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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Auintus wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

HA! You are wrong! Refuse does break the cycle! I've got you now!

The next cycle eliminates the Reapers. They destroy them. We fought a terrible war so they don't have to.

You died. You lost. Game over. You failed.
The next round broke the cycle. With Glyph's help, of course, but the fact remains that you had the chance and failed to capitalize, leaving someone else to pick up the slack. They did it, not you. If you consider that victory, that's your game, but I can't.

It's never stated how they won. Hell, I think Javik would call it a victory for the Protheans if you beat the Reapers.

I consider it victory from a certain point of view. You're condemning it because you don't like it.

[ObserverStatus]

Scepsis wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Scepsis wrote...
*facepalm*
...and my point is missed entirely.

I can accept that the gamers who chose this option are not bad people. After all, it is just a game. However, I still think that in this case they would prove that the character they play is a bad person.

Adding fuel to the prevebial fire doesn't help the toxicity of these boards was what I meant originally.

And I dismissed your assertion that I should be concerned about the site's toxicity.

Your sig speaks otherwise. 

It's meant to be ironic.

[Auintus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Auintus wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I see my large argument against synthesis got ignored.

Many arguments are ignored here. Pointing it out won't change anything. You're probably wrong in some way anyway.

Why don't you take a look at it and tell me whats wrong.

The goal with that comment was to get you to repost that particular argument. You post here frequently, I have no idea which one you are talking about.

[AlanC9]

cerberus1701 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

HA! You are wrong! Refuse does break the cycle! I've got you now!

The next cycle eliminates the Reapers. They destroy them. We fought a terrible war so they don't have to.

It does break the cycle, but, wait for it,  you have no ideal at all if the end scene is the NEXT cycle.

You assume, but that scene could have been 10 cycles down the road. Or more.

Good point. 

Anyway, it's more accurate to say that Refuse is utterly irrelevant here. By the time Shepard gets to the end Liara has already broken the cycles.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

J. Reezy wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

"You're probably wrong is some way anyway"

Seriously!? You really dont even care what her point was before you claim she is wrong. well way to be one sided and so full of yourself.

I really hope you were being sarcastic

Thanks for backing me up man.

But, I'm a dude...

You have a pic of Miranda, therefore, woman. And I'm a potato.

That's my Reezy!

[WheatleyHQ]

Who the **** is David Gaider?

[AresKeith]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dont forget about the Raloi, Great Admiral Cheesecake

And the Sith lol

pa pa paa pa pa pa papapaaaaaaa

But wait there's more

the next cycle against the Reapers is lead by.... Didact

[KENNY4753]

@MassivelyEffective- Sorry. I didnt even realize I put 'she' in my post. Plus thanks to your avatar I had Miranda on my mind lol

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Scepsis wrote...
All the fault of the people here, I'm afraid. 

Yup.

Wouldn't have it any other way. BSN I love you <3

[Auintus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

It's never stated how they won. Hell, I think Javik would call it a victory for the Protheans if you beat the Reapers.

I consider it victory from a certain point of view. You're condemning it because you don't like it.

It doesn't have to. It's stated that they won. Not you, them. Everyone that you came to know and love over the course of the series died so that you could let somebody else do your work for you. Like I said, if you want to call it victory, go ahead. I simply disagree.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

AresKeith wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dont forget about the Raloi, Great Admiral Cheesecake

And the Sith lol

pa pa paa pa pa pa papapaaaaaaa

But wait there's more

the next cycle against the Reapers is lead by.... Didact

B**** please, the Empire destroys the Reapers...and is promptly obliterated by the Rebels.


...Damn Rebels.

[ObserverStatus]

David Gaider wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...
I have to ask. Is anybody sure he didnt get synthesis by accident. Maybe he was just expolring the crucible and got too close to the beam forcing the synthesis cutscene but was so disgusted by the endings he couldnt bring himself to reload and choose destroy..

I weighed the options and chose what I felt was the lesser of three evils. I stand by my choice and am perfectly capable of thinking for myself, thanks.

I'm sorry to say it, but regardless of what thought at the time, you picked the wrong ending.  By picking synthesis, you ruined the lives of trillions of fictional people and I think you owe BSN an apology for that.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Auintus wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

It's never stated how they won. Hell, I think Javik would call it a victory for the Protheans if you beat the Reapers.

I consider it victory from a certain point of view. You're condemning it because you don't like it.

It doesn't have to. It's stated that they won. Not you, them. Everyone that you came to know and love over the course of the series died so that you could let somebody else do your work for you. Like I said, if you want to call it victory, go ahead. I simply disagree.

And I say that our deaths were a sacrifice that helped them pick up the torch and break the cycle. It's been going on for a billion years. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dont forget about the Raloi, Great Admiral Cheesecake

And the Sith lol

pa pa paa pa pa pa papapaaaaaaa

But wait there's more

the next cycle against the Reapers is lead by.... Didact

B**** please, the Empire destroys the Reapers...and is promptly obliterated by the Rebels.


...Damn Rebels.

And that's when the borg invaded...

[AresKeith]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dont forget about the Raloi, Great Admiral Cheesecake

And the Sith lol

pa pa paa pa pa pa papapaaaaaaa

But wait there's more

the next cycle against the Reapers is lead by.... Didact

B**** please, the Empire destroys the Reapers...and is promptly obliterated by the Rebels.


...Damn Rebels.

The empire led by Didact, nobody can beat that

[Eterna]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

It is necessary if you believe it is necessary. If you don't, then there are three other options. That's why they gave us choice. 

I meant necessary for advancement. Breaking the cycle alone would be a step forward for the galaxy.

Then you're left with an unpoliced galaxy which runs the risk of destroying itself. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 02 avril 2013 - 10:00 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...
B**** please, the Empire destroys the Reapers...and is promptly obliterated by the Rebels.


...Damn Rebels.

You Rebel Scum!

[MegaSovereign]

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

It is necessary if you believe it is necessary. If you don't, then there are three other options. That's why they gave us choice. 

I meant necessary for advancement. Breaking the cycle alone would be a step forward for the galaxy.

Then you're left with an unpoliced galaxy which runs the risk of destroying itself. 

The Reapers are not a form of government.

[Rikketik]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Over time their organs become replaced by cybernetics. The purpose of the cybernetics is to allow the body to be controlled by the reaper. Nothing is mentioned that the cybernetics do not retain the memories of the person. It is obvious that the cybernetics gain awareness in synthesis from the cutscenes at the end. And if they gain awareness, how is it not then possible that they do not gain sapience if Keiji's Grey Box does? Why does this not make any sense?

That it is never stated that the cybernetics don't preserve the memories of the person doesn't automatically mean that the memories are preserved. It's simply not mentioned. I guess we're both just assuming things here.

It's also not obvious, at least not to me, that husks and the like gain awareness in the Synthesis ending. They look up with a look on their face that implies bewilderment, but where is it stated that they actually are surprised and thus gained awareness? Couldn't it just be the Reaper that's controlling it channeling its surprise through the husk? Ot better yet, couldn't it be the standard face of a husk? I mean, take a look as husks while you're fighting them, or just google for pictures: their faces seem to be frozen in a constant state of shock.

So there are a couple of possible answers to what happened to the husks in the Synthesis ending. Which brings me back to my original question: where did this theory, that husks are sapient with all their memories intact, come from and why is it regarded as not a theory but a proven fact when it is anything but?

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I realize such a thought makes synthesis seem less desireable now that there are billions of sapient husks, cannibals, banshees, and brutes running around.

Which is exactly why I think this theory is so easily and commonly accepted as fact by Synthesis' detractors.

[KENNY4753]

sooooooo waffles.......

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

It is necessary if you believe it is necessary. If you don't, then there are three other options. That's why they gave us choice. 

I meant necessary for advancement. Breaking the cycle alone would be a step forward for the galaxy.

Then you're left with an unpoliced galaxy which runs the risk of destroying itself. 

I'd rather have that than giant machines that are destroying everything. Life is a risk. It's how we overcome those problems that makes us advance. The future is always full of uncertainty. But in the chaos, there is hope. Just because we can fail doesn't mean we will. I for one believe that the century following the Reapers destruction will lead to a golden age for the galaxy.