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[Auintus]

Zavox wrote...

Fact: Relation between synthetics and organics has changed drastically. Former enemies are now allies, in a span of a mere minutes. 

You're going to tell me there's no brainwashing? Not even remotely? Here I was, slowly getting hope for humanity... 

(So subtle that it causes no noticable reaction beyond accepting the Reapers
So subtle - no noticable reaction - accepting Reapers
Subtle - no reaction - accepting Reapers)

Seriously, do you even believe yourself?

Not true. Do you see the soldier hug that husk? Why else would the Reapers leave first thing? Wouldn't they just stay and immediately begin the rebuilding? Instead they leave, then return later to rebuild. Why? If everyone was brainwashed, they could get to work right away. But a degree of trust has to be built first. Thus, they leave.

No. I randomly pull **** out my *** and slap it up here for ****s and giggles.<_< I don't put anything up here that I don't believe. What if someone quotes me on it later? It was a stupid question.

Think of it this way. If I were brainwashed, and the only thing about me that changed was that I took your side in this discussion. In the important scheme of things, would that matter? I'm the same person, I'm still me. The only thing that changed was one ultimately irrelevent belief.
Let's make it more drastic. Say the only thing that changed is that I agree with that Fandango woman....I concede your point. I still don't think it's actually brainwashing, but I do see how it would be a problem if it were.

Modifié par Auintus, 03 avril 2013 - 03:59 .

[Asharad Hett]

The argument here is that people who no longer have an ethnic barrier will no longer war against each other. I call BS.

Modifié par Asharad Hett, 03 avril 2013 - 03:59 .

[Star fury]

"Well, I think Twilight is far more effective with its romantic elements than most people give it credit for. Granted, it has little else going for it-- but the romance it does well." © David Gaider.

Nuff said.

Modifié par Star fury, 03 avril 2013 - 04:07 .

[Auintus]

Asharad Hett wrote...

The argument here is that people who no longer have an ethnic barrier will no longer war against each other. I call BS.

Not quite. It's beyond ethnic differences. It is a fundmental state of being. Like a human and a spirit, or whatever.
Which is not to say they won't war. It just won't be the galaxy-dividing, organic-destroying issue that it was previously.

[CosmicGnosis]

Asharad Hett wrote...

The argument here is that people who no longer have an ethnic barrier will no longer war against each other. I call BS.

Ultimately, this argument really doesn't make any sense. Synthetics are different from organics in very obvious ways. Human racial differences are trivial compared to the physical and mental differences between organics and synthetics.

[Asharad Hett]

I still call BS. Synthetics were fighting synthetics.

[Boneyaards]

I love the idea of Synthesis. However, I chose Destroy because Shepard lived. If Shepard died in every ending no matter what then I would have chose Synthesis.

Who wouldn't want to reach the pinnacle of evolution? 

Commence pro-destroy ranting. But wait guys, I'm on your side! I love Destroy too!

[spirosz]

Anyone want a hug?

[Auintus]

Boneyaards wrote...

I love the idea of Synthesis. However, I chose Destroy because Shepard lived. If Shepard died in every ending no matter what then I would have chose Synthesis.

Who wouldn't want to reach the pinnacle of evolution? 

Commence pro-destroy ranting. But wait guys, I'm on your side! I love Destroy too!

That is your only reason for choosing Destroy? Or was that just the deal-breaker?

[CronoDragoon]

Auintus wrote...

Not quite. It's beyond ethnic differences. It is a fundmental state of being. Like a human and a spirit, or whatever.
Which is not to say they won't war. It just won't be the galaxy-dividing, organic-destroying issue that it was previously.

It could very well still be galaxy-dividing since organic-hybrids and synthetic-hybrids will still be distinct. Perhaps not organic-destroying since organics are all Green Power Rangers now.

I really have no idea what form the whole "synthetics can better understand organics" change will take. Does it mean they have emotions now? Organic chemicals programmed to release in ways that simulate emotions?

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 03 avril 2013 - 04:18 .

[Auintus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

It could very well still be galaxy-dividing since organic-hybrids and synthetic-hybrids will still be distinct. Perhaps not organic-destroying since organics are all Green Power Rangers now.

I really have no idea what form the whole "synthetics can better understand organics" change will take. Does it mean they have emotions now? Organic chemicals programmed to release in ways that simulate emotions?

Okay, this is going to sound really weird, but bear with me.
Imagine having your foot cut off. Wait, you haven't had your foot cut off, have you? If so, I apologize, because this will sound terrible. Assuming you have never had a foot cut off, you can maybe abstractly wrap you head around the concept. The same thing applies to synthetic understanding of organics. They can kind of get it, but not really. What Synthesis does is makes them truly understand what it would be like to have a foot chopped off, without actually chopping it off. They understand what it is like to be organic, but it doesn't make them organic. That make sense, or is it even more confusing? I do that sometimes. That's just my interpretation, though. Take it as it is.

Modifié par Auintus, 03 avril 2013 - 04:35 .

[The Night Mammoth]

spirosz wrote...

Anyone want a hug?

That depends, is it free? 

[spirosz]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Anyone want a hug?

That depends, is it free? 

Always.

[Boneyaards]

Auintus wrote...

Boneyaards wrote...

I love the idea of Synthesis. However, I chose Destroy because Shepard lived. If Shepard died in every ending no matter what then I would have chose Synthesis.

Who wouldn't want to reach the pinnacle of evolution? 

Commence pro-destroy ranting. But wait guys, I'm on your side! I love Destroy too!

That is your only reason for choosing Destroy? Or was that just the deal-breaker?

The deal breaker. I'm honestly open to all of the endings except Refuse. With that being said, I'm not a huge fan of Control, but I love to hear people's reasoning behind choosing Control -- it's interesting. Destroy and Synthesis were neck and neck, but I was really connected to the game at the time, and knowing that Shepard lived in Destroy was the one thing that I needed to make a decision. However, if Shepard lived in Synthesis, I would honestly choose Synthesis.

[Auintus]

Boneyaards wrote...

The deal breaker. I'm honestly open to all of the endings except Refuse. With that being said, I'm not a huge fan of Control, but I love to hear people's reasoning behind choosing Control -- it's interesting. Destroy and Synthesis were neck and neck, but I was really connected to the game at the time, and knowing that Shepard lived in Destroy was the one thing that I needed to make a decision. However, if Shepard lived in Synthesis, I would honestly choose Synthesis.

You are a lot more open-minded than a lot of people around here. Congratulations.
What put you off about Control?

Modifié par Auintus, 03 avril 2013 - 04:39 .

[CronoDragoon]

Auintus wrote...
Okay, this is going to sound really weird, but bear with me.
Imagine having your foot cut off. Wait, you haven't had your foot cut off, have you? If so, I apologize, because this will sound terrible. Assuming you have never had a foot cut off, you can maybe abstractly wrap you head around the concept. The same thing applies to synthetic understanding of organics. They can kind of get it, but not really. What Synthesis does is makes them truly understand what it would be like to have a foot chopped off, without actually chopping it off. They understand what it is like to be organic, but it doesn't make them organic. That make sense, or is it even more confusing? I do that sometimes. That's just my interpretation, though. Take it as it is.

Your analogy makes sense but doesn't bring me any closer to really understanding the "how" of the matter. Using your analogy, brain surgery could produce artificial nerve stimulations or something to simulate loss of limb. So what is being simulated for synthetics that will make them understand organics better? 

This is a problem I have with Synthesis in general, though. Some people love how open-ended it is and that's totally legit. For me Synthesis becomes more interesting the more specific details I know about how it works. Which means....it's not altogether interesting to me. 

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 03 avril 2013 - 04:40 .

[oblique9]

we're all mad about choices someone made in a video game.

First World Problems

[goose2989]

MegaSovereign wrote...

OP is drinking that Gaiderade.

Ha haaaa

[The Night Mammoth]

spirosz wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Anyone want a hug?

That depends, is it free? 

Always.

weit a sec sporozz

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 03 avril 2013 - 04:46 .

[Auintus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Your analogy makes sense but doesn't bring me any closer to really understanding the "how" of the matter. Using your analogy, brain surgery could produce artificial nerve stimulations or something to simulate this. So what is being simulated for synthetics that will make them understand organics better? 

This is a problem I have with Synthesis in general, though. Some people love how open-ended it is and that's totally legit. For me Synthesis becomes more interesting the more specific details I know about how it works. Which means....it's not altogether interesting to me. 

Synthesis is not explained. The "how" that I believe, I made up myself. I can't say that it's perfect, but it works for me.
If you really want my interpretation, here goes: We take what synthetics receive for granted. It is a fundamental part of who we are. Their is no exact thing that you can pin down and say, "This is it." Like the opposite of phantom pain, they could truly understand how emotions affect and mould us, but couldn't truly experience them. Like a half-memory, or an echo. Enough to let them identify with us, but not so much that they become us. That's my thoughts on it, anyway. For whatever that's worth.

[Auintus]

oblique9 wrote...

we're all mad about choices someone made in a video game.

First World Problems

Not the choice. The reasoning behind the choice. If someone chose Destroy because they wanted to kill the geth and the quarians in one run, that would say something about their psychology. Equally so for other choices. My support of Synthesis suggests something about my understanding and relation to other people. I enjoy learning about other people's psychology. Arguing is the best way to accomplish that. If you try just asking questions, they get weirded out.

[Boneyaards]

Auintus wrote...

Boneyaards wrote...

The deal breaker. I'm honestly open to all of the endings except Refuse. With that being said, I'm not a huge fan of Control, but I love to hear people's reasoning behind choosing Control -- it's interesting. Destroy and Synthesis were neck and neck, but I was really connected to the game at the time, and knowing that Shepard lived in Destroy was the one thing that I needed to make a decision. However, if Shepard lived in Synthesis, I would honestly choose Synthesis.

You are a lot more open-minded than a lot of people around here. Congratulations.
What put you off about Control?

It just felt weird. I spent the entire game hunting down an entire faction that believed Control was possible only to suppress them entirely and then find out that they were right all along. However, they were an extremist group that did terrible things, so I never felt bad about eliminating them, I just felt weird doing something that I fought to prove wrong. 

After much consideration and listening in on Control support threads, I understand that there is a lot factors that could potentially sway someone's opinion on Control. It's an interesting subject of debate that has a lot of morally uncomfortable aspects which, in turn, is what makes it so captivating. The same can be said for Synthesis. It makes me feel so uncomfortable that I actually enjoy it. It plows through moral barriers that I never even knew I had. It took my mind to a place that it hasn't been to before. Imagining humanity at the pinnacle of evolution, imagining how another galaxy's civilizations (outside of the Milky Way) would view what we did to ourselves, etc... I would even go far enough to say that Control, Synthesis, and Destroy assault different moral barriers that we have, and that's what makes each ending so interesting. 

Thank you for the compliment. I try my best. (:

[The Night Mammoth]

J. Reezy wrote...

Auintus wrote...

oblique9 wrote...

we're all mad about choices someone made in a video game.

First World Problems

Not the choice. The reasoning behind the choice. If someone chose Destroy because they wanted to kill the geth and the quarians in one run, that would say something about their psychology.

It would?

Almost certainly not, which is why posters like Auld Wulf are completely off-base and wrong about almost every observation they make. 

[Megaton_Hope]

Star fury wrote...

"Well, I think Twilight is far more effective with its romantic elements than most people give it credit for. Granted, it has little else going for it-- but the romance it does well." © David Gaider.

Nuff said.

What, the novel where a much older man enters a teenager's room while she sleeps, to smell her, because her smell makes him want to kill her, and they're the OTP? Naaawww.