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[Ticonderoga117]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Eden prime, Mars.

Is one guy's hallucination without any corroborating evidence. Whilst it happens to have been the truth doubt is very much appropriate.

Two kilometers of sentient starship is no longer "corroborating evidence"? I mean sure, it's in a bunch of smaller pieces now, but that's not an issue.

Nevermind the idea that since the prothean AI was no doubt programed to go "YO! You need to build this thingy right quick to save the galaxy! Here's how you can get there from here." because to assume otherwise would make whoever programmed the dang thing a colossal idiot, means they did know, scoffed at the idea continuously, and doomed billions to die.

Oh, they are SO going!

[Lparsons7641]

pprrff wrote...

ThinkSharp wrote...

She'd always help repopulate?

milkytoast wrote...

I think this debate is rendered moot, by how hard Asari are to exterminate. If it was Liara in statsis instead of Jarvik, the Asari could repopulate way to easily. Since every race seems to find them attractive it is only easier from there.

She can mate with thousands of different individuals through out her long life, have a crazy amount of babies, and then those babies could do the same thing.

I am pretty sure within a generation or two, the asari will be back.

With no genetic diversity. It wouldn't really "bring back" an entire species.

[remydat]

Dem ****es tried to act all smart and **** come to find out they were hiding a Prothean Beacon from the rest of the galaxy. I choose everyone else.

[Callibrate Me]

Bleachrude wrote...

re: asari dominance
Weirdly, I think this is a _GOOD_ thing. Javik mentions that the protheans expected the asari to be the protheans of this cycle but the asari just aren't EVIL enough to do that...

Yeah but after Liara leaves you can ask Javik if he meant any of the stuff he said about the Protheans putting their faith in the Asari and he scoffs. He was just trying to calm Liara down and get her out of his face. He told her what she wanted/needed to hear so that she could feel good about her race again.

[Bleachrude]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Eden prime, Mars.

Is one guy's hallucination without any corroborating evidence. Whilst it happens to have been the truth doubt is very much appropriate.

Two kilometers of sentient starship is no longer "corroborating evidence"? I mean sure, it's in a bunch of smaller pieces now, but that's not an issue.

Nevermind the idea that since the prothean AI was no doubt programed to go "YO! You need to build this thingy right quick to save the galaxy! Here's how you can get there from here." because to assume otherwise would make whoever programmed the dang thing a colossal idiot, means they did know, scoffed at the idea continuously, and doomed billions to die.

Oh, they are SO going!

Um..did you NOT notice in ME3 that the prothean VI didn't respond until the cipher or javik were in the room?

Again, there's no indication that the asari knew anything about the reapers until they showed up in ME3.

[Red Panda]

Bleachrude wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Eden prime, Mars.

Is one guy's hallucination without any corroborating evidence. Whilst it happens to have been the truth doubt is very much appropriate.

Two kilometers of sentient starship is no longer "corroborating evidence"? I mean sure, it's in a bunch of smaller pieces now, but that's not an issue.

Nevermind the idea that since the prothean AI was no doubt programed to go "YO! You need to build this thingy right quick to save the galaxy! Here's how you can get there from here." because to assume otherwise would make whoever programmed the dang thing a colossal idiot, means they did know, scoffed at the idea continuously, and doomed billions to die.

Oh, they are SO going!

Um..did you NOT notice in ME3 that the prothean VI didn't respond until the cipher or javik were in the room?

Again, there's no indication that the asari knew anything about the reapers until they showed up in ME3.

Yet, Cerberus gets it to talk.

I'm a wee bit skeptical.

[Xilizhra]

Yet, Cerberus gets it to talk.

I'm a wee bit skeptical.

Cerberus had Reaper-level hacking abilities, as well as a knowledge of Prothean communication protocols that the asari government would not possess.

[Barquiel]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Eden prime, Mars.

Is one guy's hallucination without any corroborating evidence. Whilst it happens to have been the truth doubt is very much appropriate.

Two kilometers of sentient starship is no longer "corroborating evidence"? I mean sure, it's in a bunch of smaller pieces now, but that's not an issue.

Nevermind the idea that since the prothean AI was no doubt programed to go "YO! You need to build this thingy right quick to save the galaxy! Here's how you can get there from here." because to assume otherwise would make whoever programmed the dang thing a colossal idiot, means they did know, scoffed at the idea continuously, and doomed billions to die.

Oh, they are SO going!

Um..did you NOT notice in ME3 that the prothean VI didn't respond until the cipher or javik were in the room?

Again, there's no indication that the asari knew anything about the reapers until they showed up in ME3.

Yet, Cerberus gets it to talk.

I'm a wee bit skeptical.

Well, the beacon didn't activate because it would only respond to a prothean or someone with the cipher like Shepard. This is specifically stated in game. Shepard, Liara and Javik (if present) discuss this in the temple. It is also obvious the VI is activated for the first time. EDI and Liara confirm this after the mission as well. Benezia (who knew about the beacon) didn't know anything about the reapers either.

When Javik moans at Shepard for not heeding the Protheans warnings, Shepard even says that no one could understand them, as they were not evolved to the same mental capability of the Protheans. And there's no guarantee that its creators knew about the Thorian.

And yes, that leads to three equally stupid possibilities.

- The asari did know about the Reapers. Problem: Shepard, Liara, Javik and EDI are wrong. Benezia was lying (or thought Saren is a way bigger threat than a reaper invasion). And the vendetta VI is also talking nonsense.

- The asari didn't get any information out of the beacon. Then why is everyone saying that the asari are only advanced because of the beacon? It is possible that they have been deriving their technological head start simply from studying the operation of the beacon, rather than actually accessing the information it contained. That's still the most likely explanation, imo.

- The asari got technology, but not the reaper warning. Why would the VI grant technological advances to the asari without warning them about the Reapers? That would also make protheans complete morons.

Modifié par Barquiel, 01 avril 2013 - 04:02 .

[Han Shot First]

Bleachrude wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So first, you say that there's no reason for non-mammals to have mammaries... then you say that they might be used for anything and it's not responsible to speculate?

Well look, why do you say they're "obviously" mammals? If I had to categorize them as being similar to any earth species, I would probably lean more toward reptiles than humans, unusual superficial resemblance between two alien species aside.

To me, they most resemble humanoid dolphins. Certainly they seem rather aquatic in design, what with the streamlined head.

Well, they should...Aren't asari classifed as an aquatic species that moved to the land?

The artist who designed the Asari said he used aquatic species as an inspiration. But what an artist used as inspiration shouldn't be taken as canon commentary on the species origins.

Actually considering how similar the Asari are to humans in build, it is all but guaranteed that their ancestors lived and hunted in much the same fashion as early humans. If they didn't, they wouldn't have evolved the same physical traits.

Although people tend to view our species as being physically weak compared to other apex predators in the animal kingdom, we are actually perfectly designed by nature for persistence hunting. While some animals might use size and strengh and ambush tactics to bring down their prey, humans evolved to run down their prey over long distances. Basically we are designed by nature to chase prey across long distances, until that prey collapses from exhaustion. While many species are stronger or faster than humans, few can match us for sheer endurance.

That the Asari have similar body shapes as humans means that their species would have had to evolve as land based persistence hunters, just like humans. Of course that doesn't necessarily rule out aquatic origins deep in the Asari's evolutionary past. After all if you go back far enough on humanity's evolutionary tree, you'll eventually find aquatic species as well.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 avril 2013 - 03:52 .

[Bleachrude]

Barquiel wrote...

- The asari did know about the Reapers. Problem: Shepard, Liara, Javik and EDI are wrong. Benezia was lying (or thought Saren is a way bigger threat than a reaper invasion). And the vendetta VI is also talking nonsense.

- The asari didn't get any information out of the beacon. Then why is everyone saying that the asari are only advanced because of the beacon? It is possible that they have been deriving their technological head start simply from studying the operation of the beacon, rather than actually accessing the information it contained. That's the most likely explanation, imo.

- The asari got technology, but not the reaper warning. Why would the VI grant technological advances to the asari without warning them about the Reapers? That would also make protheans complete morons.

The last one might not be THAT stupid as it assumes that the prothean VI controls ALL information released from the VI. It might be possible to access specific parts of the beacon without awakening/touching other parts of the memory core.

Of course, this still makes protheans idiots for that, but then again, in the prothean cycle, there might've been an assumption that ANY species that become space faring would automatically have that feature....

IIRC, it was assumed that any tool using race would have to have extremities on their bodies to manipulate their environment but in the last 20 years, porpoise and whale researchers have shown that aquatic mammals can and do make use of tools.

Might be the same thing...

[Zazzerka]

At what point will this kind of thread peak?

"WOULD YOU SACRIFICE THE ENTIRE GALAXY FOR THE LAST SLICE OF PIZZA!!??"

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Are you a homosexual?

Asari<Everything except Humans

[Xilizhra]

Are you a homosexual?

Yes.

[PwrdOff]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

At what point will this kind of thread peak?

"WOULD YOU SACRIFICE THE ENTIRE GALAXY FOR THE LAST SLICE OF PIZZA!!??"

Is it double pepperoni?

[Ravensword]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I would like to let the asari join the rachni and geth in the extinction club.

That's just wrong. You can't kill the Rachni. The Reapers will pull them out of their ass for you if you decided to kill them.

[Seboist]

I wish I could trade the extinction of the Locust from Gears of War 3 with the Asari in ME3.

[Ravensword]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I would like to let the asari join the rachni and geth in the extinction club.

That's just wrong. You can't kill the Rachni. The Reapers will pull them out of their ass for you if you decided to kill them.

Well, I killed that one too, so it's all good now. At least until Bioware pulls another one out of their ass for ME4.

But you still had to deal w/ Ravagers. I'm half expecting there to be some sort of hidden rachni colony in ME4.

[Seboist]

Ravensword wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I would like to let the asari join the rachni and geth in the extinction club.

That's just wrong. You can't kill the Rachni. The Reapers will pull them out of their ass for you if you decided to kill them.

Well, I killed that one too, so it's all good now. At least until Bioware pulls another one out of their ass for ME4.

But you still had to deal w/ Ravagers. I'm half expecting there to be some sort of hidden rachni colony in ME4.

The devs through Javik all but tell you your choices with the Rachni mean jack since he talks about how they wiped out the Rachni but they still came back.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Did you notice how the woman in the Stargazer scene in the Refuse ending looks exactly like an Asari? Ha! Ha! Asari are like the Rachni. They will always come back. Even the Reapers couldn't wipe them out. What chance do you have?

[TheBlackBaron]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

At what point will this kind of thread peak?

"WOULD YOU SACRIFICE THE ENTIRE GALAXY FOR THE LAST SLICE OF PIZZA!!??"

Do I get my choice of toppings?

[Archonsg]

Depends.
My paragon/Paragade and most Renegon would want to save them.

However my Renegade / some renegons would say "Let them BURN! They had a working beacon for ages and they did nothing?!"

[Megaton_Hope]

Han Shot First wrote...

Actually considering how similar the Asari are to humans in build, it is all but guaranteed that their ancestors lived and hunted in much the same fashion as early humans. If they didn't, they wouldn't have evolved the same physical traits.

Although people tend to view our species as being physically weak compared to other apex predators in the animal kingdom, we are actually perfectly designed by nature for persistence hunting. While some animals might use size and strengh and ambush tactics to bring down their prey, humans evolved to run down their prey over long distances. Basically we are designed by nature to chase prey across long distances, until that prey collapses from exhaustion. While many species are stronger or faster than humans, few can match us for sheer endurance.

Seems to be based on a flawed premise. The Khoi San actually subsist primarily on what the women gather, especially the very nutritious Mongongo nut, rather than what the men hunt. Hunting is actually an unreliable method for acquiring food - hunting brings in a large amount of food, all at once, which has to be distributed before it spoils; catches may be few and far between in a season. Gathering more reliably provides food, and gathering activity can be performed by weaker and older members of a group. It also transitions more naturally into cultivation.

The environment in which Asari developed their present anatomy must, however, have been similar to what our own early ancestors lived in, as you say, since if you don't need to stand and walk around, you don't develop bifurcated trunks. And if you never need to pick things up, no need for hands.

That the Protheans canonically observed cavemen and genetically engineered the Asari may of course provide another explanation. (Though why they would engineer a species to have two more fingers than they do would be a question.)

Anyway, I know it doesn't have a bearing one way or another since these are aliens, but when I look at the ridges on Samara's head here:

http://images1.wikia...aracter_Box.png

Those really get to looking like scales, to me.

[Rip504]

Liara: I'm occupied, Shepard.