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[Rikketik]

I really don't care for her. Don't like her, but I don't hate her either. When I allow her on the ship, I sometimes go check what she's up to when I make my rounds on the Normandy. And if I don't allow her, I hardly ever notice that she isn't there.

To be honest, it would've likely been the same if Emily Wong could board the Normandy.

[PirateMouse]

David7204 wrote...

These 'reasons' suck. They boil down to "Wong looks and sounds better than Allers."

Neither of those is even my biggest reason given -- I was very clear on which one was and why.  Go back and read if you want to participate in the discussion and be taken remotely seriously.

[Slayer299]

@David7204 - Those aren't the "only" reasons, nor should they be. I know I found her 'wasted potential', because she actually doesn't bring anything to the game. There are only two interesting parts with her; one was with the sacrificing the colony or saving it, (support the crewman or D.A.) and even there it stopped short. The other was the talk with her after you find out Bekenstein was flattened by orbital bombardment by the Reapers. You actually had a chance to do a brief QA over your previous actions that turns into a 'fade-to-black' and then a thank you after the interview.

Honestly, can you say you cannot think of anything the writers could have done to add with her? Actually make her role there a lot/some/*any* more interesting?

[dreamgazer]

Attacking those with differing opinions by claiming their position "sucks" isn't exactly inviting for discussion, David.

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

These 'reasons' suck. They boil down to "Wong looks and sounds better than Allers." Well that might justify disliking Allers, but it doesn't justifying claiming there was 'wasted potential.' Having Wong instead of Allers probably would have made the role better, yes, but it isn't going to magically transform it in the best character ever.

It's really just a very annoying phrase.

In a character centric narrative switching an established well liked character for a new one we have NO CONNECTION with with who, oh top of it all, is voiced by an employee of a site that will review the game, is NOT a good idea.

Imagine them replacing Garrus with a random ****Ing Turian voiced by Adam Sessler for no other reason than "sessler is a media person"

[PirateMouse]

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

These 'reasons' suck. They boil down to "Wong looks and sounds better than Allers." Well that might justify disliking Allers, but it doesn't justifying claiming there was 'wasted potential.' Having Wong instead of Allers probably would have made the role better, yes, but it isn't going to magically transform it in the best character ever.

It's really just a very annoying phrase.

In a character centric narrative switching an established well liked character for a new one we have NO CONNECTION with with who, oh top of it all, is voiced by an employee of a site that will review the game, is NOT a good idea.

Imagine them replacing Garrus with a random ****Ing Turian voiced by Adam Sessler for no other reason than "sessler is a media person"

Hey, you're just hating on the random Adam Sessler turian because you think Garrus looks and sounds better! Your reasons suck!

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

I'll agree with David's core argument: that swapping Wong for Allers would be little more than a superficial improvement. But, um, yeah. It's an improvement.

[crimzontearz]

PirateMouse wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

These 'reasons' suck. They boil down to "Wong looks and sounds better than Allers." Well that might justify disliking Allers, but it doesn't justifying claiming there was 'wasted potential.' Having Wong instead of Allers probably would have made the role better, yes, but it isn't going to magically transform it in the best character ever.

It's really just a very annoying phrase.

In a character centric narrative switching an established well liked character for a new one we have NO CONNECTION with with who, oh top of it all, is voiced by an employee of a site that will review the game, is NOT a good idea.

Imagine them replacing Garrus with a random ****Ing Turian voiced by Adam Sessler for no other reason than "sessler is a media person"

Hey, you're just hating on the random Adam Sessler turian because you think Garrus looks and sounds better! Your reasons suck!

hey if none of it matters why not change ALL characters and all voice actors in each game while still calling it a character centric narrative

[David7204]

When you claim that something is 'wasted potential' you're claiming it could have been very good or great. So when you say that, I think it's obvious that you need to be able to answer HOW. HOW can this be made great? HOW should have this been done? If you can't answer that question, then you really don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Replacing Allers with Wong would not make the role great. It wouldn't. So you can criticize Allers all you want (although you're not bringing anything new to the table). But claiming 'wasted potential' when you've got nothing else to add is just ridiculous.

Modifié par David7204, 01 avril 2013 - 02:00 .

[Archonsg]

My Renegade Shepard kinda regretted it, since he just had to show Allers the biggest gun on the Normandy.

Liara wasn't amused.

All my other Shepards either kept her at arms length or Spaced her by getting her onboard the doomed ship.

[Slayer299]

David7204, people are making suggestions, but we're not going to sit here and brainstorm ideas that BW writers *should* have done when they decided on having a reporter on board the Normandy. Because otherwise D.A. is a complete waste of space on the disk and serves zero purpose beyond some stupid minor war assets I can get by finding the Grand Banner of Uselessness of Athame on some planet. It would have been an improvement to not have her at all..

[PirateMouse]

Archonsg wrote...

My Renegade Shepard kinda regretted it, since he just had to show Allers the biggest gun on the Normandy.

Liara wasn't amused.

All my other Shepards either kept her at arms length or Spaced her by getting her onboard the doomed ship.

You cheated on Liara freaking T'Soni with ... Diana Allers? Seriously?

[David7204]

It comes down to this:

You can criticize whatever you want. But don't claim you can do better...if you can't do better.

[Spartas Husky]

Why not take her. I mean she is not a real reporter. Command decides what gets filtered so, plus you get first dibs at the filter.

So there isn't a reason, not to take her.

[Archonsg]

@david7204

I thought that the wasted potential was that Allers wasn't used to interview Shepard more.
And the interviews that happened, were only two or so questions.

I thought at the time, just how awesome to have Allers give declassified mission "replays" broadcasting Shepard's deeds as a morale boost to troops back home.
You know like what we see from CNN and other war correspondents.

Instead ... Yeah, "Battletits".

[dreamgazer]

David, using an established reporter is already an open door to "better".

Modifié par dreamgazer, 01 avril 2013 - 02:11 .

[spirosz]

Better question, did Bioware regret getting that $ from IGN?

[Galbrant]

It's real easy to get Emily Wong on the Normandy all you have to do is swap her locations around and have her bump into Shepard and Anderson running from the Reapers. She stays on board until they reach the Citadel and then she gives Shepard her idea about broadcasting the war effort from the Normandy. If Shepard agrees she pass it along with her boss and he approves. Then bam we have a character that is likable and professional. Well at least one that dress professionally. And she can even reminiscent with Shepard about the times he/she help her out. positively or negatively. More info on how our choices work out in the first game. I'm pretty sure Diana Aller's is a defective T-X prototype. It has to do something with her polyalloy coating.

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

It comes down to this:

You can criticize whatever you want. But don't claim you can do better...if you can't do better.

flawed argument, Allers was not bioware's best effort, she was created as a publicity stunt and replaced a beloved character.

She is not on the same level as EDI in ME2 or Vega in ME3....conceptually under a creative standpoint I mean

Modifié par crimzontearz, 01 avril 2013 - 02:15 .

[PirateMouse]

David7204 wrote...

It comes down to this:

You can criticize whatever you want. But don't claim you can do better...if you can't do better.

Are you still talking?

I could do better by literally just copying and pasting Emily Wong in from ME1.  Don't even need to really update her look or anything.  Done; I improved the game.  The end.

I mean, this is really a classic case of fixing what wasn't broken.  They fixed the hell out of that not-broken thing! ... and broke it rather badly.

[Slayer299]

David7204 wrote...

It comes down to this:

You can criticize whatever you want. But don't claim you can do better...if you can't do better.

We aren't being paid to do her 'better', we can say she is wasted potential because *nothing* was done with her. As for doing better, I dont' see how anyone could actually do *worse* than what was given to us in 3 with her. 

[AustereLemur799]

She was nothing more than Bioware needing to get press support - which they really didn't need to do. Even if the ending didn't live up to the fans' dreams and expectations; they at least could've trusted us more than some stupid meaningless publicity.

She was a waste of space, yes. But, then, that clip of her licking a PSP absolutely did it for me - and that has nothing to do with ME3.

Bioware backfired on this. That said, I don't think that she's that terrible if you bring her along. All you have to do is endure a couple of interviews. The whole things feels a bit contrived though - it neither adds nor takes anything from the game.

Why on Earth they killed Emily Wong off through Twitter, I'll never know or understand. Bringing either Wong or Khalisah back would've made more sense rather than a new and pointless character.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Waste of a character. I only bring her on for the war assets she provides. Immediately afterwords, I tell her to get the hell off my ship.

[Han Shot First]

auragon132 wrote...

Making Kelly Chambers commit suicide is even more heart wrenching.

How does Kelly end up committing suicide? I didn't even know that was possible.

I did know that if Kelly is encouraged in aiding the refugees, she ends up being executed by a Cerberus assassin during the coup.

David7204 wrote...


It might surprise people to learn that having characters such as Emily Wong on the ship is not an instant guarantee of satisfying content.

While that is true, Emily Wong and Khalisah al Jilali were both voiced by actors. Part of the problem with Dianna Allers was not just the shallow role that was in written into the game, but also the bad casting decision to hire someone who wasn't an actor to voice the character.

Even if a role written for Emily Wong or Khalisah al Jilani were just as shallow, they'd still be more tolerable as they'd have voice actors who are at least competent.

I think where Dianna Allers also tends to irritate the fanbase is that Bioware spent resources modelling the face of a completly new and rather pointless character, instead of on a squadmate who plays a much larger role in the story and has been in the series since 2007. That Tali's reveal was a barely edited stock photo while Dianna Allers got the face mapping treatment, was a bad allocation of resources.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 avril 2013 - 02:19 .

[Archonsg]

PirateMouse wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

My Renegade Shepard kinda regretted it, since he just had to show Allers the biggest gun on the Normandy.

Liara wasn't amused.

All my other Shepards either kept her at arms length or Spaced her by getting her onboard the doomed ship.

You cheated on Liara freaking T'Soni with ... Diana Allers? Seriously?

Hey, its not jusy Allers. That particular character had Tali, Miranda, and Jack as well. Last being Jack, before Shadow Broker came out.
Allers was just  ... there.

My other Shepards though,...
What, don't tell me you can't role play completely very different Shepards with very different needs, motivation and ideals?