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[Zeldrik1389]

There are still too little info about both the game and book, it's hard to say. Though if you side with the city elves against those 2, it might turn into a 3 way war, which means more deaths. I think a safe bet would be making a deal with one side, so that if the elves support Celene or Gaspard, they would have to grand them freedom, or at least some kind of rewards when they win the civil war. Anyhow, It's too early to say.

[Medhia Nox]

While I don't want to see the elves finding their freedom - if they do so because a human saved them from their situation and made their rebellion successful - I'd like it even less.

I'd very much prefer a story about elvish liberation (if we must have one) to have an elven protagonist.

[MisanthropePrime]

DA:I's still set to come out in 2013, right? And the book is coming out in 2014? I doubt that this book is gonna be a prequel to the game- perhaps whatever the player character does in the game destabilizes Orlais enough so that Gaspard tries to grab power, but that's it.

[MisterJB]

And why is it important to side with the elves? Legit question.
I understand that you want the elves to have the Dales back. I don't support it but I understand it.
Let's say both Celene and Gaspard are willing to give it to them in exchange for their help in ending the Civil War. What is so disagreable about this?
Would it be unnaceptable for the elves to have a new nation if the humans assisted them in gaining it?

[dragondreamer]

Medhia Nox wrote...

While I don't want to see the elves finding their freedom - if they do so because a human saved them from their situation and made their rebellion successful - I'd like it even less.

I'd very much prefer a story about elvish liberation (if we must have one) to have an elven protagonist.

As much as I love the idea of an elvish rebellion finally happening...this is the one thing that has been bothering me.  It would be much better with an elven PC, even as an option, than for the elves to always be led to victory by a human.  It's Andraste all over again.  

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

And why is it important to side with the elves? Legit question.

I'm not certain 'important' is the right word. I would find the opportunity to side with the elves to be interesting, since I don't really find the choice to side with either Celene or Gaspard to motivate me at all. Perhaps it has something to do with what I've learned about the Orlesian Empire playing as a Ferelden protagonist, but I'm honestly not concerned about Orlais at all. Perhaps you feel differently about the possible choice the player might face in Inquisition regarding the Orlesian civil war.

Why side with the elves? For the same reason some players want to side with the templars, and why other players want to side with the mages. It's something that interests them. Perhaps I would prefer to play as a protagonist who isn't interested in assisting either Celene or Gaspard. Having options is appealing to me, and would likely be entertaining for other players as well. The same reason why there are options in New Vegas to side with the Legion, the NCR, Mr. House, or for an independent Vegas. And why the player can side with the Stormcloaks or the Legion in Skyrim, when the Dragonborn is faced with the decision to help one side or the other in the struggle for Skyrim (or even refusing to take sides in the conflict).

It's about pursuing a course of action that the player could find entertaining.

MisterJB wrote...

I understand that you want the elves to have the Dales back. I don't support it but I understand it.
Let's say both Celene and Gaspard are willing to give it to them in exchange for their help in ending the Civil War. What is so disagreable about this?
Would it be unnaceptable for the elves to have a new nation if the humans assisted them in gaining it?

Since the protagonist has been reported by the developers to be "human only", the player aiding the elves and working with their leaders toward a mutually beneficial goal would essentially have a 'human' working with the elves toward this goal.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Not likely. Even if all the elves would join together they would never defeat humans. Think about it, that Dalish has nothing but hunters, and City Elves are nothing more then lowlifes, they can never ever match a strenght of  trained army, let alone something like Templars.

Not to mention that YOU are a human, it would be borderline stupid for PC to side with racial enemies(Something like Hawke Mage, i hope its not repeated).

Modifié par Chaos Lord Malek, 01 avril 2013 - 07:31 .

[azarhal]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

DA:I's still set to come out in 2013, right? And the book is coming out in 2014? I doubt that this book is gonna be a prequel to the game- perhaps whatever the player character does in the game destabilizes Orlais enough so that Gaspard tries to grab power, but that's it.

We have enough hints to put that book concurrent to Asunder (Celene/Gaspar, Dalish gathering at Halamshiral, etc), so it is pre-DAIII. The book will details the Orlesian civil war mentioned in Asunder.

I suspect we might see some Chantry involvement too...

[BlueMagitek]

Hopefully not. The Elves have never been successful in large numbers, and I'd rather have Orlais against the Qunari than a bunch of untrained civilians beaten down by years of oppression.

[M Hedonist]

I'm not sure if I want to side with any of those.
I mean, who are these two guys?

BlueMagitek wrote...

Hopefully not. The Elves have never been successful in large numbers, and I'd rather have Orlais against the Qunari than a bunch of untrained civilians beaten down by years of oppression.

Wait, the Qunari are attacking?
Am I really out of the loop here or is everyone assuming stuff we don't know yet?

Modifié par Sauruz, 02 avril 2013 - 12:06 .

[BlueMagitek]

Sauruz wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Hopefully not. The Elves have never been successful in large numbers, and I'd rather have Orlais against the Qunari than a bunch of untrained civilians beaten down by years of oppression.

Wait, the Qunari are attacking?
Am I really out of the loop here or is everyone assuming stuff we don't know yet?

Well, Mark of the Assassin had Qunari agents scattered about through Thedas, trouble seems brewing up North.

But I don't believe Qunari have yet to be confirmed as the main enemy.  But it is a large guess. :happy:

[Fast Jimmy]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Hopefully not. The Elves have never been successful in large numbers, and I'd rather have Orlais against the Qunari than a bunch of untrained civilians beaten down by years of oppression.

Wait, the Qunari are attacking?
Am I really out of the loop here or is everyone assuming stuff we don't know yet?

Well, Mark of the Assassin had Qunari agents scattered about through Thedas, trouble seems brewing up North.

But I don't believe Qunari have yet to be confirmed as the main enemy.  But it is a large guess. :happy:

As Sten said, the Qunari will invade Thedas. In full force. It is not a matter of "if" but a matter of "when."

So assuming that they wouldn't do that in-game is kind of silly. But we don't know if it will be in DA3, DA4 or DA9.

[BlueMagitek]

Well are the Qunari ready for Thedas? Thanks to Sten (if he joins the Warden) he knows full well how deadly the Darkspawn are, and they don't have anything to counter it. If they were smart, they'd just let Thedas deal with the last blights, and when the final one ends, invade.

Of course, Qunari aren't really far sighted like that, so I imagine that we will be seeing them prior to the end of the Blights.

[Xilizhra]

If everything works out the way I want it to, Celene and the elves will join forces anyway by the end of this novel, so as of now, I'm holding out hope for that. And then preparing to squish Gaspard's head.

[BlueMagitek]

Foshizzlin wrote...

I'd much prefer to help the Elves.

The Dalish don't deserve your help, they've brought this upon themselves.

The City Elves, however, do need help.

[Xilizhra]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

I'd much prefer to help the Elves.

The Dalish don't deserve your help, they've brought this upon themselves.

The City Elves, however, do need help.

And I would bring wrath upon the Orlesians if possible, unless they'd be willing to work with us.

[iOnlySignIn]

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

I'd much prefer to help the Elves.

The Dalish don't deserve your help, they've brought this upon themselves.

The City Elves, however, do need help.

And I would bring wrath upon the Orlesians if possible, unless they'd be willing to work with us.

But you have no wrath. All you have is mild indignation.

[BlueMagitek]

Foshizzlin wrote...

I'd still prefer to help both the Dalish and City Elves, Magitek. I've never liked Orlesians personally, other than Leliana and that Grey Warden who the Archdemon kills.

The Dalish don't answer to anyone, though.  They're a segregated group of nomads who believe in silly beliefs such as the Quickening.  They'll threaten travellers in the woods just for passing by an encampment, and they're quite racist towards City Elves, if I remember the Tabris/Dalish meeting in DA:O. 

Let them continue to travel the earth while the City Elves actually work to make something of themselves by working alongside humans and raise themselves as equals.  The Dalish can muck about in their squalor as long as they wish.

Hmm, is that so?  What about Duncan?  He was raised in Orlais.  But yes, Bioware has gone out of it's way with "WHO IS THEESE WOMAN TEEGAN" , hasn't it? 

Give Orlais a chance, we've only met a few of them and some have not been the best representatives.

[Xilizhra]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

I'd much prefer to help the Elves.

The Dalish don't deserve your help, they've brought this upon themselves.

The City Elves, however, do need help.

And I would bring wrath upon the Orlesians if possible, unless they'd be willing to work with us.

But you have no wrath. All you have is mild indignation.

Well... all right, you've got me there. Paragoning everything is sometimes a burden.

Let them continue to travel the earth while the City Elves actually work
to make something of themselves by working alongside humans and raise
themselves as equals.  The Dalish can muck about in their squalor as
long as they wish.

Humans will never allow it; that sort of thing only works when the people are more integrated. The elves probably have to take what they need.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 02 avril 2013 - 03:01 .

[omgodzilla]

Would be cool if we got to commit genocide on the elves.

[CuriousArtemis]

LobselVith8 wrote...

What if I'm not inclined to help Celene or Gaspard, though? I'm genuinely more interested in aiding the elves.

Same!! I love elves  More than petty human wars

I'm thinking more along the line of reclaiming their homeland (the Dales) at the moment.

Well sure that ... plus perhaps passing antidiscrimination laws so that elves could live in the cities as equals and not second class citizens.