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[Slayer299]

David7204 wrote...

It might surprise people to learn that having characters such as Emily Wong on the ship is not an instant guarantee of satisfying content.

Of course not, the writing and content has to be there was well. But D.A. was a wasted potential as she was done in 3, you have to admit that....

[dreamgazer]

Nah. In the grand scheme of things, she's harmless. Apathy personified.

It's only the meta-context, what her VA represents and who she "replaced", that's infuriating,

[His Name was HYR!!]

Astartes Marine wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
No. Her character reasonably served a good purpose.

What, 5 war asset points with minimal point boosts to other assets from interviews and no memorable dialogue whatsoever outside of that?  Seems pretty pointless to me. 


And dear god, that face...created from the bowels of the warp by servants of Nurgle that was...

It's less about war-asset accumulation and more about the thematic contribution.

She brought the media/public-relations angle into the game, and gave Shepard a chance to defend his major decisions.

Don't get me wrong, the execution was turrible. I just tend to overlook that in favor of the "intellectual" value.

[David7204]

I'm curious what great potential Emily Wong or whatever would have had on the Normandy. Enlighten me.

[PirateMouse]

Astartes Marine wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
No. Her character reasonably served a good purpose.

What, 5 war asset points with minimal point boosts to other assets from interviews and no memorable dialogue whatsoever outside of that?  Seems pretty pointless to me. 


And dear god, that face...created from the bowels of the warp by servants of Nurgle that was...

Honestly for me it was just three things: one, her horrible voice acting, two, the fact that she was usurping a role that rightfully belonged to one of the two established reporters in the series, and three, the fact that it was a shameless IGN promotion.

I don't care if she looks like she fell into an ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down ... although she could have worn something a little less trampy.  I mean, Miranda actually got picked on in-game for her skintight outfit in ME2, and it was still far more tasteful than Diana's.

But that triple-whammy of awful VA, usurping an established role, and the tasteless IGN promotion just made her the worst character in the entire ME series for me.  If she'd at least had a talented VA like Traynor's character did ... if it at least hadn't been a cheap game magazine promotion ... I mean, I might still pine for Emily or Khalisa, but at least I wouldn't hate Diana.

As it is, her very presence actually takes me out of the game every time I see her.  She actually goes so far as to break immersion.

Modifié par PirateMouse, 01 avril 2013 - 01:25 .

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious what great potential Emily Wong or whatever would have had on the Normandy. Enlighten me.

Using an established reporter character who wasn't voiced by an IGN employee? Couldn't imagine.

[crimzontearz]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
No. Her character reasonably served a good purpose.

What, 5 war asset points with minimal point boosts to other assets from interviews and no memorable dialogue whatsoever outside of that?  Seems pretty pointless to me. 


And dear god, that face...created from the bowels of the warp by servants of Nurgle that was...

It's less about war-asset accumulation and more about the thematic contribution.

She brought the media/public-relations angle into the game, and gave Shepard a chance to defend his major decisions.

Don't get me wrong, the execution was turrible. I just tend to overlook that in favor of the "intellectual" value.

The concept is good


 
But as others said, what she represents and who she replaced result in anger

[David7204]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious what great potential Emily Wong or whatever would have had on the Normandy. Enlighten me.

Using an established reporter character who wasn't voiced by an IGN employee? Couldn't imagine.

You're right, I can't imagine. So why don't you explain to me how replacing Allers with Emily Wong makes the GAME so much better? She has a better voice. That's great. What other 'wasted potential' are we talking about? I want to hear exactly why the absence of Wong is a tragedy.

Modifié par David7204, 01 avril 2013 - 01:28 .

[BHRamsay]

I didn't mind having her there.
The interviews are fun and the letter she sends you after her home get reaperfied really is a nice touch.
I wish it had been Emily Wong but it wasn't and somehow I ended up enjoying the game anyway.

[PirateMouse]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious what great potential Emily Wong or whatever would have had on the Normandy. Enlighten me.

Okay.

1. Better voice actor (by far).
2. Established character, which maintains better narrative continuity.
3. Not an obvious, cheap and immersion-breaking IGN promotion.
4. Doesn't dress like a tramp.
5. Actually looks better too, superficial as that is.

[d1ta]

I only picked Diana once in my first PT. Sure I would love it if we could have either Wong or Jilani on board instead (love Jilani's reaction if you Paragon her) both are already established characters that the old players are familiar with.

While I have nothing personal against Chobot, my main reason why I just don't bother picking up Allers on board is probably her face render creeps the hell out of me (sorry! Didn't mean to be rude to who ever is in charge in creating Chobot's in-game face, but that's just how I feel) Her delivery lines still needs some work to make it sound like actual reporter being drop to cover the story from the front lines (the controlled, serious, business like tones or something akin to those CNN reporters) but I can always hit the 'mute' button. But that face render.. Well, I can't play the game with my eyes closed, can I?

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

You're right, I can't imagine. So why don't you explain to me how replacing Allers with Emily Wong makes the GAME so much better? She has a better voice. That's great. What other 'wasted potential' are we talking about? I want to hear exactly why the absence of Wong is a tragedy.

Do you really not appreciate the concept of using an established character?

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious what great potential Emily Wong or whatever would have had on the Normandy. Enlighten me.

Using an established reporter character who wasn't voiced by an IGN employee? Couldn't imagine.

You're right, I can't imagine. So why don't you explain to me how replacing Allers with Emily Wong makes the GAME so much better? She has a better voice. That's great. What other 'wasted potential' are we talking about? I want to hear exactly why the absence of Wong is a tragedy.

Wong had a past relationship with Shepard...Allrrs was basically s promotional stunt if you ask me

[pprrff]

I had to look up who this Chobot is, and I have no idea how they thought the in-game face look anything like the real person, who is actually an attractive woman.

[David7204]

PirateMouse wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious what great potential Emily Wong or whatever would have had on the Normandy. Enlighten me.

Okay.

1. Better voice actor (by far).
2. Established character, which maintains better narrative continuity.
3. Not an obvious, cheap and immersion-breaking IGN promotion.
4. Doesn't dress like a tramp.
5. Actually looks better too, superficial as that is.

First of all, #2 is stupid. The fact that Emily Wong exists in the story doesn't make her any more likely to drop her job and join the Normandy.

This is what we mean when we moan about 'wasted potential'? A character who has a better voice (for a small voice role anyway) and looks nicer? That's it? 

[RogueBot]

d1ta wrote...

her face render creeps the hell out of me (sorry! Didn't mean to be rude to who ever is in charge in creating Chobot's in-game face, but that's just how I feel)

Maybe her face was rushed. It reminded me a bit of Clayface (the Batman villain) when he's trying to hold his disguise  together, but is just on the verge of breaking out into a big pile of goo.

Modifié par RogueBot, 01 avril 2013 - 01:37 .

[Slayer299]

@Hyr 2.0 - I didn't get any contribution from D.A. and I definitely didn't defend myself, I got a fade-to-black scene right before a question was asked.

One of the problems with D.A. was that there were already "two" assets prior to BW's twitter-killing of Emily Wong and if you are going to at least devote some actual writing work to this new character instead of making her so ridiculously forgettable, boring, almost pointless and a cheap f*** buddy for Shepard. D.A. was about as much of a romance as Shepard's pet hamster, Boo.

[PirateMouse]

David7204 wrote...

PirateMouse wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious what great potential Emily Wong or whatever would have had on the Normandy. Enlighten me.

Okay.

1. Better voice actor (by far).
2. Established character, which maintains better narrative continuity.
3. Not an obvious, cheap and immersion-breaking IGN promotion.
4. Doesn't dress like a tramp.
5. Actually looks better too, superficial as that is.

First of all, #2 is stupid. The fact that Emily Wong exists in the story doesn't make her any more likely to drop her job and join the Normandy.

This is what we mean when we moan about 'wasted potential'? A character who has a better voice (for a small voice role anyway) and looks nicer? That's it? 

If you think #2 is stupid, you haven't been paying attention to how the ME story works.  Oh look, you accidentally ran into Jack! Oh look, you accidentally ran into Grunt! Oh, it turns out "Archangel" is Garrus!

Yes, it's improbable, but it makes the story FUN, and frankly, stories try to keep the character count relatively low usually because that WORKS narratively.  Too many characters dilutes things ... you just can't get to know them all enough to care.

And more than anything else, it's the fact that Diana is an obvious and cheap promotional stunt.  She literally TAKES ME OUT OF THE STORY when I interact with her.  That is something that a good writer never wants to have happen ... it's the absolute worst sin any fictional character can commit.

[David7204]

I don't like Allers. It's true - her voice work is bad and her face is a mess. But way too many of you are whining and moaning about 'wasted potential' and pretending you're a goddamn genius ready to blow BioWare away with your incredible ideas of how to make the story a knockout. Make Wong the reporter! It's so obvious!

And then I ask why. And what do I get?

"Well, she's an established character."

Are you kidding me?

Modifié par David7204, 01 avril 2013 - 01:38 .

[Slayer299]

No, people keep saying it is a wasted potential for several reasons, you just keep disregarding them while saying everyone is "whining and moaning". And this is from someone who didn't like D.A. anyhoo...

[PirateMouse]

David7204 wrote...

I don't like Allers. It's true - her voice work is bad and her face is a mess. But way too many of you are whining and moaning about 'wasted potential' and pretending you're a goddamn genius ready to blow BioWare away with your incredible ideas of how to make the story a knockout. Make Wong the reporter! It's so obvious!

And then I ask why. And what do I get?

"Well, she's an established character."

Are you kidding me?

It's actually not our fault that you've proven incapable of understanding the answer, nor does the answer become less legitimate just because you don't understand it.

It's been explained perfectly clearly.  If you still don't understand how Diana was damaging to the narrative, that's your problem and no one else's.

[RogueBot]

Emily Wong had a small role in ME1, but she had spunk. Her personality impressed me favorably in a short time, similar to how Gianna Parasini did.

[David7204]

These 'reasons' suck. They boil down to "Wong looks and sounds better than Allers." Well that might justify disliking Allers, but it doesn't justifying claiming there was 'wasted potential.' Having Wong instead of Allers probably would have made the role better, yes, but it isn't going to magically transform it in the best character ever.

It's really just a very annoying phrase.

Modifié par David7204, 01 avril 2013 - 01:47 .

[Odd Bet]

I didn't mind her at all. In fact, I was concerned for her health.

If you look through her room, there are about six or so empty wine bottles scattered around. The girl has a serious drinking problem.

[pprrff]

There are dozens of random npcs standing around in the citadel doing nothing other than making the citadel looking busy. Same thing applies to the random crewmen on the normandy, they don't do anything other than just being there.

All Bioware did is make one of those background decoration into a character and used it for promotion. Allers wasn't there to replace an interesting character, she was there to replace a tree.