formidable, ditto for the Krogans. The Asari naturally lived up to a thousand years before the Protheans came along; it's not unrealistic to see that, and their ability to commune directly mind-to-mind, as desirable traits alone.

The Maiden-Matron-Matriarch thing is just an abstraction from the way humans age, and I wouldn't place any particular emphasis on it. Maidens are also seen engaged in archaeological excavation and working as mercenaries. Matriarchs are also seen tending bar or working as spies.

The whole Asari exotic dancer deal is pretty sordid, and I can see being offended by it easily enough. Not to mention the mammaries, which as apparent non-mammals they should have no need of. All very prurient alien design attitudes.

[Xilizhra]

The whole Asari exotic dancer deal is pretty sordid, and I can see being offended by it easily enough. Not to mention the mammaries, which as apparent non-mammals they should have no need of. All very prurient alien design attitudes.

Er, asari are mammals. Rather obviously, really. They even have hair, although this only appears as eyelashes in the species.

[Su37]

The asari are the vermin of the galaxy.

Kill them all.

[Astartes Marine]

The Asari are my LEAST favorite species in the series...so it is at the least very tempting.