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[Wayning_Star]

Auintus wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

It’s even more straightforward than that. The synthesis ending (you really should watch it) literally shows us that the strange green light prompts an immediate end to hostilities right? That being the case, we have evidence enough to at least claim that synthesis is able to ‘modify’ the behaviour of organics and synthetics right? You claimed that no such evidence exists. Now, if you would be so kind as to retract that ridiculous statement and take your brilliantly creative fan fic to the correct board….

You watch it. See the faces? The body language? It's "what the hell?" not "We're buddies with the Reapers!"
Wave scene: Troopers in cover, Reaper lands, charges, stops. Wave hits. Troopers peek out of cover, and only step out when the Reapers begin to leave.
Husk scene: After the wave, trooper backs away from husk until he realizes that it's more worried about something else. Turns around, surprised to see the Reapers leaving.
Turian scene: Turians in cover, Wave hits, turians clearly perceive some sort of change. Turians stay in cover until Reapers begin to leave.
Also note that every time, the species in question perceives and wonders at their biological changes. If they were brainwashed to accept peace with the Reapers, wouldn't acceptance of the upgrades come with that?

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go cry. I've lost all faith in humanity and fifty bucks along with it.

that'll teach you to bet fifty bucks on your faith in humanity.

[Zavox]

MegaSovereign wrote...

What? You mean when they initially get hit with the Green beam?

What else?

[ruggly]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

ruggly wrote...

Everyone agreeing on synthesis being the best is about as likely as this chameleon being able to grab this water. Never.

But... it is grabbing the water. it has water on its hands....

Ok, grabbing and holding onto the water.  As if you cupped it in your hands.  And it slowly leaks out.

Point still remains, there is most likely never going to be a 100% agreement on this.

Modifié par ruggly, 03 avril 2013 - 03:09 .

[ImperatorMortis]

Its hilarious how you people still care about this. 

[Zavox]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Its hilarious how you people still care about this. 

If you do not, what the hell are you doing in here and why do you have that signature?
I think that may be even more hilarious.

Modifié par Zavox, 03 avril 2013 - 03:09 .

[MegaSovereign]

Zavox wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

What? You mean when they initially get hit with the Green beam?

What else?

...How do you interpret that scene as "brainwashing?"

[Auintus]

Zavox wrote...

Auintus wrote...

You watch it. See the faces? The body language? It's "what the hell?" not "We're buddies with the Reapers!"
Wave scene: Troopers in cover, Reaper lands, charges, stops. Wave hits. Troopers peek out of cover, and only step out when the Reapers begin to leave.
Husk scene: After the wave, trooper backs away from husk until he realizes that it's more worried about something else. Turns around, surprised to see the Reapers leaving.
Turian scene: Turians in cover, Wave hits, turians clearly perceive some sort of change. Turians stay in cover until Reapers begin to leave.
Also note that every time, the species in question perceives and wonders at their biological changes. If they were brainwashed to accept peace with the Reapers, wouldn't acceptance of the upgrades come with that?

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go cry. I've lost all faith in humanity and fifty bucks along with it.

Agreed, but for opposite reasons.

Where am I wrong? You actually still think its brainwashing?

[ImperatorMortis]

Zavox wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Its hilarious how you people still care about this. 

If you do not, what the hell are you doing in here and why do you have that signature?
I think that may be even more hilarious.

I put this sig up months ago, and this thread was all over my dash. But thanks or reminding me. 

[CitizenThom]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

People who chose synthesis are people who after fighting battle after battle against the Reapers, in the end decided to become Reapers.

Choose Destroy.

become reapers? control is becoming a reaper. synthesis means lasting peace! end of the cycle. the solution that which requires sacrifice.

The Catalyst made it clear that the Reapers were not fully machine, and that they retained the memory of the previous organic life that they'd destroyed. Sounds like Synthesis to me. The Reapers did not make better Geth to serve them, they made synthetics (part machine part organic)... sounds even more like Synthesis to me.

Either that or more logic failings of the Catalyst. Afterall, I begin to wonder if there ever has been a 'cycle' or if Sheppard has interfered with their first attempt at a repeat. The Catalyst is simply a propagandist trying to intimidate some players into choosing to conform... to become reapers, and make everyone else reapers as well.

[Zavox]

Auintus wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Auintus wrote...

You watch it. See the faces? The body language? It's "what the hell?" not "We're buddies with the Reapers!"
Wave scene: Troopers in cover, Reaper lands, charges, stops. Wave hits. Troopers peek out of cover, and only step out when the Reapers begin to leave.
Husk scene: After the wave, trooper backs away from husk until he realizes that it's more worried about something else. Turns around, surprised to see the Reapers leaving.
Turian scene: Turians in cover, Wave hits, turians clearly perceive some sort of change. Turians stay in cover until Reapers begin to leave.
Also note that every time, the species in question perceives and wonders at their biological changes. If they were brainwashed to accept peace with the Reapers, wouldn't acceptance of the upgrades come with that?

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go cry. I've lost all faith in humanity and fifty bucks along with it.

Agreed, but for opposite reasons.

Where am I wrong? You actually still think its brainwashing?

Not saying you are definately wrong, just saying that it's ridiculous not to leave the option for brainwashing open. Therefore I meant for opposite reasons.

[Auintus]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Auintus wrote...

You watch it. See the faces? The body language? It's "what the hell?" not "We're buddies with the Reapers!"
Wave scene: Troopers in cover, Reaper lands, charges, stops. Wave hits. Troopers peek out of cover, and only step out when the Reapers begin to leave.
Husk scene: After the wave, trooper backs away from husk until he realizes that it's more worried about something else. Turns around, surprised to see the Reapers leaving.
Turian scene: Turians in cover, Wave hits, turians clearly perceive some sort of change. Turians stay in cover until Reapers begin to leave.
Also note that every time, the species in question perceives and wonders at their biological changes. If they were brainwashed to accept peace with the Reapers, wouldn't acceptance of the upgrades come with that?

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go cry. I've lost all faith in humanity and fifty bucks along with it.

Yep, I'm embarrassed for you. Good night.

We cannot comprehend this. Not only are you still completely unconvinced in face of evidence drawn from your source, but you have the audacity to be embarassed on my behalf?
Well, a wise man once said "It takes a strong man to deny what's right in front of him." I salute you, my friend. Your strength rivals gods.

[The Night Mammoth]

If it doesn't brainwash people then it doesn't achieve its purpose.

Whether this idea of brainwashing the galaxy is acceptable or not is subjective.

[MegaSovereign]

I thought the purpose of Synthesis was to put organics and synthetics on an even playing field. Conflict would still exist but the probability of one domain being wiped out is closer to zero, supposedly.

[ruggly]

I have to wonder about people who are anti-synthetic. Now that they're hybrids themselves, are they just going to let it go (which seems unlikely), or become even more upset? I would think that they would try and place the blame on synthetics for that happening.

[Auintus]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

If it doesn't brainwash people then it doesn't achieve its purpose.

Whether this idea of brainwashing the galaxy is acceptable or not is subjective.

Synthesis is to achieve peace between organics and synthetics. Nobody has to be brainwashed for that. It just removes the root cause behind the previous conflicts.

[Auintus]

Zavox wrote...


Not saying you are definately wrong, just saying that it's ridiculous not to leave the option for brainwashing open. Therefore I meant for opposite reasons.

But there is no evidence of brainwashing. If there were, I'd be more than happy to agree to disagree, but the only thing I've gotten is a maybe on Wreav that I have no details about. How am I suppose to consider a point when the only significant piece of evidence is beyond reach?
Okay, maybe think of it this way: If this theoretical brainwashing is so under-the-radar and so subtle that it causes no noticable reaction beyond accepting the Reapers, is it really worth considering? Especially since we're never touching this universe again?

Modifié par Auintus, 03 avril 2013 - 03:27 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Auintus wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

If it doesn't brainwash people then it doesn't achieve its purpose.

Whether this idea of brainwashing the galaxy is acceptable or not is subjective.

Synthesis is to achieve peace between organics and synthetics. Nobody has to be brainwashed for that. It just removes the root cause behind the previous conflicts.

Which was? 

[ghost9191]

Wayning_Star wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

The very premise behind Synthesis defies
all science and explanation, and Control seems
too easy to be anything more than a Reaper
trap. The fact that the Catalyst tries so hard to
steer you away from Destroy makes it, to me,
the most logical choice. People's choices don't
affect the conclusions that I arrive to unless those
choices are based on logic more accurate than
my own, and even then, in a matter as opinionated
as this, that doesn't necessarily matter either.

I never get that catalyst leading anywhere myself. It seemed disconnected unless you refuse..then it gets all 'funny' on you?

kinda agree, though out of all of them it did seem to favor synthesis the most.  the only choice it actually defended for th emost part

not saying that it was a trap. but it was the catalysts ideal solution

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Auintus wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

If it doesn't brainwash people then it doesn't achieve its purpose.

Whether this idea of brainwashing the galaxy is acceptable or not is subjective.

Synthesis is to achieve peace between organics and synthetics. Nobody has to be brainwashed for that. It just removes the root cause behind the previous conflicts.

Which was? 

The organic tendency to play with technology capable of destroying themselves. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Auintus wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

If it doesn't brainwash people then it doesn't achieve its purpose.

Whether this idea of brainwashing the galaxy is acceptable or not is subjective.

Synthesis is to achieve peace between organics and synthetics. Nobody has to be brainwashed for that. It just removes the root cause behind the previous conflicts.

Which was? 

The organic tendency to play with technology capable of destroying themselves. 

So it... stops organics from making synthetics? I have no idea why that stops synthetics from killing all organics life. 

[ghost9191]

and how does synthesis stop them from doing that? lol

only way it would is if it changes or influences their thoughts

and that was in no way the cause of the conflicts lol ... last i checked the reapers were teh main cause of the geth attacking... so yeah

yeah the qurians did attack early on. but that is on them... not liek the council sent their fleet in to wipe them out. they left them alone till the attack

Modifié par ghost9191, 03 avril 2013 - 03:42 .

[Obadiah]

ruggly wrote...

I have to wonder about people who are anti-synthetic. Now that they're hybrids themselves, are they just going to let it go (which seems unlikely), or become even more upset? I would think that they would try and place the blame on synthetics for that happening.

Please, just look at these forums. There will be much of knashing of teeth over this change.

[Zavox]

Auintus wrote...

Zavox wrote...


Not saying you are definately wrong, just saying that it's ridiculous not to leave the option for brainwashing open. Therefore I meant for opposite reasons.

But there is no evidence of brainwashing. If there were, I'd be more than happy to agree to disagree, but the only thing I've gotten is a maybe on Wreav that I have no details about. How am I suppose to consider a point when the only significant piece of evidence is beyond reach?
Okay, maybe think of it this way: If this theoretical brainwashing is so under-the-radar and so subtle that it causes no noticable reaction beyond accepting the Reapers, is it really worth considering? Especially since we're never touching this universe again?

Fact: Relation between synthetics and organics has changed drastically. Former enemies are now allies, in a span of a mere minutes. 

You're going to tell me there's no brainwashing? Not even remotely? Here I was, slowly getting hope for humanity... 

(So subtle that it causes no noticable reaction beyond accepting the Reapers
So subtle - no noticable reaction - accepting Reapers
Subtle - no reaction - accepting Reapers)

Seriously, do you even believe yourself?

[Asharad Hett]

Auintus wrote...
 It just removes the root cause behind the previous conflicts.

Oh really?