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[Ticonderoga117]

Bleachrude wrote...
Um..did you NOT notice in ME3 that the prothean VI didn't respond until the cipher or javik were in the room?

Again, there's no indication that the asari knew anything about the reapers until they showed up in ME3.

So, they designed said "Save the galaxy by sending this AI to help the primitive blue people" AI to not save the galaxy by telling them until something they never knew about (The Cipher) or something they couldn't bank on (A prothean managing to survive 50,000 years and make it to Thessia and make it to that exact statue)? Really?

That's criminally STUPID.

This is stupid on the order of making an AI to solve and issue with AI's!

Oh... right.

[scot15]

I'd happily sacrifice the Asari just to see the look on Liara's face.

[Bleachrude]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...
Um..did you NOT notice in ME3 that the prothean VI didn't respond until the cipher or javik were in the room?

Again, there's no indication that the asari knew anything about the reapers until they showed up in ME3.

So, they designed said "Save the galaxy by sending this AI to help the primitive blue people" AI to not save the galaxy by telling them until something they never knew about (The Cipher) or something they couldn't bank on (A prothean managing to survive 50,000 years and make it to Thessia and make it to that exact statue)? Really?

Again...the protheans might've worked under the assumption that any space faring species would egineer/gain their touch reading power since it can be assumed that in their cycle, all the races that they interacted with that became protheans must've gained such a feature.

[wiccame]

The only races I think I'd choose save the Asari over would be, Vorcha, Batarians and Yahg.
Don't like the Asari, they are too arrogant.
One line sums their arrogance up for me,
lt Kurin: Let the galaxy know the war was won on Thessia

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Yes. Kill all these blue abominations. Just for the look on Liara's face.

Except for Samara.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 01 avril 2013 - 01:21 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Bleachrude wrote...
Again...the protheans might've worked under the assumption that any space faring species would egineer/gain their touch reading power since it can be assumed that in their cycle, all the races that they interacted with that became protheans must've gained such a feature.

Trusting the fate of the Galaxy on an assumption?

[HolyAvenger]

"No, you're trash-talking. That's another tactic that doesn't work on the Reapers. Or the rachni. Or the krogan. Tell me, have the asari ever won a war?"

Gawd I love RenegadeShep's dialogue sometimes.

[Sirzechs_Krios]

wiccame wrote...

The only races I think I'd choose save the Asari over would be, Vorcha, Batarians and Yahg.
Don't like the Asari, they are too arrogant.
One line sums their arrogance up for me,
lt Kurin: Let the galaxy know the war was won on Thessia

less arrogant that those salarians that for some reason there was no reapers in there system for the entire game leading me to believe that they are the reaper/cerberus moles. i dont trust those frogs. and everyone is bashing the asari for hiding the beacon which any race would have done, but not the salarians who wanted to play god with any no space-faring species and sabotage the genophage and the turians that hide a bomb on the krogan planet, and the innocent quarians that started to kill A.I.s just for asking a question then ran when they got there butts handed to them.

[Wulfram]

Barquiel wrote...

- The asari got technology, but not the reaper warning. Why would the VI grant technological advances to the asari without warning them about the Reapers? That would also make protheans complete morons.

My best speculation is that the Asari were able to gain advances by simply studying the technology involved in the beacon, without actually managing to activate it.  And maybe they were able to hack into some less securely kept stuff too.

The security can be justified by the idea that they really didn't want to tell the Reapers about the Crucible.  And that they intended to return as the Asari's gods to lead them to vengeance - though that bit may be contradicted by something Javik said, i don't know.

Not really happy with these explanations, they're just my best rationalisations.

Modifié par Wulfram, 01 avril 2013 - 02:35 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I would like to let the asari join the rachni and geth in the extinction club.

While we're at it, I'd like the salarians and turians join that club as well. All council races can basically die for all I care. They deserve it.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 01 avril 2013 - 03:01 .

[jacob taylor416]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I would like to let the asari join the rachni and geth in the extinction club.

While we're at it, I'd like the salarians and turians join that club as well. All council races can basically die for all I care. They deserve it.

Why the Turians? 99.9% of their population is just fallowing orders. 

[Suron]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

ForThessia wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
good at everything they try (even if it's something another species is supposed to be the best at, they're ranked close second without breaking a sweat),

I think you mean the Humans.

Who has galaxy-renowned commandos and the only reason they're not doing well in the army is because they're just not trying hard enough? Asari.
Who are always the top scientists and medical teams when the salarians are out of the way? Asari.
Who are coming close to beating out the volus when it comes to finance? Asari.
Who are the longest lived race after the krogan? Asari.

And then there's the stuff they're legitimately good at.
Who are the best poets, artists, etc? Asari.
Who are the most beautiful/desired? Asari.
Who are the most wise? Asari.
Who are the most kind/loving/virtuous? Asari
Who are the best biotics? Asari.
Who are the best sex partners because of their literal mind-blowing power? Asari.
Who are the best parents because they have life stages actually devoted to being the perfect mommy? Asari.

They were written to be a fantasy, not a species, created by straight men to be better women than women. I am insulted by their very existence.

Or they could have been written by someone that thinks women are the better of the two sexes and if women were somehow able to be the ENTIRE species (like say..the asari) then the world would be a better place.

no..can't be that..HAS to be the sexist/insulting reason doesn't it.

childish...everyone immediately clings to the homophobic/sexist/racist/insulting reason they can think of for anything.

get a grip

[The Heretic of Time]

jacob taylor416 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I would like to let the asari join the rachni and geth in the extinction club.

While we're at it, I'd like the salarians and turians join that club as well. All council races can basically die for all I care. They deserve it.

Why the Turians? 99.9% of their population is just fallowing orders. 

And a big chunk of that 99,9% would do exactly the same as their current leaders if they were in a leadership position.

[The Heretic of Time]

Suron wrote...

Or they could have been written by someone that thinks women are the better of the two sexes and if women were somehow able to be the ENTIRE species (like say..the asari) then the world would be a better place.

And you're saying THAT isn't insulting, sexist and kinda ridiculous?

Not that I believe the person who made up the asari had any such crazy thoughts. What that other Aris Ravensta dude said is more likely to be true: the Asari are created to be these fantastic, sexy, exotic and "perfect" alien women in skimpy outfits willing and able to have intercourse with all other species, because hey, why not? Sex sells.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 01 avril 2013 - 03:19 .

[jacob taylor416]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

jacob taylor416 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I would like to let the asari join the rachni and geth in the extinction club.

While we're at it, I'd like the salarians and turians join that club as well. All council races can basically die for all I care. They deserve it.

Why the Turians? 99.9% of their population is just fallowing orders. 

And a big chunk of that 99,9% would do exactly the same as their current leaders if they were in a leadership position.

I can forgive the Turians, but not the Salarians or Asari, the Turians are willing to work with every one, and admit they are wrong; the Asari are still stuck up and what to own everything, and Salarians are still doing genetic uplifts and not caring what happens afterwards.  Of course there are always exceptions in every species.  

Modifié par jacob taylor416, 01 avril 2013 - 03:22 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Why the Turians? 99.9% of their population is just fallowing orders.

Yes, the Nuremberg defence has historically been extremely successful.

On the other hand, however, you cannot condemn a species for actions only a handful of their leaders knew about (asari, salerians)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 01 avril 2013 - 03:24 .

[jacob taylor416]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Why the Turians? 99.9% of their population is just fallowing orders.

Yes, the Nuremberg defence has historically been extremely successful.

Is that the means to commit genocide? I'm not talking who's to blame because they could have stopped it, the 0.01% is no excuse for genocide. 

Modifié par jacob taylor416, 01 avril 2013 - 03:28 .

[The Heretic of Time]

jacob taylor416 wrote...

 I'm not talking who's to blame because they could have stopped it, the 0.01% is no excuse for genocide. 

Oh god, not this "genocide" bullcrap again. ;

People on BSN really need to learn the f*cking definition of genocide. You're using a very loaded word much too easil and much too lightly.

Sacrificing a group of people or even an entire species =/= genocide. Well, it is genocide, but the blood is not on your hands. You're not commiting the genocide, the reapers are.

We're talking about sacrificing a species for the greater good in order to win the war, not about choosing to commit genocide on a species. Learn the difference.

[DoodlyDangus]

Sorry blue lesbian porn fans! The only Samara I like whatsoever is Samara. And honestly, the rest are there for Bioware to make money off of adolescent boys.

Besides, it's time for the Quarians to take their rightful place as the galaxy's sex machines.

[Red Panda]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Suron wrote...

Or they could have been written by someone that thinks women are the better of the two sexes and if women were somehow able to be the ENTIRE species (like say..the asari) then the world would be a better place.

And you're saying THAT isn't insulting, sexist and kinda ridiculous?

Not that I believe the person who made up the asari had any such crazy thoughts. What that other Aris Ravensta dude said is more likely to be true: the Asari are created to be these fantastic, sexy, exotic and "perfect" alien women in skimpy outfits willing and able to have intercourse with all other species, because hey, why not? Sex sells.

The problem is that they're written to be a sexual fantasy. That's the disgusting part.

[Zazzerka]

DoodlyDangus wrote...

Sorry blue lesbian porn fans! The only Samara I like whatsoever is Samara.

Samara is definitely up there as being one of the better Samaras.

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 01 avril 2013 - 04:34 .

[mumba]

I need my blue children. I'll destroy everything to get them.

[DoodlyDangus]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

Sorry blue lesbian porn fans! The only Samara I like whatsoever is Samara.

Samara is definitely up there as being one of the better Samaras.

That moment when you realize you made a mistake. Mine was a little too late.

Obviously, Samara distracted me.

[Barquiel]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Suron wrote...

Or they could have been written by someone that thinks women are the better of the two sexes and if women were somehow able to be the ENTIRE species (like say..the asari) then the world would be a better place.

And you're saying THAT isn't insulting, sexist and kinda ridiculous?

Not that I believe the person who made up the asari had any such crazy thoughts. What that other Aris Ravensta dude said is more likely to be true: the Asari are created to be these fantastic, sexy, exotic and "perfect" alien women in skimpy outfits willing and able to have intercourse with all other species, because hey, why not? Sex sells.

The problem is that they're written to be a sexual fantasy. That's the disgusting part.

Most asari in the series are quite modestly dressed (Samara and Benezia are the exceptions...and they're certainly not the only offenders in the games -> see Miranda or Jack). Apart from that, they're also one of the most fleshed out races in the ME universe. Take for example the Turians, Drell or Salarians. We really haven't seen them fleshed out as much as the Asari. Reducing them to "sexual fantasy" is just dumb.

Modifié par Barquiel, 01 avril 2013 - 04:39 .

[Red Panda]

Barquiel wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Suron wrote...

Or they could have been written by someone that thinks women are the better of the two sexes and if women were somehow able to be the ENTIRE species (like say..the asari) then the world would be a better place.

And you're saying THAT isn't insulting, sexist and kinda ridiculous?

Not that I believe the person who made up the asari had any such crazy thoughts. What that other Aris Ravensta dude said is more likely to be true: the Asari are created to be these fantastic, sexy, exotic and "perfect" alien women in skimpy outfits willing and able to have intercourse with all other species, because hey, why not? Sex sells.

The problem is that they're written to be a sexual fantasy. That's the disgusting part.

Most asari in the series are quite modestly dressed (Samara and Benezia are the exceptions...and they're certainly not the only offenders in the games -> see Miranda or Jack). Apart from that, they're also one of the most fleshed out races in the ME universe. Take for example the Turians, Drell or Salarians. We really haven't seen them fleshed out as much as the Asari. Reducing them to "sexual fantasy" is just dumb.

They only seem deep because they're too close to humans. That's one of the things that annoys me particularly about the Asari and the Quarians (to a lesser extent).

Magical blue space babes are not deep and never will be deep. Hopefully, Bioware will make them more "alien" in future installments.

As for being modestly dressed, I call waffle. Name one Asari that wasn't dressed in a skin-tight outfit showing off their curves, seriously name one. It's rather blatant that they, like some characters you mentioned exist solely to titilate the fantasies of males, a.k.a. The Straight Male Gamer™, and that's the issue I take offense to. It's like BIoware has a low opinion of their fanbase, or was not confident enough that their creation would garner the attention it needed to succeed.

As for the Asari being fleshed out, we've honestly not have had a ton to differentiate them from humanity aside from being blue, lecherous, tentacled, dancers, commandos, and biotics.

Turians, despite seemingly rigid in their description we at least know about the details of the authority they follow instead of the Asari government which we've not really heard much about, except that the Asari have this pure fantasical "democracy".

They're borderline unrealistic.