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[GreyLycanTrope]

Eterna5 wrote...
And there is the crux of the problem isn't it? You fear change. You fear the unkown. 

Or that she just thinks it's an unnessairy and very extreme solution that comes in conflict with ones value of self-determinism.

Maybe people don't fear change they might just not agree with forcing it on everyone even those who don't need it?

Mind blowing I know, but not everyone is motivated by fear.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ruggly wrote...

Will it make you feel better if I post this sloth?



because baby sloths are effing adorable

Well, it helped me. The stupidity in this thread was getting in my head, but it's better now.
Cheers! 

This thread has made me see what Mr. Gaider was talking about a while back when he was depressed about even looking at this site.

Happy Sloth!

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 02 avril 2013 - 08:05 .

[Eterna]

Fawx9 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

"What about me?" Said the wolf. "Why did I have to be changed?"



Yet synthesis even changes these creatures, making them hybrids. It changes all life.

And there is the crux of the problem isn't it? You fear change. You fear the unkown. 

Or it's that the galaxy isn't so broken that we feel the need to change it. 

Then don't. But  don't degrade and belittle the people who disagree with you. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Eterna5 wrote...

Then don't. But  don't degrade and belittle the people who disagree with you. 

Then don't. But don't degrade and belittle the people who disagree with you.

[Eterna]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...
The right response to this thread is: Yes, let's just accept that everyone has their own canons and their own basis of what is right and wrong. There is no better ending objectively. It's all a matter of perspective. I've played through all three or four endings, and they aren't all perfect. Each has its own pros and cons. Forums should be a place where we discuss the intricacies of each ending, instead of calling each other names or contributing to a hateful and toxic aura.

QFT x 1000000

The sad truth until I build my own crucible to destroy and control all the people who like the ending and synthesis.

There are no pros to synthesis. The whole ending is a Faustian Bargain.

Wow, the utter arrogance. 

From you, I give my thanks. 

If you can't see the good Synthesis brings to the table then power too you. . 

Modifié par Eterna5, 02 avril 2013 - 08:07 .

[Ecrulis]

Fawx9 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

"What about me?" Said the wolf. "Why did I have to be changed?"



Yet synthesis even changes these creatures, making them hybrids. It changes all life.

And there is the crux of the problem isn't it? You fear change. You fear the unkown. 

Or it's that the galaxy isn't so broken that we feel the need to change it. 

This, the entire premise of the "problem" presented in ME3 is utter nonsense, in fact the game itself contradicts the problem.

A. Peace is possible with the Geth

B. The Quarrians are CLEARLY the aggressors in both wars, if anything ME3 proves synthetics need protection against organics

C. the only synthetics that have actually attacked organics without provocation have been reapers or because of reapers (geth in ME1 were heretics)

D. In the prothean cycle from what I remember they were winning their war against synthetics when the reapers invaded

E. There is literally no lead in to this problem, because it was hastily created solely for the third game and thus there is no evidence it exists at all in the first two games.

F. EDI craps all over the supposed existance of this problem

Modifié par Ecrulis, 02 avril 2013 - 08:08 .

[ruggly]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ruggly wrote...

Will it make you feel better if I post this sloth?



because baby sloths are effing adorable

Well, it helped me. The stupidity in this thread was getting in my head, but it's better now.

Cheers! 

There's three more where that came from!

[Eterna]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Then don't. But  don't degrade and belittle the people who disagree with you. 

Then don't. But don't degrade and belittle the people who disagree with you.

I haven't. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Eterna5 wrote...
If you can't see the good Synthesis brings to the table then power too you. . 

Synthesis brings about as much good as bringing a box of matches to a gas station.

Tell me, what good do you see from synthesis?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 02 avril 2013 - 08:10 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Eterna5 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Then don't. But  don't degrade and belittle the people who disagree with you. 

Then don't. But don't degrade and belittle the people who disagree with you.

I haven't. 

Yes you have. You do it regularly.

[AresKeith]

Eterna5 wrote...

Then don't. But  don't degrade and belittle the people who disagree with you. 

Says the person who just did it

[Seival]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

twitter.com/davidgaider/status/208430894174842880

David Gaider chose Synthesis. Interestingly, he didn't have the peace option on Rannoch, so he sided with the quarians. He also wasn't thrilled to discover that a peace option was possible.

Anyway, can we finally just accept that people who choose Synthesis are not megalomaniacal racists who wish to bend the universe to their will? It's a valid ending option with shades of gray, just like the other choices. Yes, it's loaded with pseudoscience and mysticism, but there are ways to get around the poor writing. If you don't like it, then pick one of the other endings. Picking Control does not mean that you approve of dictatorships, and picking Destroy does not mean that you are a neo-Luddite.

Synthesis is beautiful. Beautiful as any true step forward on the path of becoming something greater. Beautiful as nature and evolution themselves.

[Nerevar-as]

Mr.House wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Holy earth mother.  Twilight is Mass Effect 4 and you get to play David's waifu.  Proven by the above quote!

You did it now. You forgot to put the [sarcasm] [/sarcasm]

This is the Internet. People take things way too seriously if you don't.

And I agree with him. If someone needs his character's choice to lend their's legitimacy... there is a problem with that person's convictions. I don't need Gaider's character's choice to lend mine legitimacy one bit. However, that's not what I was asking. I'm not going to flame him over it.

We joke, and jab, but as far as writing story content, Mac is no David Gaider. We've known that since DA:O. I still have hope for DA3 only because of David

AFAiK, we have Mr Gaider to thank for Aribeth ending down in hell, Viconia killed for saving a baby brother´s life, and all the utter nosense of DA2. So he can also miss on an epic scale.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 02 avril 2013 - 08:11 .

[Auintus]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

That still means that the OP needed Gaider's character's choice to lend theirs legitimacy.

If they didn't...this thread wouldn't exist...or at least it would be titled "Can we just accept that every ending has shades of gray" without any mention of Gaider's choice.

Even then...the thread would still be about the OP lacking their own conviction and needing others to agree with thier choice.

Not exactly. The point of bringing up Gaider's opinion is that he is a rather respected and well-known(here, anyway) individual. I can say that my mother agrees with Synthesis and that won't mean anything to anyone. But we know that Gaider is not completely insane(probably). So it means that Synthesis is a valid choice from a rational perspective. It's less "Gaider chose this" and more "A rational, well-known individual chose this." Which applies the "DNA-raping bastard" descriptor to someone who is more than an avatar and some text.
Welcome to the club, Gaider. The leather jackets are being back-ordered, so I don't know when they'll be in.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seival wrote...
Synthesis is beautiful. Beautiful as any true step forward on the path of becoming something greater. Beautiful as nature and evolution themselves.

I'm afraid Mr. Gaider's name will now be used as a confirmation bias for all synthesizers now. I doubt that's what he intended.

I'm sorry, I disagree. I believe synthesis is utterly terrifying. Something greater. That is something that is always ascribed for everyone. But you don't need synthesis to do it. Certainly not the one prsecribed by the Reapers.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 02 avril 2013 - 08:13 .

[Eterna]

Ecrulis wrote...

A. Peace is possible with the Geth

Good ****ing job. I'm sure that since you made peace once peace will then last forever, just like it did after the first world war!

B. The Quarrians are CLEARLY the aggressors in both wars, if anything ME3 proves synthetics need protection against organics

Irrelevant. 

C. the only synthetics that have actually attacked organics without provocation have been reapers or because of reapers (geth in ME1 were heretics)

That's the point, the Reapers begin the harvest before truly dangerous Synthetics are created. 

D. In the prothean cycle from what I remember they were winning their war against synthetics when the reapers invaded

So what?

E. There is literally no lead in to this problem, because it was hastily created solely for the third game and thus there is no evidence it exists at all in the first two games.

Incorrect, there are plenty of instances over all three games that show dangerous technology when used by organics is dsngerous for their health. 

F. EDI craps all over the supposed existance of this problem

Yes, the whole entire problem is disproved by one individual. In that case every single German was bad because Hitler was bad. 

[Nerevar-as]

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is beautiful. Beautiful as any true step forward on the path of becoming something greater. Beautiful as nature and evolution themselves.

I´d call evolution anything but beautiful. Its road is littered with all who didn´t make it.

[Auintus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
If you can't see the good Synthesis brings to the table then power too you. . 

Synthesis brings about as much good as bringing a box of matches to a gas station.

Tell me, what good do you see from synthesis?

Heheh...Wait, are you serious?

[Eterna]

AresKeith wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Then don't. But  don't degrade and belittle the people who disagree with you. 

Says the person who just did it

Where?

[Mr.House]

It would have been funnier if Gaider shot starbrat by accident.

[CosmicGnosis]

Okay, everyone. Let's take a deep breath. Please don't insult anyone. I don't want this thread to be locked because people can't control themselves.

Also, it's kind of well-known in this forum that I've struggled to commit to an ending for an entire year. Out of curiosity, I discovered that Gaider had chosen Synthesis. Well, I thought that was interesting, and I wanted to share this knowledge with you. Even if he had chosen Destroy, I still would have created this thread. I respect him as a writer, so his choice did mean something to me.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 02 avril 2013 - 08:18 .

[in it for the lolz]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

A. Peace is possible with the Geth

Good ****ing job. I'm sure that since you made peace once peace will then last forever, just like it did after the first world war!

B. The Quarrians are CLEARLY the aggressors in both wars, if anything ME3 proves synthetics need protection against organics

Irrelevant. 

C. the only synthetics that have actually attacked organics without provocation have been reapers or because of reapers (geth in ME1 were heretics)

That's the point, the Reapers begin the harvest before truly dangerous Synthetics are created. 

D. In the prothean cycle from what I remember they were winning their war against synthetics when the reapers invaded

So what?

E. There is literally no lead in to this problem, because it was hastily created solely for the third game and thus there is no evidence it exists at all in the first two games.

Incorrect, there are plenty of instances over all three games that show dangerous technology when used by organics is dsngerous for their health. 

F. EDI craps all over the supposed existance of this problem

Yes, the whole entire problem is disproved by one individual. In that case every single German was bad because Hitler was bad. 

Hitler was not a German.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Auintus wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
If you can't see the good Synthesis brings to the table then power too you. . 

Synthesis brings about as much good as bringing a box of matches to a gas station.

Tell me, what good do you see from synthesis?

Heheh...Wait, are you serious?

Probably not, but go ahead.

[Seival]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is beautiful. Beautiful as any true step forward on the path of becoming something greater. Beautiful as nature and evolution themselves.

I´d call evolution anything but beautiful. Its road is littered with all who didn´t make it.

The path of life is littered with all who didn´t make it. And eventually each of us becomes "someone who didn't make it". Does that mean life isn't beautiful?

Personally, I believe that life is beautiful.

[CDR David Shepard]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Okay, everyone. Let's take a deep breath. Please don't insult anyone. I don't want this thread to be locked because people can't control themselves.

Also, it's kind of well-known in this forum that I've struggled to commit to an ending for an entire year. Out of curiosity, I discovered that Gaider had chosen Synthesis. Well, I that was interesting, and I wanted to share this knowledge with you. Even if he had chosen Destroy, I still would have created this thread. I respect him as a writer, so his choice did mean something for me.

Much props for truth.