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[Ecrulis]

Not to mention the whole organics vs synthetics "problem" that is pulled literally out of nowhere in the third game.

[yesikareyes]

The right response to this thread is: Yes, let's just accept that everyone has their own canons and their own basis of what is right and wrong. There is no better ending objectively. It's all a matter of perspective. I've played through all three or four endings, and they aren't all perfect. Each has its own pros and cons. Forums should be a place where we discuss the intricacies of each ending, instead of calling each other names or contributing to a hateful and toxic aura.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

"What about me?" Said the wolf. "Why did I have to be changed?"



Yet synthesis even changes these creatures, making them hybrids. It changes all life.

I have seen people picking on Gaider for not getting the peace option. I did not get the peace option on my first import either. I don't know why. I had cured the genophage with Wrex and thought things were going well. I had rewritten the Heretics in ME2 (which I later found out was a negative to peace), but apparently didn't have enough "reputation" built up (perhaps I didn't talk to enough people and got confused by all the drive by quests -- the power conduits for Purgatory -- I couldn't complete that one... maybe that was it), so I sided with the Quarians and shot Legion (I'm guessing Gaider didn't shoot Legion). Perhaps that was what happened with Gaider's game?

The thing I don't understand is why do you choose to alter ALL life in the galaxy when, at the time the catalyst said "You can choose to destroy all synthetic life if you want. Even you are partly synthetic." Unless your Shepard is a codex nerd, other than the reapers, the only other synthetic life you're aware of is EDI.

And by May, Bioware had already retconned the "being sent back to the stone age" part. FTL drives still function. Starships have VIs on board as their computer systems otherwise they might as well be using slide rules, so those didn't get destroyed. And come to think of it, since the "Virtual Aliens" are in a Virtual Intelligence World not created by a blue box AI, they would not be affected either -- IIRC the codex does not mention a blue box AI.

By May, Destroy wasn't as bad as it was in March, hell it was pretty much the same for all the endings then, when the sequel to Mass Effect 3 was "Quest For Fire".

I think these are fair questions for a game dev whose game we'll be in all likelihood buying late this year or early next year.

[CDR David Shepard]

yesikareyes wrote...

The right response to this thread is: Yes, let's just accept that everyone has their own canons and their own basis of what is right and wrong. There is no better ending objectively. It's all a matter of perspective. I've played through all three or four endings, and they aren't all perfect. Each has its own pros and cons. Forums should be a place where we discuss the intricacies of each ending, instead of calling each other names or contributing to a hateful and toxic aura.

You know logic has no place here.

[AresKeith]

Ofcourse logic has no place here, I mean look at the Starbrat

[David Gaider]

Ecrulis wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

David Gaider also liked the romance in Twilight.

JUST SAYING.

Not sure how I missed this one, but if it's true.....well yea it kind of speaks for itself

Is that nugget seriously still being passed around?

I read the first Twilight novel because I thought it was worth examining. The romance in it obviously struck a chord with some, and I wanted to take a look at how and why rather than relying on the judgement of others-- many of whom probably have neither read the book for themselves or seen any of the movies. I imagine these are the same people who would deride fundamentalists for condemning the content of books they've never read, or hated the reports on "graphic sexual content" in Mass Effect by people who'd clearly never played it or given said content even cursory examination.

I said at the time that Twilight wasn't to my personal taste, but obviously that means I love it and Edward is totally my waifu. It's funnier to say that, and evidently people will believe anything if you repeat it enough.

As for the ME3 ending-- I'm uncertain why anyone should care which one I chose in that playthrough from almost a year ago. If someone needs my character's choice to lend theirs legitimacy... I'm not sure what that says about their own convictions, but it's not good.

Modifié par David Gaider, 02 avril 2013 - 07:47 .

[CDR David Shepard]

David Gaider wrote...
 If someone needs my character's choice to lend theirs legitimacy... I'm not sure what that says about their own convictions, but it's not good.

Truer words were never spoken/typed.

[Ecrulis]

@shotgun, yea the "it changes all life" thing is one of the things that got me, aside from the entire concept of synthesis being asinine in my opinion, why is Shepard qualified to make such a choice (really it's a problem with all the endings, bottom line is shepard just isn't qualified to make god-like choices and this is especially true in synthesis in my opinion).

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David Gaider wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

David Gaider also liked the romance in Twilight.

JUST SAYING.

Not sure how I missed this one, but if it's true.....well yea it kind of speaks for itself

Is that nugget seriously still being passed around?

I read the first Twilight novel because I thought it was worth examining. The romance in it obviously struck a chord with some, and I wanted to take a look at how and why rather than relying on the judgement of others-- many of whom probably have neither read the book for themselves or seen any of the movies. I imagine these are the same people who would deride fundamentalist for condemning the content of books they've never read, or hated the reports on "graphic sexual content" in Mas Effect by people who'd clearly never played it or even examined said content for themselves.

I said at the time that Twilight wasn't to my personal taste, but obviously that means I love it and Edward is totally my waifu. It's funnier to say that, and evidently people will believe anything if you repeat it enough.

As for the ME3 ending-- I'm uncertain why anyone should care which one I chose in that playthrough from almost a year ago. If someone needs my character's choice to lend theirs legitimacy... I'm not sure what that says about their own convictions, but it's not good.

Mr. Gaider's opinion has no effect on mine, and vice versa. I know I'm a vocal BW and ME3 critic, but seriously Gaider has nothing to do with ME. He may be an employee of the same company that made ME, but that's where the similarities end.

I have about as much interest in Mr. Gaider's playthrough as he does mine. He controls his Shepard about as much as I control mine. He likes synthesis. I'd rather condemn the galaxy to death than choose it. 

I've read twilight though. The first one. My opinion is the same as Robert Pattinson's.

The author has serious issues.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 02 avril 2013 - 07:41 .

[Auintus]

David Gaider wrote...

As for the ME3 ending-- I'm uncertain why anyone should care which one I chose in that playthrough from almost a year ago. If someone needs my character's choice to lend theirs legitimacy... I'm not sure what that says about their own convictions, but it's not good.

I think the OP meant to say that if a reasonable individual can select Synthesis, it is clearly not the abomination that some claim it to be. It...went downhill from there.

[Kel Riever]

David Gaider wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

David Gaider also liked the romance in Twilight.

JUST SAYING.

Not sure how I missed this one, but if it's true.....well yea it kind of speaks for itself

Is that nugget seriously still being passed around?

I read the first Twilight novel because I thought it was worth examining. The romance in it obviously struck a chord with some, and I wanted to take a look at how and why rather than relying on the judgement of others-- many of whom probably have neither read the book for themselves or seen any of the movies. I imagine these are the same people who would deride fundamentalists for condemning the content of books they've never read, or hated the reports on "graphic sexual content" in Mas Effect by people who'd clearly never played it or given said content even cursory examination.

I said at the time that Twilight wasn't to my personal taste, but obviously that means I love it and Edward is totally my waifu. It's funnier to say that, and evidently people will believe anything if you repeat it enough.

As for the ME3 ending-- I'm uncertain why anyone should care which one I chose in that playthrough from almost a year ago. If someone needs my character's choice to lend theirs legitimacy... I'm not sure what that says about their own convictions, but it's not good.

Holy earth mother.  Twilight is Mass Effect 4 and you get to play David's waifu.  Proven by the above quote!

[GreyLycanTrope]

David Gaider wrote...
Is that nugget seriously still being passed around?

I read the first Twilight novel because I thought it was worth examining. The romance in it obviously struck a chord with some, and I wanted to take a look at how and why rather than relying on the judgement of others-- many of whom probably have neither read the book for themselves or seen any of the movies. I imagine these are the same people who would deride fundamentalists for condemning the content of books they've never read, or hated the reports on "graphic sexual content" in Mass Effect by people who'd clearly never played it or given said content even cursory examination.

I said at the time that Twilight wasn't to my personal taste, but obviously that means I love it and Edward is totally my waifu. It's funnier to say that, and evidently people will believe anything if you repeat it enough.

As for the ME3 ending-- I'm uncertain why anyone should care which one I chose in that playthrough from almost a year ago. If someone needs my character's choice to lend theirs legitimacy... I'm not sure what that says about their own convictions, but it's not good.

I especially like that last part, it has weight.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 02 avril 2013 - 07:40 .

[KENNY4753]

I have to ask. Is anybody sure he didnt get synthesis by accident. Maybe he was just expolring the crucible and got too close to the beam forcing the synthesis cutscene but was so disgusted by the endings he couldnt bring himself to reload and choose destroy..

[Eterna]

This thread sums up everything that is wrong with the BSN.

.... bloody animals...

[CDR David Shepard]

KENNY4753 wrote...

I have to ask. Is anybody sure he didnt get synthesis by accident. Maybe he was just expolring the crucible and got too close to the beam forcing the synthesis cutscene but was so disgusted by the endings he couldnt bring himself to reload and choose destroy..

Hahahaha...that is exactly what happened to me the first time.

I didn't realize you had to go up the different ramps to make your choice. I thought you got to choose when you went into the beam.

I was going to choose destroy...but the synthesis cutscene automatically played.

Needless to say I was highly confused and upset...mostly at myself for not paying close attention on what to do.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I remember I hit synthesis the first time. It was presented so badly, that I simply had no clue what the **** was going on. Green beam of death, then major plot hole jump initiated, and bam, Joker and EDI are on Gilligan's planet.

I was in utter disbelief for nearly a week. It was... horrifying.

[Ecrulis]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I remember I hit synthesis the first time. It was presented so badly, that I simply had no clue what the **** was going on. Green beam of death, then major plot hole jump initiated, and bam, Joker and EDI are on Gilligan's planet.

I was in utter disbelief for nearly a week. It was... horrifying.

Please lets not go into gilligan's planet, the EC renders that entire scene even more pointless.

[Auintus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

"What about me?" Said the wolf. "Why did I have to be changed?"

If you'll recall, Okeer didn't give two **** about curing the genophage. He believed that they would survive regardless. Several krogan also were opposed to the cure, mostly by virtue of its source. Yet you change the entire population of Tuchanka without taking a poll.
Wait, nevermind. You clearly did not cure the genophage, since you are so obviously for the free will of every living being. In which case you are wrong in my eyes, rather than your own.

Additionally, a benign, if unwanted, biological modification is a small crime compared to the death of the Geth, EDI, and erasure of the memories of the harvested.

[ruggly]

There's a difference between one race and all of the races.

[David Gaider]

KENNY4753 wrote...

I have to ask. Is anybody sure he didnt get synthesis by accident. Maybe he was just expolring the crucible and got too close to the beam forcing the synthesis cutscene but was so disgusted by the endings he couldnt bring himself to reload and choose destroy..

I weighed the options and chose what I felt was the lesser of three evils. I stand by my choice and am perfectly capable of thinking for myself, thanks.

[Auintus]

KENNY4753 wrote...

I have to ask. Is anybody sure he didnt get synthesis by accident. Maybe he was just expolring the crucible and got too close to the beam forcing the synthesis cutscene but was so disgusted by the endings he couldnt bring himself to reload and choose destroy..

Son of a 

Modifié par Auintus, 02 avril 2013 - 07:47 .

[CDR David Shepard]

Auintus wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

"What about me?" Said the wolf. "Why did I have to be changed?"

If you'll recall, Okeer didn't give two **** about curing the genophage. He believed that they would survive regardless. Several krogan also were opposed to the cure, mostly by virtue of its source. Yet you change the entire population of Tuchanka without taking a poll.
Wait, nevermind. You clearly did not cure the genophage, since you are so obviously for the free will of every living being. In which case you are wrong in my eyes, rather than your own.

Additionally, a benign, if unwanted, biological modification is a small crime compared to the death of the Geth, EDI, and erasure of the memories of the harvested.

Wait...are you honestly comparing the curing of the genophage to synthesis?

[Argolas]

Kel Riever wrote...

Holy earth mother.  Twilight is Mass Effect 4 and you get to play David's waifu.  Proven by the above quote!

I was there first.


Okay people, sorry for that, I'm out of this thread for now.