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[CDR David Shepard]

AlanC9 wrote...

Hey, how come we're not discussing the really interesting question. Why didn't Gaider get a peace option at Rannoch? Botched Tali's LM? Really bad SM decisions?

I know for me...I never had the option for peace till I ran Legions loyalty mission.

I never did that in my first few playthroughs beacause his mission was always the mission I picked right before the Collectors cutscene starts...and I never ran any missions after the suicide mission.

However, even when I did finally run those missions...I never chose the peace option on Rannoch. I just acted as if it wasn't an option.

[AlanC9]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

People hate synthesis because it´s one of worst 3 kind of violations of dignity which ME3 ending has to offer, there is no winning scenario which will punish the Reapers for what they were doing over and over again - the single scenario which do this stuff drag down also Geths as a bargain chip set by Catalyst into final choice just as a reason to choose different choice.

The italed is pure headcanon, of course.

I'm not entirely sure whose dignity you're talking about there.

[LilyasAvalon]

Good for him?

[Bill Casey]

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm not entirely sure whose dignity you're talking about there.

Sapient life...
Nuremberg Code, Helsinki Declaration, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, UNESCO and Bioethics, doesn't ring a bell?

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Can we, for the record, list the parallels between Synthesis and the Aryan agenda of a certain Swastika-Centric regime? I'm getting a bit tired of all of these unfounded comparisons.

Also, inb4 jokes about India (you know, Aryans and swastikas)

Modifié par Leonardo the Magnificent, 02 avril 2013 - 06:15 .

[Ecrulis]

The lead writer of DA choosing synthesis has no bearing on my honest belief that synthesis has no business being a part of the Mass Effect Universe, and that it is a blatant copy past job from Deus Ex.

[Teddie Sage]

I think the ending one person chooses over another one is none of our business at this point, all it does is causing even more trouble. I chose Destroy and I don't actually mind what other people decide to do.

[Bill Casey]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Can we, for the record, lay down the parallels between Synthesis and the Aryan agenda of a certain Swastika-Centric regime? I'm getting a bit tired of all of these unfounded comparisons.

Also, inb4 jokes about India (you know, Aryans and swastikas)

I hope you're not talking to me...
That would mean you just saw the word Nuremberg and didn't pay attention to what I was saying...
They are bioethics documents, and their relevency in ethical discussions should not be diminished...

Military actions are subject to proportionality and distinction, principles laid out by military necessity. Human experimentation and slavery are fundamentally not...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 02 avril 2013 - 06:18 .

[rapscallioness]

It doesn't matter what Gaider chose in his own playthru.

I don't think it even matters to David Gaider. Someone asked what he picked and he said "Green"--it was the least he could do "to make up for the Geth".

No need to bash him. He wasn't the one that pulled a year old tweet out to make a BSN thread.

And abt that OP. Why drag David Gaider into this? You coulda just said all the endings have shades of gray..discuss. I don't even understand why you wanted to point out David Gaider's choice..from a year ago.

So what?

Truth is, we're never gonna see the true consequence of that momentous and final choice. The EC gave us a broad overview, but all were kinda..happy, happy, joy, joy.

I would have liked to have seen the impact of what I consider the most important choice in the whole trilogy. If it hadn't been for EC, we'd have even less of an idea of how our choice hit the galaxy in the long run.

[CDR David Shepard]

john_sheparrd wrote...

People who chose synthesis are stupid and indoctrinated
obviously the have not played the games for real

While these are clearly not the words I would use...

...I do believe that choosing Synthesis or Control means you have become indoctrinated.

It's perfect too...because the indoctrinated believe what they are doing is right...and they rigorously defend it. Which is exactly what those who picked those choices do on these forums.

It's the same as Saren defending Synthesis or TIM defending Control.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 02 avril 2013 - 06:43 .

[Tron Mega]

it took him a year after release to finally finish it?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Tron Mega wrote...

it took him a year after release to finally finish it?

Odd as it is, I have a friend who pre-ordered the CE, and he only just got around to playing the game. He's got a busy life though. He works a lot and has 3 young kids. He only just be at Skyrim recently.

[rapscallioness]

Tron Mega wrote...

it took him a year after release to finally finish it?

No, the tweet the OP used is from a year ago.

[Ecrulis]

Taboo-XX wrote...

David Gaider also liked the romance in Twilight.

JUST SAYING.

Not sure how I missed this one, but if it's true.....well yea it kind of speaks for itself

[Auld Wulf]

Geez, the hate for Gaider is almost as bad as the hate for Synthesis.

What is wrong with you people? Honestly.

You can dislike the work, but hating the man is ridiculous.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 02 avril 2013 - 06:44 .

[ISAWRIT]

Sorry OP, I understand that there are gray areas in each ending, but I don't think a lot of people on here are anywhere near ready to discuss them, as evidenced by the bigotry throughout the thread. Especially one year later. I actually like the concepts in all three endings, but some people are pretty hellbent on finding a "right" one. None of them are right or wrong; they're just the best you have in a bad situation.

I don't know why I keep thinking, "Man, maybe this time we'll actually discuss the endings and their potentials rather than yelling across the room about how awesome Destroy is and how stupid Control and Synthesis are." I'm always disappointed.

What's ironic about the whole thing is that despite how much people claim to hate the endings, they're still supporting one to the death over the others.

[in it for the lolz]

Just going to post this here.....

Synthesis Fact: A fate worse then the Necrons.

[CDR David Shepard]

ISAWRIT wrote...

Sorry OP, I understand that there are gray areas in each ending, but I don't think a lot of people on here are anywhere near ready to discuss them, as evidenced by the bigotry throughout the thread. Especially one year later. I actually like the concepts in all three endings, but some people are pretty hellbent on finding a "right" one. None of them are right or wrong; they're just the best you have in a bad situation.

I don't know why I keep thinking, "Man, maybe this time we'll actually discuss the endings and their potentials rather than yelling across the room about how awesome Destroy is and how stupid Control and Synthesis are." I'm always disappointed.

What's ironic about the whole thing is that despite how much people claim to hate the endings, they're still supporting one to the death over the others.

I think the endings have been throroughly discussed...their potentials and the yelling across the room threads have been made ever since the game came out.

Where have you been?

[Ecrulis]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Geez, the hate for Gaider is almost as bad as the hate for Synthesis.

What is wrong with you people? Honestly.

You can dislike the work, but hating the man is ridiculous.

I agree, no reason to hate the guy (why would I? I don't know him)

I absolutely understand the hate for synthesis however

[Teddie Sage]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Geez, the hate for Gaider is almost as bad as the hate for Synthesis.

What is wrong with you people? Honestly.

You can dislike the work, but hating the man is ridiculous.

I agree with you on that one, but you know how people on BSN are. Out of control.

[ISAWRIT]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

ISAWRIT wrote...

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I think the endings have been throroughly discussed...their potentials and the yelling across the room threads have been made ever since the game came out.

Where have you been?

Here? Then away. Now here again.

I didn't articulate this well enough in my frustration, but my point was that BSN can't discuss this without it derailing or devolving into favoritism. And maybe in the months I was MIA, a glorious thread arose in which discussion and tolerance flourished. In which case, I'd actually like to read it. Seriously.

[CDR David Shepard]

ISAWRIT wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

ISAWRIT wrote...

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I think the endings have been throroughly discussed...their potentials and the yelling across the room threads have been made ever since the game came out.

Where have you been?

Here? Then away. Now here again.

I didn't articulate this well enough in my frustration, but my point was that BSN can't discuss this without it derailing or devolving into favoritism. And maybe in the months I was MIA, a glorious thread arose in which discussion and tolerance flourished. In which case, I'd actually like to read it. Seriously.

I don't think you should expect everyone to view good qualities in endings they wouldn't choose.

They didn't choose those endings for a reason.

I posted many times why I pick Destroy...and I can honestly say that I will never see any good potential in choosing Synthesis and Control over Destroy...and nothing will change that.

I think people discussing/arguing about why they think their choice is better...is the best way to see the potential of each choice.

Granted...flat out sh***ing on someones choice because it wasn't what you picked and not voicing why you picked your choice doesn't help matters. So I can at least agree with you there.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 02 avril 2013 - 07:18 .

[Someone With Mass]

Different scales of pretentiousness would be more accurate. It's not even funny how pointless Synthesis is.

Given enough time, I'm sure the line between organic and synthetic would get blurry on its own and the transition wouldn't be as...stupid.

Synthesis isn't doing anything to stop the Reapers either. They can still find a purpose filled with destruction and death in the future.

The whole theme of it has no place in the Mass Effect universe either. It's just a cop-out for solving the conflict between synthetics and organics. Many of which the Reapers have been responsible for.

The whole thing has been treated as something running on the side of the road rather than being the main theme too, which just makes it jarring when the game suddenly decides that it's the main focus, despite the lack of buildup.

If you don't give either sides reasons to wipe each other out, then there won't be a conflict. In fact, some synthetics have shown that symbiosis is possible. Sure, plenty of them didn't go easy on their creators, but that doesn't mean that they'll treat every other being the same way. It is illogical.

Which is exactly what the Catalyst is running on. Idiocy and absolutes.

I think the galaxy should learn that the hard way and not just hit the "solve everything through disgusting space magic" button.

[Peranor]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Geez, the hate for Gaider is almost as bad as the hate for Synthesis.

What is wrong with you people? Honestly.

You can dislike the work, but hating the man is ridiculous.

I agree with you on that one, but you know how people on BSN are. Out of control.

Replace BSN with The Internet