TheJediSaint wrote...
In Exile wrote...
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure that the single-minded person who "forfeits happiness" isn't going to keep it toghether psychologically long enough to actually save the world.
Or they become Batman.
The Boss too.TheJediSaint wrote...
In Exile wrote...
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure that the single-minded person who "forfeits happiness" isn't going to keep it toghether psychologically long enough to actually save the world.
Or they become Batman.
Modifié par The Hierophant, 04 avril 2013 - 02:55 .
So cops, paramedics, ER doctors, and firefighters should forego all personal relationships because that makes them better at their jobs? That argument makes no sense. I'd argue the exact opposite is true: maintaining friendships and romantic involvements remind them of the reasons they're taking on jobs that put them in danger and situations where they're decisions are literally life or death.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Often, those types of positions that require soul-crushing work to enter serve to weed out those who do not have the strength, resolve and fortitude that come with the responsibility and pressure of the position in the first place.Plaintiff wrote...
Precisely.In Exile wrote...
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure that the single-minded person who "forfeits happiness" isn't going to keep it toghether psychologically long enough to actually save the world.
People who detach themselves from the world and the people in it don't actually have a stake in its continued existence.
Lawyers have working 100 hour weeks doing paralegal work fresh out of law school to eventually work on a case with the hope to make partner. Doctors have internships and residencies which put them to the grindstone. Firemen have exhaustive physical and procedural testing. The quality of all the men and women who survive said process makes the world better as a result, not DESPITE the sacrifices made, but BECAUSE of them.
A hero who has to risk their life on a minute-by-minute basis and still be expected to make the right decisions to save the lives of others may need to be able to demonstrate restraint and grit when faced with the greater good. Otherwise, their personal desires and feelings could cripple them.
Modifié par Face of Evil, 04 avril 2013 - 03:04 .
They also still manage to have families and relationships, or some other thing outside of work that makes life bearable.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Lawyers have working 100 hour weeks doing paralegal work fresh out of law school to eventually work on a case with the hope to make partner. Doctors have internships and residencies which put them to the grindstone. Firemen have exhaustive physical and procedural testing. The quality of all the men and women who survive said process makes the world better as a result, not DESPITE the sacrifices made, but BECAUSE of them.
Batman doesn't forfeit his personal happiness, though, despite that little spiel he gave Wonder Woman in the Justice League. At least he doesn't do it willingly. In every iteration of his character, be it comic, tv show or film, he has at least one love interest, if not several, not to mention his platonic relationships with Alfred, Commissioner Gordon and the various Robins.Fast Jimmy wrote...
TheJediSaint wrote...
In Exile wrote...
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure that the single-minded person who "forfeits happiness" isn't going to keep it toghether psychologically long enough to actually save the world.
Or they become Batman.
This. Always this!
You need a metric buttload of money and to be psychologically broken by the death of your parents.Face of Evil wrote...
I don't have any friends and I'm not Batman. Did I do something wrong?
Modifié par Face of Evil, 04 avril 2013 - 03:13 .
legbamel wrote...
So cops, paramedics, ER doctors, and firefighters should forego all personal relationships because that makes them better at their jobs? That argument makes no sense. I'd argue the exact opposite is true: maintaining friendships and romantic involvements remind them of the reasons they're taking on jobs that put them in danger and situations where they're decisions are literally life or death.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Often, those types of positions that require soul-crushing work to enter serve to weed out those who do not have the strength, resolve and fortitude that come with the responsibility and pressure of the position in the first place.Plaintiff wrote...
Precisely.In Exile wrote...
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure that the single-minded person who "forfeits happiness" isn't going to keep it toghether psychologically long enough to actually save the world.
People who detach themselves from the world and the people in it don't actually have a stake in its continued existence.
Lawyers have working 100 hour weeks doing paralegal work fresh out of law school to eventually work on a case with the hope to make partner. Doctors have internships and residencies which put them to the grindstone. Firemen have exhaustive physical and procedural testing. The quality of all the men and women who survive said process makes the world better as a result, not DESPITE the sacrifices made, but BECAUSE of them.
A hero who has to risk their life on a minute-by-minute basis and still be expected to make the right decisions to save the lives of others may need to be able to demonstrate restraint and grit when faced with the greater good. Otherwise, their personal desires and feelings could cripple them.
Wouldn't that curve be not being able to start any of the romances for a while into the game? Shepard's an experienced soldier already, and it's years before Hawke can start anything. DAO's vaguer timescale makes that trickier, but still, it takes time.I didn't say that. I said that to enter into such a profession/field requires a lot of dedication and focus to start out, mostly to ingrain the neccessary information, but also to weed out those not strong enough to be good in the profession anyway. Once they have paid their dues and have proven their mettle, they can advance in their careers to afford having a social life. I can only assume being a hero has a similar curve for entry.
Fast Jimmy wrote...
Often, those types of positions that require soul-crushing work to enter serve to weed out those who do not have the strength, resolve and fortitude that come with the responsibility and pressure of the position in the first place.
Lawyers have working 100 hour weeks doing paralegal work fresh out of law school to eventually work on a case with the hope to make partner.
Napoléon Bonaparte would like a word with youThe Sin wrote...
I am saying if you have a really big task that adds a huge responsiblity on your shoulder, a task that might get you killed or a task that requires you to make hard choices, romantic relationships is not a practical thing to have.
Along with every leaders (be them Very Good, Very Evil or somewhere in the middle) in history who had to do all that and pursued personal happiness, love and / or family at the same time, even succeeding sometimes. Having a romantic relationship (or several), can be as much a weakness than a strength. It all depends on circumstances and individuals.As a couple of additional options, I'm all for it. As long as deeper relationships still exist, romance or friendship alike.That is how I view it. I am not saying we should do away with romances entirely but I would like to have a middle ground in form of flings or "no strings attached".
Modifié par Sutekh, 04 avril 2013 - 10:18 .
HolyAvenger wrote...
lol @ saving the world means you can't fall in love.
I swear this board comes with more and more ridiculous arguments every day.
Modifié par imbs, 04 avril 2013 - 09:39 .
renjility wrote...
I don't think it's fair to blame the romance content specifically for the state of the rest of the game. I think the romances were decent because the companions themselves were well-written. After all, Varric and Aveline are not romanceable, yet still they were great characters. The game was rushed. Bioware's strength is companions, so I don't think it's that suprising that with a lot of time pressure, they manage to perform best in that department, and that in other areas the lack of time really shows.
The romances didn't have that much content either. It was mostly a few different/extra lines in their standard personal quests. You only get one extra scene in act 2, when the "hooking up" happens. I doubt the exclusion of a kising animation would have resulted in no enemy waves, no recycled dungeons, etc.
HolyAvenger wrote...
lol @ saving the world means you can't fall in love.
I swear this board comes with more and more ridiculous arguments every day.
The Sin wrote...
HolyAvenger wrote...
lol @ saving the world means you can't fall in love.
I swear this board comes with more and more ridiculous arguments every day.
How is this ridiculous ? I didn't say you can't, I just said it is not practical.
HolyAvenger wrote...
The Sin wrote...
HolyAvenger wrote...
lol @ saving the world means you can't fall in love.
I swear this board comes with more and more ridiculous arguments every day.
How is this ridiculous ? I didn't say you can't, I just said it is not practical.
Last I checked, practical and love didn't exactly go hand in hand.
Believe it or not, engaging characters make mediocre or cliche plots more interesting. DA is not and never has been a romance "sim", nor will it be. You're blaming something that is icing on top of expanded, non-romance companion development for what you perceive to be pandering and then throw invective and insults. This sort of hyperbole and stating opinion as fact only makes you look bitter and ill-informed.imbs wrote...
The argument stems from the decidedly accurate idea that the level of detail in the romances is indirectly proportional to overall game and story quality in Bioware games. From there it is only a short ride to making up any excuse you can think of to try and disuade Bioware from their folly.HolyAvenger wrote...
lol @ saving the world means you can't fall in love.
I swear this board comes with more and more ridiculous arguments every day.
Believe it or not how engaging and/or interesting a story is is more important than pandering to romance sim seekers who are too stupid to just play the latest harem VN garbage. Team EA are more interested in how negative or positive they appear to be towards the LGBT community than actually delivering a good story (or game) sadly.
The saddest part is that the steep decline in Bioware game standards is mostly coincidental regarding the romance trash. It'd be more accurate to say that this focus on romance is just a symptom of the problem that is the cause of the quality drop. Those complainers you are complaining about are wasting their time
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