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[DaveT]

Zero132132 wrote...

DaveT wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

DaveT wrote...

Then again there is the real problem, the OP really kind of sucks

I did host two Silver matches that ended in full extractions, one was even the acid rain Benning one (I hate that rain). I was pretty liberal with the rockets though during the final waves when the bosses were out. I had one Pretorian chase me in a circle through the trailers twice, while I was trying to take it out using soft cover (another thing I'm *trying* to practice, when I get a rare chance).

1. People are trying not to be dicks here because we understand that for newer players less familiar with the game mechanics, things won't be easy early on.
2. If you're struggling with a damned Silver match of any sort, Benning included, then you're in the same boat. For any decent player with decent experience, there's no situation in which extracting on Silver should be an issue (except maybe if you solo).

*chuckle* I'm the OP, so I'm allowed to acknoledge that I kinda suck

And I am very thankful that people have been kind enough not to point that out.  But I am also a realist.  I strive to get better, but I know there will always be limitations in my game play.  My reaction time isn't fast enough.

I just facepalmed at work due to my own stupidity. 

It's less about reaction time and more about understanding game mechanics. Learning to use soft cover and right hand advantage is a big boon. So is reload cancelling. So is a decent manifest with good weapon/gear/character unlocks, and a greater understanding about combo damage. Really, a lot of stuff is just knowing the game a bit better. My reaction time is ****, and I do alright.

*laugh* No worries.  When I read my post again from your point of view it was really rude.  If you didn't know I was talking about myself, you would have every right to call me out for being a jerk.

I'm getting better at soft cover, and I understand the right hand advantage.  My problem is I keep walking into things while I'm backing up and firing.  But I did notice I am getting better at this.  I finally unlocked the Drell Vanguard and found I'm pretty good at charging, then backing up while firing at anything I didn't kill.

Reload cancelling seems to be hopeless for me, I never seem to be able to get the knack of it.

The manifest is improving though, and I'm finding several of the uncommon weapons that I like a lot.  The Locust is becoming my default gun for most characters.  I like the Raptor too.

I also tend to focus on the casters, since they aren't so dependent on good guns, although my gear isn't the best yet (some exceptions, I have Expert Package V).  I find that I am pretty good with, and will usually top the scoreboard with the Fury and the Valkarie.  It turns out that I'm decent at running around with annialation field and detonating BEs.  Hence my best kits are the QFE, Fury, Valkarie, Kroguard, and Batguard.

[Star fury]

Zero132132 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Hakumen wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Cyonan's page mentions it, and I've seen it plenty of times in-game. I don't really want to spend a bunch of time sorting through videos, but it's absolutely a fact of the game.

Actually, **** it, just look at the May 16th balance changes.

Okay, I gotta be honest, I have my doubts for a second. Just came back from a Gold Geth solo. You will never guess how many Primes on the Wave 10. I'll give you a hint: it's more than 1, but less than 3. As I said before  - Cyonan's page is outdated. And balance changes since May 2012 has, well, changed. If you don't believe me, let's go into Gold Geth match. Just 2 of us. You'll be hosting and will have complete freedom do to anything to make a third simultaneous Prime appear on the objective Wave. 

Edit: typos

Can't. You're PC, I'm Xbox. Find a balance change that undoes the one I linked, or at least find some legitimate, externally verifiable source of information. My experience, including recent experience, is that there are 3 primes on wave 10 of Gold/Geth. That's what the devs say. That's what Cyonan says. That's what my personal experience says. Why should I believe what you say?

Other people, like Djeck and me, agree with him. And I'm sure lots of others would if they cared to reply to this discussion.

Could it be that it's actually different from PC and xbox? 

Doubtful. If it is different, then it's ninja change by the devs, or PC people modify their files way more than they think they do.

Dude, you look really really stupid now. There are only TWO primes on gold geth. Not one, not three, two. There are  three primes only on platinum. Your balance changes are almost a year old. Believe your eyes, not some year old post.

Modifié par Star fury, 02 avril 2013 - 09:21 .

[Zero132132]

Star fury wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Hakumen wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Cyonan's page mentions it, and I've seen it plenty of times in-game. I don't really want to spend a bunch of time sorting through videos, but it's absolutely a fact of the game.

Actually, **** it, just look at the May 16th balance changes.

Okay, I gotta be honest, I have my doubts for a second. Just came back from a Gold Geth solo. You will never guess how many Primes on the Wave 10. I'll give you a hint: it's more than 1, but less than 3. As I said before  - Cyonan's page is outdated. And balance changes since May 2012 has, well, changed. If you don't believe me, let's go into Gold Geth match. Just 2 of us. You'll be hosting and will have complete freedom do to anything to make a third simultaneous Prime appear on the objective Wave. 

Edit: typos

Can't. You're PC, I'm Xbox. Find a balance change that undoes the one I linked, or at least find some legitimate, externally verifiable source of information. My experience, including recent experience, is that there are 3 primes on wave 10 of Gold/Geth. That's what the devs say. That's what Cyonan says. That's what my personal experience says. Why should I believe what you say?

Other people, like Djeck and me, agree with him. And I'm sure lots of others would if they cared to reply to this discussion.

Could it be that it's actually different from PC and xbox? 

Doubtful. If it is different, then it's ninja change by the devs, or PC people modify their files way more than they think they do.

Dude, you look really really stupid now. There are only TWO primes on gold geth. Not one, not three, two. There three primes only on platinum. Your balance changes are almost a year old. Believe your eyes, not some year old post.

My eyes agree with the year old post, though. That's the problem. They've also never said anything at all about changing wave 10's composition for Geth since then. There's no external, objective evidence that there's been a change. Claiming that because the post is a year old, it's invalid is like saying that the Claymore X doesn't do 206 damage per pellet. After all, the balance change shifting it from 191 to 206 is from March 20th, substantially older than the May balance change that you're claiming is "outdated."

When did they change the composition back? Why isn't it mentioned anywhere? Why am I the one that's being foolish when I definitely remember 3 primes and all external evidence backs up this memory?

[HolyAvenger]

lol at 3 prime on geth gold.

Here's someone that never plays geth gold.

There are plenty of factual errors on Cyonan's spreadsheet that are directly contradicted by balance changes. The one I PM'd him about was gold Praetorian spawns, which are capped now and no longer unlimited. Directly mentioned in the balance changes thread.

[Star fury]

Zero132132 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Hakumen wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Cyonan's page mentions it, and I've seen it plenty of times in-game. I don't really want to spend a bunch of time sorting through videos, but it's absolutely a fact of the game.

Actually, **** it, just look at the May 16th balance changes.

Okay, I gotta be honest, I have my doubts for a second. Just came back from a Gold Geth solo. You will never guess how many Primes on the Wave 10. I'll give you a hint: it's more than 1, but less than 3. As I said before  - Cyonan's page is outdated. And balance changes since May 2012 has, well, changed. If you don't believe me, let's go into Gold Geth match. Just 2 of us. You'll be hosting and will have complete freedom do to anything to make a third simultaneous Prime appear on the objective Wave. 

Edit: typos

Can't. You're PC, I'm Xbox. Find a balance change that undoes the one I linked, or at least find some legitimate, externally verifiable source of information. My experience, including recent experience, is that there are 3 primes on wave 10 of Gold/Geth. That's what the devs say. That's what Cyonan says. That's what my personal experience says. Why should I believe what you say?

Other people, like Djeck and me, agree with him. And I'm sure lots of others would if they cared to reply to this discussion.

Could it be that it's actually different from PC and xbox? 

Doubtful. If it is different, then it's ninja change by the devs, or PC people modify their files way more than they think they do.

Dude, you look really really stupid now. There are only TWO primes on gold geth. Not one, not three, two. There three primes only on platinum. Your balance changes are almost a year old. Believe your eyes, not some year old post.

My eyes agree with the year old post, though. That's the problem. They've also never said anything at all about changing wave 10's composition for Geth since then. There's no external, objective evidence that there's been a change. Claiming that because the post is a year old, it's invalid is like saying that the Claymore X doesn't do 206 damage per pellet. After all, the balance change shifting it from 191 to 206 is from March 20th, substantially older than the May balance change that you're claiming is "outdated."

When did they change the composition back? Why isn't it mentioned anywhere? Why am I the one that's being foolish when I definitely remember 3 primes and all external evidence backs up this memory?

Are you really dumb? Play damned game, choose Geth Gold. Or you need to check your eyes. Probably second.

[Star fury]

Zero132132 wrote...

My eyes agree with the year old post, though. That's the problem. They've also never said anything at all about changing wave 10's composition for Geth since then. There's no external, objective evidence that there's been a change. Claiming that because the post is a year old, it's invalid is like saying that the Claymore X doesn't do 206 damage per pellet. After all, the balance change shifting it from 191 to 206 is from March 20th, substantially older than the May balance change that you're claiming is "outdated."

When did they change the composition back? Why isn't it mentioned anywhere? Why am I the one that's being foolish when I definitely remember 3 primes and all external evidence backs up this memory?

Let's bet - you pay me $100 if there are two primes on gold geth.

[Zero132132]

HolyAvenger wrote...

lol at 3 prime on geth gold.

Here's someone that never plays geth gold.

There are plenty of factual errors on Cyonan's spreadsheet that are directly contradicted by balance changes. The one I PM'd him about was gold Praetorian spawns, which are capped now and no longer unlimited. Directly mentioned in the balance changes thread.

Not just Cyonan's sheet. It's also the balance change thread; they changed it to 3 primes, and they never changed it back. No change to the number of Primes on wave 10/Geth are mentioned in the thread. I almost only do U/U/G, so I get Geth somewhat often. I'm damned sure that I've seen 3 Primes on wave 10, and I'm absolutely, 100% sure that there's nothing in the balance changes about switching it back to 2.

Maybe it really is different on PC. Not sure. But there are definitely 3 primes. I hate primes a lot, so I tend to notice when the bastards are around. If they did change it, it's recent; been playing way less the last couple weeks, so if they did a ninja balance change, I wouldn't necessarily see it.

[Zero132132]

Someone tell me when they changed it from 3 back to 2. I might check it later; got things to do tonight, so I can't play for a while. Maybe it's a very, very, very recent change that I missed because of my relative inactivity in the game.

[Zero132132]

Star fury wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

My eyes agree with the year old post, though. That's the problem. They've also never said anything at all about changing wave 10's composition for Geth since then. There's no external, objective evidence that there's been a change. Claiming that because the post is a year old, it's invalid is like saying that the Claymore X doesn't do 206 damage per pellet. After all, the balance change shifting it from 191 to 206 is from March 20th, substantially older than the May balance change that you're claiming is "outdated."

When did they change the composition back? Why isn't it mentioned anywhere? Why am I the one that's being foolish when I definitely remember 3 primes and all external evidence backs up this memory?

Let's bet - you pay me $100 if there are two primes on gold geth.

PM me.

[HereticBrony]

Tyhpoon is bad.
GPR is teetering on the edge of overpowered.
AIU didn't need nerf, but she's still fine.
The Valkryie is a good gun.
The Cerberus Harrier isn't fun to use.
The Talon was always good.
There are more problems on PC that PC elitist guys always complain about as though it were a whole.
The Saboteur is bad. He has Sabotage instead of Stimulant pack, what is that crap?
The Krogan Warlord is only OK at best.
Juggernauts pretty good, but whenever I see someone use him, they're bad. 7/10 class.

[Ilikechicken257]

Zero132132 wrote...

My eyes agree with the year old post, though. That's the problem. They've also never said anything at all about changing wave 10's composition for Geth since then. There's no external, objective evidence that there's been a change. Claiming that because the post is a year old, it's invalid is like saying that the Claymore X doesn't do 206 damage per pellet. After all, the balance change shifting it from 191 to 206 is from March 20th, substantially older than the May balance change that you're claiming is "outdated."

When did they change the composition back? Why isn't it mentioned anywhere? Why am I the one that's being foolish when I definitely remember 3 primes and all external evidence backs up this memory?

Eric Fagnan wrote...

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October 24, 2012
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- (Bronze) Extraction: Removed 1 Hunter and added 1 Trooper
- (Silver) Wave 10: Removed 1 Prime and both Hunters and added 3 Troopers
- (Silver) Extraction: Removed 1 Prime and both Bombers and added 3 Rocket Troopers

Happy?

[cb81]

DaveT wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

DaveT wrote...

Often I read things like "Oh I'll go play Silver to relax", and I'll watch videos where people just breeze through Gold matches while chatting away talking about other things.

Keep in mind, a lot of the posters on this board have been playing Gold for a long time. Some have moved on to routinely playing Platinum and regard even Gold as laughingly easy now (I'm still stuck firmly in Gold, personally).

We're running around in the most powerful Kits, wielding powerful Level X Rare/UR weapons loaded with the Level V Mods, and wearing the Level III/IV Equipment and Level V Gears.

And most importantly, on top of that we have hundreds of hours more experience than you. We know all the tricks: reload cancel, reload hiding, right hand advantage, cloak cooldown override, rolling weapon switch, running with pizza, OPS Pack synch kill denial, Warp + Incendiary, forcing Phantom bubble and so on. We know the maps, Wave composition, enemy weaknesses, sounds, behaviour and spawn points.

You're 170 hrs in, you don't have your weapon mods at max, only a few Gears at low level, no high level Rare guns and only 2 max Uncommons (though you do have two useable URs: Harrier II and Hurricane III). In short you have a Silver level Manifest. You're SUPPOSED to find Silver a challenge. It's where you're meant to be.

I commend you for playing at where your manifest and your experience level suggest you should be, instead of jumping into Gold with something ridiculous like a Carnifex VI, PHB I, Combatives I and no consumables equipped. That makes you officially a better person than roughly 50% of the folks I see in Gold PUG lobbies these days.

Just keep buying Veteran Packs until Uncommon Weapon Mods are maxed and you've got a few max Uncommon Gears, then start on Spectre/Arsenal Packs until you have some high level Rare guns. Preferably Spectre IMO, as it gives you more equipment, Gear and Mods. By the time you've managed that, you'll have the manifest and probably have the experience to try for Gold.

Good luck and have fun!

Thanks. I appreciate that you took the time to look at my manifest.

What OniGanon says is some of the best advice out there.  Don't be in a rush and treat each game as a learning experience.  That is what I did and what a lot of us have done.  What makes a skilled player is not the manifest, but the understanding of the game, including how to sync up with your teammates in terms of complimentary powers and playstyles.  Some of the Uncommon and Rare weapons are the really the  most versatile (and less frustrating to get from the RNG!).  One of my favorite combos is a TurSent with incendiary ammo, Overload and Warp, and a basic SMG.  Learning to adapt to any situation with the characters/weapons you have is the best skill to have ME3MP.

[Zero132132]

Ilikechicken257 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

My eyes agree with the year old post, though. That's the problem. They've also never said anything at all about changing wave 10's composition for Geth since then. There's no external, objective evidence that there's been a change. Claiming that because the post is a year old, it's invalid is like saying that the Claymore X doesn't do 206 damage per pellet. After all, the balance change shifting it from 191 to 206 is from March 20th, substantially older than the May balance change that you're claiming is "outdated."

When did they change the composition back? Why isn't it mentioned anywhere? Why am I the one that's being foolish when I definitely remember 3 primes and all external evidence backs up this memory?

Eric Fagnan wrote...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
October 24, 2012
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

- (Bronze) Extraction: Removed 1 Hunter and added 1 Trooper
- (Silver) Wave 10: Removed 1 Prime and both Hunters and added 3 Troopers
- (Silver) Extraction: Removed 1 Prime and both Bombers and added 3 Rocket Troopers

Happy?

No. That's Silver. But I think I found it.

- Wave changes to Geth faction to account for new Geth Bomber enemy

Just wish they'd been more specific.

[Ilikechicken257]

Zero132132 wrote...

Ilikechicken257 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

My eyes agree with the year old post, though. That's the problem. They've also never said anything at all about changing wave 10's composition for Geth since then. There's no external, objective evidence that there's been a change. Claiming that because the post is a year old, it's invalid is like saying that the Claymore X doesn't do 206 damage per pellet. After all, the balance change shifting it from 191 to 206 is from March 20th, substantially older than the May balance change that you're claiming is "outdated."

When did they change the composition back? Why isn't it mentioned anywhere? Why am I the one that's being foolish when I definitely remember 3 primes and all external evidence backs up this memory?

Eric Fagnan wrote...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
October 24, 2012
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

- (Bronze) Extraction: Removed 1 Hunter and added 1 Trooper
- (Silver) Wave 10: Removed 1 Prime and both Hunters and added 3 Troopers
- (Silver) Extraction: Removed 1 Prime and both Bombers and added 3 Rocket Troopers

Happy?

No. That's Silver. But I think I found it.

- Wave changes to Geth faction to account for new Geth Bomber enemy

Just wish they'd been more specific.

Whoops. I got confused, OP was talking about Silver.