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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Who were promptly EXTERMINATED by the Daleks.

[Auintus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Auintus wrote...

It doesn't have to. It's stated that they won. Not you, them. Everyone that you came to know and love over the course of the series died so that you could let somebody else do your work for you. Like I said, if you want to call it victory, go ahead. I simply disagree.

And I say that our deaths were a sacrifice that helped them pick up the torch and break the cycle. It's been going on for a billion years. 

A loss is a loss if my book, but whatev's. Now, you had an argument on Synthesis that you wanted someone to address, but you post here frequently enough that I'm not going to hazard a guess at which you were refering to. Could you kindly clarify the issue, since attempting to goad clarification out of you has clearly failed?

[Steelcan]

Modifié par Steelcan, 02 avril 2013 - 10:03 .

[AresKeith]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis doesn't make much sense from a role-playing perspective. Why would my Shepard choose to "fix" all life in the galaxy if his original long term goal was to save them?

Synthesis saves them and more. It advances everyone in the galaxy to a stage three civilization. 

We don't know if Synthesis is even necessary. The cycle just got broken.

It is necessary if you believe it is necessary. If you don't, then there are three other options. That's why they gave us choice. 

I meant necessary for advancement. Breaking the cycle alone would be a step forward for the galaxy.

Then you're left with an unpoliced galaxy which runs the risk of destroying itself. 

The Reapers are not a form of government.

If that's the case, then FIGHT THE POWER

[Auintus]

Steelcan wrote...

Don't worry, we'll wait.

[Steelcan]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Who were promptly EXTERMINATED by the Daleks.

. And then...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Who were promptly EXTERMINATED by the Daleks.

. And then...

Nah, man I can think of much worse.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Who were promptly EXTERMINATED by the Daleks.

. And then...

Nah, man I can think of much worse.

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Who were promptly EXTERMINATED by the Daleks.

. And then...

Nah, man I can think of much worse.

. It doesn't get worse than firing the Halo Array! It wipes the galaxy of all sentient life!

[SmokePants]

"Dear Galaxy,

Sorry for making you immortal, curing all war and disease, and ushering in a new age of enlightenment. My bad. I meant to ask you if it was cool, but I've been busy lately. You know how it is.

Anyway, I'm a part of you now. So, if you call me a monster, you're calling yourself a monster. You're no monster, are you? Nah, you're swell. I wouldn't have died for your sins if you weren't. And then what kind of savior would I be?

Posthumously Yous,
Shepard"

Personally, I like Control, but I see all the choices as valid.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Who were promptly EXTERMINATED by the Daleks.

. And then...

Nah, man I can think of much worse.

. It doesn't get worse than firing the Halo Array! It wipes the galaxy of all sentient life!

Catalyst: I like where this is going.

[Applepie_Svk]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Who were promptly EXTERMINATED by the Daleks.

. And then...

Nah, man I can think of much worse.

. It doesn't get worse than firing the Halo Array! It wipes the galaxy of all sentient life!

Catalyst: I like where this is going.

[Steelcan]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Who were promptly EXTERMINATED by the Daleks.

. And then...

Nah, man I can think of much worse.

. It doesn't get worse than firing the Halo Array! It wipes the galaxy of all sentient life!

Catalyst: I like where this is going.

. I just got a mental image of the Catalyst and 343 Guilty Sprak discussing plans for galactic sterilization.

Modifié par Steelcan, 02 avril 2013 - 10:11 .

[rapscallioness]

J. Reezy wrote...

You have a pic of Miranda, therefore, woman. And I'm a potato.

...a dancing potato...

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Who were promptly EXTERMINATED by the Daleks.

. And then...

Nah, man I can think of much worse.

. It doesn't get worse than firing the Halo Array! It wipes the galaxy of all sentient life!

Catalyst: I like where this is going.

. I just got a mental image of the Catalyst and 343 Guilty Sprak discussing plans for galactic sterilization.

Someone needs to write this.

[TreguardD]

No. Really all three "possibilities" are black. Not shades of grey. Black.

Destroy is genocide.
Synthesis will spur suicides
Control puts under a meglomania.

All because we accept a false dichotomy.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Someone needs to write this.

Please no more Star Jar. 

I personally don't view Halo as sophisticated or enlightening.  I like how 343 is trying to branch out, but really, I just don't take it seriously.

[Steelcan]

TreguardD wrote...

No. Really all three "possibilities" are black. Not shades of grey. Black.

Destroy is genocide.
Synthesis will spur suicides
Control puts under a meglomania.

All because we accept a false dichotomy.

. I didnt catch any acceptance of the Catalyst in Destroy.  There's a line that says "There has to be another way". But it could easily mean that there has to be another way to prevent the war that "inevitably" will arise.

Besides killing the reapers isn't genocide, it's military necessity.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Someone needs to write this.

Please no more Star Jar. 

I personally don't view Halo as sophisticated or enlightening.  I like how 343 is trying to branch out, but really, I just don't take it seriously.

*wink* That's exactly the point!

They end up getting a sitcom in which they try (and repeatedly fail) to cleanse the galaxy.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

TreguardD wrote...

No. Really all three "possibilities" are black. Not shades of grey. Black.

Destroy is genocide.
Synthesis will spur suicides
Control puts under a meglomania.

All because we accept a false dichotomy.

. I didnt catch any acceptance of the Catalyst in Destroy.  There's a line that says "There has to be another way". But it could easily mean that there has to be another way to prevent the war that "inevitably" will arise.

Besides killing the reapers isn't genocide, it's military necessity.

Rather entertaining as well.

Star Brat: Help me solve Chaos!

Cheesecake: What do I shoot to kill you?

Star Brat: That tube over there but first I have to explain to you how I'd tolerate you picking control and---

Cheesecake: *walking towards the tube* Not listening.

Star Brat: Pick synthesis, it's the bestest!!!!

Cheesecake: F*** off *shoots the tube*

[Steelcan]

@Grand Admiral Cheesecake



I like this human, he understands

[Versus Omnibus]

Lathrim wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

 Hearing about Gaider's choice effectively has zero impact on my overarching feelings on the matter.

Pretty much. His choices are his own, I've no wish to allow them to affect mine or my stance on the endings.

This.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

TreguardD wrote...

No. Really all three "possibilities" are black. Not shades of grey. Black.

Destroy is genocide.
Synthesis will spur suicides
Control puts under a meglomania.

All because we accept a false dichotomy.

. I didnt catch any acceptance of the Catalyst in Destroy.  There's a line that says "There has to be another way". But it could easily mean that there has to be another way to prevent the war that "inevitably" will arise.

Besides killing the reapers isn't genocide, it's military necessity.

You're missing the point there. The game doesn't give you an idealistic option for destroy. It's rather bleak. It is genocide of synthetics as well. Intent or no, they are all dead. Simply calling it collateral damage doesn't make it any better. And this is coming from me, a destroyer.

Also, you're misusing of the term military necessity.

You have two other options open to you, or three if you like. I can't see a justifiable reason for the Reapers existence. I destroy. It's more to do with a rejection of their belief in the future vs. yours. I choose to end the problem of the Reaper threat by destroying them. Is that what you were going for?

[phillip100]

What's the big deal about David Gaider's opinion?

[Auintus]

TreguardD wrote...

No. Really all three "possibilities" are black. Not shades of grey. Black.

Destroy is genocide.
Synthesis will spur suicides
Control puts under a meglomania.

All because we accept a false dichotomy.

Destroy may be genocide, but it puts the reigns behind the galaxy firmly back in the hands of the races. Additionally, if the geth die at Rannoch, it's not genocide.
Your comments on Control and Synthesis are baseless speculation.

Additionally, black assumes no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Synthesis provides a technological leap, Control puts the galaxy's most powerful military force in the hands of your own character, and Destroy lets you kill off the quarians and the geth if you are going for a maximum-casualties run.
See? They're all grey.