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anorling wrote...
GT Zazzerka wrote...
lololol depression is funnay huh?Zjarcal wrote...
Even a year later? LAWL
Remember kids, It's ok to mock someone for having a depression. But god help you if you have the gall to criticize a video game!
What is stopping people like javik from not trusting Ai or wanting to destory it in an instant or even give it a chance? What is stopping Harbinger who has been killing and harvesting for billions of years and enjoyed it not continue? Just because the understanding is given does not mean singularity won't happen, unless mind control occurs.Eterna5 wrote...
No? Where did I imply mind control at all?
Modifié par Mr.House, 02 avril 2013 - 08:02 .
Costin_Razvan wrote...
In my eyes, anyone who displays a whit of humanity - including synthetic lifeforms such as EDI or Legion - is worth saving if I can do it without harming others, and clearly no one was harmed. I could have made the wrong call, sure - but I didn't (too bad for you!).
Sure that's why there's control.
I find it hilarious that Gaider would pick synthesis, which is considered the perfect option, while at the same time complaining about the peace deal on Rannoch.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 08:07 .
Guest_wiggles_*
Settle down spaz.Bill Casey wrote...
Bull****...
It's ****ing deplorable...
David Gaider should be ashamed of himself...
It's the most evil ****ing thing I've seen in fiction...
My DNA is not your toy...
Mr.House wrote...
What is stopping people like javik from not trusting Ai or wanting to destory it in an instant or even give it a chance? What is stopping Harbinger who has been killing and harvesting for billions of years and enjoyed it not continue? Just because the understanding is given does not mean sinhularity won't happen, unless mind control occurs.Eterna5 wrote...
No? Where did I imply mind control at all?
Modifié par Eterna5, 02 avril 2013 - 08:10 .
Xen not betrayaing or having any issues with peace makes sense? Please give me your game. The Xen I know would not let this slide, or not take the chance to try to controlthe geth.Ryzaki wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
In my eyes, anyone who displays a whit of humanity - including synthetic lifeforms such as EDI or Legion - is worth saving if I can do it without harming others, and clearly no one was harmed. I could have made the wrong call, sure - but I didn't (too bad for you!).
Sure that's why there's control.
I find it hilarious that Gaider would pick synthesis, which is considered the perfect option, while at the same time complaining about the peace deal on Rannoch.
Irony.
Especially since peace is foreshadowed and Synthesis comes out of ****ing nowhere.
Also while the golden outcome for Conner doesn't make much sense. The peace ending for the Quarians? Does. So...yeah golden outcome =/= illogical and wtf inducing.
The conner incident was the two things though. I don't know why they didn't write the golden outcome to make some sense. (Simply say she was weakened or having Wynne or Morrigan seal her in a temporary barrier would've justified it or something).
Applepie_Svk wrote...
If synthesis is inevitable then what´s the point in choosing it ?
Harbinger is not just harvesting, he is killing(and don't tell me he is not or I will link the beam run where he is killing loads of people) and ENJOYES IT. You are telling me a being over a billion years old would stop doing this because his leader is gone? You're telling me peopel like Javik who have this hatred in their bones would be fine and trust AI? Please. There is nothing to stop a bunch of new AI trying to wipe out all organics at all. It's character derailment or mind control.Eterna5 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
What is stopping people like javik from not trusting Ai or wanting to destory it in an instant or even give it a chance? What is stopping Harbinger who has been killing and harvesting for billions of years and enjoyed it not continue? Just because the understanding is given does not mean sinhularity won't happen, unless mind control occurs.Eterna5 wrote...
No? Where did I imply mind control at all?
The Reapers entire purpose was to harvest and preserve organics so that they didn;t end up killing themselves and all organic life with them. The harvest is no longer needed, they have zero reason to attack organics anymore.
And actually, knowledge is enough to end the technological singularity without mind control. Organics, Reapers, and Synthetics are elevated into a stage three civilization, they no longer need to fear their own technology because they will always have the knowledge and foresight to outwit and solve problems arisen by their own technology.
Mr.House wrote...
Harbinger is not just harvesting, he is killing(and don't tell me he is not or I will link the beam run where he is killing loads of people) and ENJOYES IT. You are telling me a being over a billion years old would stop doing this because his leader is gone? You're telling me peopel like Javik who have this hatred in their bones would be fine and trust AI? Please. There is nothing to stop a bunch of new AI trying to wipe out all organics at all. It's character derailment or mind control.Eterna5 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
What is stopping people like javik from not trusting Ai or wanting to destory it in an instant or even give it a chance? What is stopping Harbinger who has been killing and harvesting for billions of years and enjoyed it not continue? Just because the understanding is given does not mean sinhularity won't happen, unless mind control occurs.Eterna5 wrote...
No? Where did I imply mind control at all?
The Reapers entire purpose was to harvest and preserve organics so that they didn;t end up killing themselves and all organic life with them. The harvest is no longer needed, they have zero reason to attack organics anymore.
And actually, knowledge is enough to end the technological singularity without mind control. Organics, Reapers, and Synthetics are elevated into a stage three civilization, they no longer need to fear their own technology because they will always have the knowledge and foresight to outwit and solve problems arisen by their own technology.
Reaper harvesting is turning people into reaper goop, not blasting people into nothing. That is killing and serves no purpose.Eterna5 wrote...
Of course he is killing them, that is the point of the harvest. Saying he enjoys it is pure conjecture though, he gloats, but he never says he enjoys or even feels anything about it. He stops doing it because he has no reason to do it anymore. The Reapers never killed "Just cuz", they had a purpose, that purpose along with the necessity of killing is gone.
Nowhere is it shown that Javik is okay with what has happened. And learning more about something and then finding a new perspective about it is not mind control.
Mr.House wrote...
Harbinger is not just harvesting, he is killing(and don't tell me he is not or I will link the beam run where he is killing loads of people) and ENJOYES IT. You are telling me a being over a billion years old would stop doing this because his leader is gone? You're telling me peopel like Javik who have this hatred in their bones would be fine and trust AI? Please. There is nothing to stop a bunch of new AI trying to wipe out all organics at all. It's character derailment or mind control.
Mr.House wrote...
Reaper harvesting is turning people into reaper goop, not blasting people into nothing. That is killing and serves no purpose.Eterna5 wrote...
Of course he is killing them, that is the point of the harvest. Saying he enjoys it is pure conjecture though, he gloats, but he never says he enjoys or even feels anything about it. He stops doing it because he has no reason to do it anymore. The Reapers never killed "Just cuz", they had a purpose, that purpose along with the necessity of killing is gone.
Nowhere is it shown that Javik is okay with what has happened. And learning more about something and then finding a new perspective about it is not mind control.
Modifié par Eterna5, 02 avril 2013 - 08:23 .
Mr.House wrote...
Xen not betrayaing or having any issues with peace makes sense? Please give me your game. The Xen I know would not let this slide, or not take the chance to try to controlthe geth.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 08:27 .
Mr.House wrote...
Being able to go to the mage tower, get the mages to save Conor, have Isolde not die and nothing bad happens despite Teagan and Isolde telling oyu it's extreamly risky. You pretty much pick the perfect choice which tells you something bad will happen but never does and Gaider already stated he wish he did not include that option.
Ryzaki wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
I find it hilarious that Gaider would pick synthesis, which is considered the perfect option, while at the same time complaining about the peace deal on Rannoch.
Irony.
Eterna5 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
How does it stop technological singularity? What is stopping the Reapers from deciding to kill everyone?Eterna5 wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
In my eyes, anyone who displays a whit of humanity - including synthetic lifeforms such as EDI or Legion - is worth saving if I can do it without harming others, and clearly no one was harmed. I could have made the wrong call, sure - but I didn't (too bad for you!).
Sure that's why there's control.
I find it hilarious that Gaider would pick synthesis, which is considered the perfect option, while at the same time complaining about the peace deal on Rannoch.
Synthesis isn't just about peace, it is also about advancement and change, it is also about eliminating all threat of the technological singulairty.
Organic life is perfected by being intergrated with technology. They no longer need to fear dying to their creations because they are now on equal footing with their creations. The Reapers don't need to Harvest anymore because organics are no longer a danger to themselves and all organic life.
Argolas wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
How does it stop technological singularity? What is stopping the Reapers from deciding to kill everyone?Eterna5 wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
In my eyes, anyone who displays a whit of humanity - including synthetic lifeforms such as EDI or Legion - is worth saving if I can do it without harming others, and clearly no one was harmed. I could have made the wrong call, sure - but I didn't (too bad for you!).
Sure that's why there's control.
I find it hilarious that Gaider would pick synthesis, which is considered the perfect option, while at the same time complaining about the peace deal on Rannoch.
Synthesis isn't just about peace, it is also about advancement and change, it is also about eliminating all threat of the technological singulairty.
Organic life is perfected by being intergrated with technology. They no longer need to fear dying to their creations because they are now on equal footing with their creations. The Reapers don't need to Harvest anymore because organics are no longer a danger to themselves and all organic life.
There is organic life integrated with technology already, it's called Reapers. Yet still, organics and synthetics are capable of defeating the Reapers which embody perfection, this is proven by the Crucible.
Synthesized life is inferior to an alliance of organic and synthetic life.
Modifié par Eterna5, 02 avril 2013 - 08:52 .
AlanC9 wrote...
Maybe he's just playing his character?
Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 09:00 .
Ryzaki wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Maybe he's just playing his character?
Aww let me be fair.
Okay. Maybe. Doesn't make a lot of sense and consistency to me but sure. Maybe. If any choice doesn't make any sense it's Synthesis. Rannoch peace maybe unlikely but we see the seeds for it in ME2 with Legion and bringing him to Tali's trial. ...is Synthesis ever forshadowed?
Meanwhile with Synthesis...
Starbrat flat out says it can't be forced...and what does Shep do?
Force it on the galaxy.
Stellar logic.
Eterna5 wrote...
It can't be forced though the Catalysts methods.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 09:04 .
Indeed. But apparently it is considered a virtue among some people never to change their perspective, no matter the amount of new information they're given.Eterna5 wrote...
And learning more about something and then finding a new perspective about it is not mind control.
Ryzaki wrote...
I don't see how this choice should be in the game but peace the one Shep discusses in ME2 and ME3 shouldn't. It confuses me.
Modifié par AlanC9, 02 avril 2013 - 09:08 .
AlanC9 wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
I don't see how this choice should be in the game but peace the one Shep discusses in ME2 and ME3 shouldn't. It confuses me.
It's not complicated. Bio simply didn't want to put in an ideal option. (Judging from other material in this thread, Gaider isn't all that fond of such endings himself ).
And given that Shep dies in every single ending that's not high EMS destroy that's not something special. Otherwise, massive advancements, Reapers are a part of galatic society and people are learning from them, synthetics and organics have reached an understanding and just....
Anyway, my point was that there's no irony here. Gaider's character picks the best option available, as he sees it, because Gaider isn't role-playing an idiot. On later playthroughs, of course, you may want to.RP an idiot, or at least someone who has different beliefs about what the best choice would be; otherwise, your characters would always make the same choice.
Well I can kind of see control but destroy? How so?
Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 09:12 .
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