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[HolyAvenger]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

And it still doesn't explain why the Protheans decided to uplift them in the first place, the implication being because they're perfect beautiful fantasy babes and even in their primitive stages the Protheans wanted to tap that.

I would say that you're projecting quite a bit, here. The Salarians are considering uplifting the Yahg (and the first Shadow Broker did uplift a Yahg) because they are physically formidable, ditto for the Krogans. The Asari naturally lived up to a thousand years before the Protheans came along; it's not unrealistic to see that, and their ability to commune directly mind-to-mind, as desirable traits alone. 

 

Not to mention their inherent biotic capabilities thanks to eezo-rich Thessia.

[Bleachrude]

I think the problem is people can't separate the "government" from the people.

We know for a fact that most asari don't know about the beacon...neither samara or aethya (both matriarchs) or liara or even the commando you first interact with on thessia knows anything about the beacon.

So it's hard to blame an entire race for what only a few individuals did...

re: asari dominance
Weirdly, I think this is a _GOOD_ thing. Javik mentions that the protheans expected the asari to be the protheans of this cycle but the asari just aren't EVIL enough to do that...

Let's face it...if the beacon had been on earth, tuchanka or palaven, does anyone doubt that the humans, krogans and turians would military dominate the rest of the galaxy....seriously look at human history and tell me with a straight face we wouldn't have gone all Manifest Destiny on the rest of the galaxy.

It should ALSO be noted that the protheans are partly to blame...there's no indication that the asari HAD access to the beacon in a manner that they could talk to it...indeed, the VI inside only activates once it detects the cipher (or Javik).

There's no reason to believe that the asari knew about the reapers...

[Megaton_Hope]

Xilizhra wrote...

The whole Asari exotic dancer deal is pretty sordid, and I can see being offended by it easily enough. Not to mention the mammaries, which as apparent non-mammals they should have no need of. All very prurient alien design attitudes.

Er, asari are mammals. Rather obviously, really. They even have hair, although this only appears as eyelashes in the species.

A lot of things are never established, and therefore left to the imagination. Including how Asari bear young (one might assume viviparously, they never talk about egg clutches like Salarians do) and how they feed their young. All that's ever described is the way they conceive, apparently by interfacing nervous systems and using information gleaned from the partner's mind to rearrange alleles in a set of their own genes while they reproduce parthenogenetically.

Wouldn't be responsible to speculate on the function of portions of an alien species' anatomy. Who knows what they use those round things for.

[Ledgend1221]

Bleachrude wrote...

I think the problem is people can't separate the "government" from the people.

We know for a fact that most asari don't know about the beacon...neither samara or aethya (both matriarchs) or liara or even the commando you first interact with on thessia knows anything about the beacon.

So it's hard to blame an entire race for what only a few individuals did...

re: asari dominance
Weirdly, I think this is a _GOOD_ thing. Javik mentions that the protheans expected the asari to be the protheans of this cycle but the asari just aren't EVIL enough to do that...

Let's face it...if the beacon had been on earth, tuchanka or palaven, does anyone doubt that the humans, krogans and turians would military dominate the rest of the galaxy....seriously look at human history and tell me with a straight face we wouldn't have gone all Manifest Destiny on the rest of the galaxy.

It should ALSO be noted that the protheans are partly to blame...there's no indication that the asari HAD access to the beacon in a manner that they could talk to it...indeed, the VI inside only activates once it detects the cipher (or Javik).

There's no reason to believe that the asari knew about the reapers...

Eden prime, Mars.

[AlexMBrennan]

Eden prime, Mars.

Is one guy's hallucination without any corroborating evidence. Whilst it happens to have been the truth doubt is very much appropriate.

[Ryzaki]

Filament wrote...

Do I really need a reason to sacrifice asari?

This.

I'd save the batarains over them.

[Xilizhra]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The whole Asari exotic dancer deal is pretty sordid, and I can see being offended by it easily enough. Not to mention the mammaries, which as apparent non-mammals they should have no need of. All very prurient alien design attitudes.

Er, asari are mammals. Rather obviously, really. They even have hair, although this only appears as eyelashes in the species.

A lot of things are never established, and therefore left to the imagination. Including how Asari bear young (one might assume viviparously, they never talk about egg clutches like Salarians do) and how they feed their young. All that's ever described is the way they conceive, apparently by interfacing nervous systems and using information gleaned from the partner's mind to rearrange alleles in a set of their own genes while they reproduce parthenogenetically.

Wouldn't be responsible to speculate on the function of portions of an alien species' anatomy. Who knows what they use those round things for.

So first, you say that there's no reason for non-mammals to have mammaries... then you say that they might be used for anything and it's not responsible to speculate?

[Megaton_Hope]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Not to mention their inherent biotic capabilities thanks to eezo-rich Thessia.

Allegedly, that's part of the "uplift." Although that it was possible may also be a point in favor of uplifting the Asari. Our version seems not to have quite the same results.

[Megaton_Hope]

Xilizhra wrote...

So first, you say that there's no reason for non-mammals to have mammaries... then you say that they might be used for anything and it's not responsible to speculate?

Well look, why do you say they're "obviously" mammals? If I had to categorize them as being similar to any earth species, I would probably lean more toward reptiles than humans, unusual superficial resemblance between two alien species aside.

[Barquiel]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

I think the problem is people can't separate the "government" from the people.

We know for a fact that most asari don't know about the beacon...neither samara or aethya (both matriarchs) or liara or even the commando you first interact with on thessia knows anything about the beacon.

So it's hard to blame an entire race for what only a few individuals did...

re: asari dominance
Weirdly, I think this is a _GOOD_ thing. Javik mentions that the protheans expected the asari to be the protheans of this cycle but the asari just aren't EVIL enough to do that...

Let's face it...if the beacon had been on earth, tuchanka or palaven, does anyone doubt that the humans, krogans and turians would military dominate the rest of the galaxy....seriously look at human history and tell me with a straight face we wouldn't have gone all Manifest Destiny on the rest of the galaxy.

It should ALSO be noted that the protheans are partly to blame...there's no indication that the asari HAD access to the beacon in a manner that they could talk to it...indeed, the VI inside only activates once it detects the cipher (or Javik).

There's no reason to believe that the asari knew about the reapers...

Eden prime, Mars.

The Asari didn't know about the Reapers, even those who studied the beacon. It's been mentioned several times in the game that they couldn't activate it. Take for example Benezia...she knew about the beacon, and she thought Sovereign was simply Saren's ship. She always thought Saren was the real threat.

Modifié par Barquiel, 01 avril 2013 - 01:38 .

[Bleachrude]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Eden prime, Mars.

Not sure what you mean here....without the cipher from the Thorian, the beacon images cant be understood and Mars beacon wasn't known to be that extensive. Remember, the biggest boost for humans WASN'T the beacon at Mars but the base, refined eezo and the multiple starships that were there...

People forget that the mars cache wasn't JUST a singular beacon a la Eden prime/Athame temple but an entire research base with ships.

Humanity hit the motherlode of prothean finds compared to many of the other races.

[Xilizhra]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So first, you say that there's no reason for non-mammals to have mammaries... then you say that they might be used for anything and it's not responsible to speculate?

Well look, why do you say they're "obviously" mammals? If I had to categorize them as being similar to any earth species, I would probably lean more toward reptiles than humans, unusual superficial resemblance between two alien species aside.

To me, they most resemble humanoid dolphins. Certainly they seem rather aquatic in design, what with the streamlined head.

[Bleachrude]

Xilizhra wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So first, you say that there's no reason for non-mammals to have mammaries... then you say that they might be used for anything and it's not responsible to speculate?

Well look, why do you say they're "obviously" mammals? If I had to categorize them as being similar to any earth species, I would probably lean more toward reptiles than humans, unusual superficial resemblance between two alien species aside.

To me, they most resemble humanoid dolphins. Certainly they seem rather aquatic in design, what with the streamlined head.

Well, they should...Aren't asari classifed as an aquatic species that moved to the land?

[DeinonSlayer]

spirosz wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

They were written to be a fantasy, not a species, created by straight men to be better women than women. I am insulted by their very existence.

That perfectly describes the Asari, thank you for putting it so succinctly.

[ForThessia]

SU37 wrote...

The asari are the vermin of the galaxy.

Kill them all.

Says the Suit Rat:whistle:

[Saito404]

Sacrifice with no regret.

[Han Shot First]

Why would anyone chose to save a single species over the rest of the galaxy?

At any rate I'm glad this sort of scenario didn't make it into the game. The series does not need instances were the main character is forced to annihilate whole species or can't prevent other people from doing it. Having different species being annihilated also submarines any chances for a sequel, as you'd then have whole factions that would be missing and too many variables to account for.

[Artifex_Imperius]

ForThessia wrote...

SU37 wrote...

The asari are the vermin of the galaxy.

Kill them all.

Says the Suit Rat:whistle:

this!

[Skvindt]

Just think of all the tail you would get if you saved them.

I would save the Asari without any hesitation at all.

[PwrdOff]

Han Shot First wrote...

Why would anyone chose to save a single species over the rest of the galaxy?

At any rate I'm glad this sort of scenario didn't make it into the game. The series does not need instances were the main character is forced to annihilate whole species or can't prevent other people from doing it. Having different species being annihilated also submarines any chances for a sequel, as you'd then have whole factions that would be missing and too many variables to account for.

I take it you didn't pick Destroy?

[Steelcan]

Thessia in my control Shepard.

[Barquiel]

BNN999 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Why would anyone chose to save a single species over the rest of the galaxy?

At any rate I'm glad this sort of scenario didn't make it into the game. The series does not need instances were the main character is forced to annihilate whole species or can't prevent other people from doing it. Having different species being annihilated also submarines any chances for a sequel, as you'd then have whole factions that would be missing and too many variables to account for.

I take it you didn't pick Destroy?

The problem is that once you have the option to wipe out a species, it is gone forever as major race in the ME universe unless they canonize an ending. Look at the rachni and their treatment in ME3.

Rannoch is a lifeless rock in my main game (both geth and quarians are wiped out). Some people have only the
geth surviving, some people chose the quarians and in other universes Quarians and Geth live peacefully on Rannoch. I think that would make any Rannoch-Geth-Quarian story arc impossible in a possible sequel.

Modifié par Barquiel, 01 avril 2013 - 02:47 .

[Artifex_Imperius]

Steelcan wrote...

Thessia in my control Shepard.

Hmm... are those reapers exploding.

thessia is kinda blue looks like earth to me? lol

[TheBlackBaron]

One race versus the rest of the galaxy.

Yeah, that's a toughie.

EDIT: To actually be constructive, sure, I'd save the asari over the vorcha, and certainly the batarians in the Reaper War period, and probably before that too since I value an erstwhile friendly nation over a rogue "third-galaxy" state that sponsors terrorism. Everybody else? Nah. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 01 avril 2013 - 02:59 .