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[AresKeith]

Eterna5 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
If you feel that way then don't pick Synthesis. 

I won't but I will protest you using arguements that people don't like the option simply because they don't understand or fear it. It's condesending.

I never said they don't understand it, I said they don't like change. Which if you read this thread, seems to be the most common argument against it. 

YOU think people don't like change when that isn't the issue, its about it being forced and not happening naturally over time

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

Everyone was not ready, not even the current cycle was ready.

Says who? You?

If everyone in the galaxy was ready, why is the Reapers not attacking everyone?

[Eterna]

AresKeith wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

I love reading controllers and synthesizers arguments. they make me lol.

like how synthesis lets everybody use advanced tech safely. Where does synthesis show this. All it shoes are the same slideshow pics but people have green vains or whatever.

That doesnt mean people are perfect and not f up. Nobody is perfect and everybody can never be perfect (not everybody sees everybody the same way and people dont see the same things as right or perfect). That means wars will still break out and people will still make mistakes.

Of course the devs would never show you this as it would ruin their favorite ending

It isn't supposed to remove war and make everlasting peace. IT is supposed to remove the threat of advnced technology. 

And whats to stop them from making even more advanced technology?

And according to the Starbrat that wasn't the problem of the cycles

Nothing, the point is they'll always be on the same level of their technology because they're intergrated with it. 

And actually that is exactly the problem with the cycles, the organics own creations are killing them. He only mentions Synthetics, but it doesn't just have to be Synthetics. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Scepsis wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
In a word, no.

You're not helping the toxicity levels on these boards.

That's why I wear the gas mask.

*facepalm*
...and my point is missed entirely.

I see you still haven't learned how to read sarcasm yet. We'll make nihilistic, depressed, cynical, BSN troll master out of you yet. 

[Eterna]

AresKeith wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
If you feel that way then don't pick Synthesis. 

I won't but I will protest you using arguements that people don't like the option simply because they don't understand or fear it. It's condesending.

I never said they don't understand it, I said they don't like change. Which if you read this thread, seems to be the most common argument against it. 

YOU think people don't like change when that isn't the issue, its about it being forced and not happening naturally over time

Complaining about something being unnatural in a space stage civilization seems a tad silly. 

[AlanC9]

cyrexwingblade wrote...
I don't like Synthesis because without metagaming, my Shepard has no reason to believe it's legitimate. The only 'synthesis' we've seen up to that point is Saren and Reaper ground forces, none of which she'd actually want inflicted on anyone she knows. She'd Destroy if it wouldn't kill an entire race of allies and one of her friends. So she's left with Control, and is weeping all the way to the blue pedestal.

Weeping for who? Surely not herself.

But yeah, there's doesn't seem to be any particularly good reason for Shepard to embrace Synthesis over Control. If the races of the galaxy want Synthesis they can find their own way there.

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 avril 2013 - 09:25 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Eterna5 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
If you feel that way then don't pick Synthesis. 

I won't but I will protest you using arguements that people don't like the option simply because they don't understand or fear it. It's condesending.

I never said they don't understand it, I said they don't like change. Which if you read this thread, seems to be the most common argument against it. 

Actually most of the people I know who pick red over green do it because their goal was to kill the cuttlefish, not solve star brat's "problem"

[ruggly]

It's a big leap of faith (heh) to say that every single civilization in that cycle is ready for it. There could be all sorts of negative reactions that we don't know about, because all negatives are swept underneath the rug. Races involved in the war may be ready, but those non space faring/primitive races? Why should I assume that they are also ready. We don't know anything about them. I don't think that my Shepards speak for the entire galaxy, it would be pretty arrogant to do so.

[Auintus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You forget about bigotry and prejudice. The prothean husks lasted 50,000 years, or were they reproductively viable at first? Or not. Or did they just last and last and last. Or was that just an ass pull?

Prejudice towards your own people? Say someone hates people in wheelchairs for some godforsaken reason, then their mom loses her legs in an accident. If they start hating her, they should be shot, repeatedly. That would take a level of ego and inflexibility that they should be eliminated as a threat to all civilized society. Husks are much the same. They were once just like you.
The collectors are a bit different. They were modified on a more complete level, entire systems rewritten to suit the Reapers' purposes. Most of them dropped dead when they were freed from the Reaper's control. The current cycle hasn't had that time yet.

[AresKeith]

Eterna5 wrote...

Nothing, the point is they'll always be on the same level of their technology because they're intergrated with it. 

And actually that is exactly the problem with the cycles, the organics own creations are killing them. He only mentions Synthetics, but it doesn't just have to be Synthetics. 

Maybe because that's what he thinks is the problem

Eterna5 wrote...

Complaining about something being unnatural in a space stage civilization seems a tad silly. 

And you claiming to know why people don't like something seems a tad silly

[Auintus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I see my large argument against synthesis got ignored.

Many arguments are ignored here. Pointing it out won't change anything. You're probably wrong in some way anyway.

[MegaSovereign]

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

[Steelcan]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

. It isn't necessary.  Synthesis is inevitable, remember?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Auintus wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I see my large argument against synthesis got ignored.

Many arguments are ignored here. Pointing it out won't change anything. You're probably wrong in some way anyway.

You're a pleasant fellow aren't you?

[JamieCOTC]

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

Everyone was not ready, not even the current cycle was ready.

Says who? You?

If everyone in the galaxy was ready, why is the Reapers not attacking everyone?

The galaxy is "ready" because Shepard brought all the species together. You can't look at it beyond that simple symbolism or the logic behind the story breaks down. Another reason the ending breaks down is because Mass Effect 3 didn't need a "twist" ending, but that's another thread.

[Eterna]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

It is necessary if you believe it is necessary. If you don't, then there are three other options. That's why they gave us choice. 

[Auintus]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Auintus wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I see my large argument against synthesis got ignored.

Many arguments are ignored here. Pointing it out won't change anything. You're probably wrong in some way anyway.

You're a pleasant fellow aren't you?

I try. 
It's an exercise in psychology, actually. I'd tell you what I'm doing, but that might affect their reaction and corrupt my data.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Rikketik wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Keiji's Grey Box becomes sapient according to the "twitter canon". Before synthesis, Keiji's Grey Box is a recording of a bunch of memories that Keiji and Kasumi shared + a bunch of stuff that would embarrass the Alliance. IOW Tech. It is nothing more than extending this.

It seems to be the complete opposite. Keiji comes to life again because his memories, or at least a sufficient portion of it, were still there. It's like preserving someone's brain and implementing it into a new body. With those husks, they come alive and somehow automatically grow a new brain--with all the memories from their previous destroyed brains in them, no less. How does that make sense?

Over time their organs become replaced by cybernetics. The purpose of the cybernetics is to allow the body to be controlled by the reaper. Nothing is mentioned that the cybernetics do not retain the memories of the person. It is obvious that the cybernetics gain awareness in synthesis from the cutscenes at the end. And if they gain awareness, how is it not then possible that they do not gain sapience if Keiji's Grey Box does? Why does this not make any sense?

I realize such a thought makes synthesis seem less desireable now that there are billions of sapient husks, cannibals, banshees, and brutes running around.

Think of it as zombification, and if you were able to partially reverse the process to where the person regained the sense of who they once were, but were still a zombie, but no longer decaying. Just one ugly mo****f*****.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

. It isn't necessary.  Synthesis is inevitable, remember?

I know it will work!!!!

...Totally not indoctrinated or anything...

[Auintus]

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

It is necessary if you believe it is necessary. If you don't, then there are three other options. That's why they gave us choice. 

Two other options. Refuse doesn't break the cycle.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Eterna5 wrote...

I never said they don't understand it, I said they don't like change. Which if you read this thread, seems to be the most common argument against it. 

"And there is the crux of the problem isn't it? You fear change. You fear the unkown. "
The option (synthesis) is change. Saying someone fears it because they fear the unknown implies they don't understand it.

And again it's not just a case of not liking it but seeing it as pointless and unneeded(part of why they find it so offensive I'd wager), that goes for quite a few people who posted in this thread.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 02 avril 2013 - 09:39 .

[AresKeith]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

Everyone was not ready, not even the current cycle was ready.

Says who? You?

If everyone in the galaxy was ready, why is the Reapers not attacking everyone?

The galaxy is "ready" because Shepard brought all the species together. You can't look at it beyond that simple symbolism or the logic behind the story breaks down. Another reason the ending breaks down is because Mass Effect 3 didn't need a "twist" ending, but that's another thread.

Especially sense its the end of Shepard's story and basically everyone from that trilogy

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Auintus wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You forget about bigotry and prejudice. The prothean husks lasted 50,000 years, or were they reproductively viable at first? Or not. Or did they just last and last and last. Or was that just an ass pull?

Prejudice towards your own people? Say someone hates people in wheelchairs for some godforsaken reason, then their mom loses her legs in an accident. If they start hating her, they should be shot, repeatedly. That would take a level of ego and inflexibility that they should be eliminated as a threat to all civilized society. Husks are much the same. They were once just like you.
The collectors are a bit different. They were modified on a more complete level, entire systems rewritten to suit the Reapers' purposes. Most of them dropped dead when they were freed from the Reaper's control. The current cycle hasn't had that time yet.

I think someone needs a dose of reality. Go out into the real world for a few years.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

It is necessary if you believe it is necessary. If you don't, then there are three other options. That's why they gave us choice. 

That's all well and good but you seem to be arguing that people don't pick Synthesis because they fear change.

When in reality most of the people who pick Destroy for example just want to kill the Reapers, end the war and all that.

[Steelcan]

@Grand Admiral Cheesecake

Modifié par Steelcan, 02 avril 2013 - 09:38 .