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[Addictress]

 I bought Dragon Age 2 last week prepared to be disappointed.  The vitriol in all forums and comments surrounding this game was so intense and pervasive, I readied myself for a few hours of   dumbed-down  Hollywood-style story, the quality of which might be likened to a  standard theme park ride.

 Instead,  the past three days have been a non-stop immersive gaming experience, in which I have discovered quality and improvement around every turn, in every corner.

I feel like I've played for a longer time than I did with origins, and I had all the DLCs  and mods for Origins,  and haven't even downloaded anything extra for 2  yet. 

 Two words: Rock Wraith.  This  was the most difficult and challenging boss battle besides Jarvia in Origins.  It forced  me to truly strategize and pause frequently.

 The darkspawn-tainted thralls and broodmothers in Origins were excessive,  gratuitous,  repetitive.  The enemies in 2 are varied, refreshing.  There are Carta  thugs  but not too  many,  religious fanatics,  regular bandits,  and all of them take their turns and remind me that I'm in a rich and complex universe full of a Variety of factions and peoples.

Listen,I understand we all have our opinions.  But when SO MANY PEOPLE gather together to bash a perfectly excellent game,  it becomes a MOB ABUSE. It is unjust!  It is unfair!  Somebody has to take a stand 

 

Modifié par Addictress, 02 avril 2013 - 05:41 .

[okiness]

I find the answer is simple. . . For all it's flaws, the greatest problem is it's deep down inherent different with DA:O. And I even had to write David Gaider a crow in my pie filled message saying, wow, I just replayed this after two years and I actually prefer it in some ways! If you go from 40 hour playthroughs of DA:O and you've done everything and you just want more. . . and you don't get it? It's frustrating, and not so fun. DA2 is very very different. It has some flaws that need fixing. . . but I enjoy it.

There should've toootally been a vanilla slide DLC though seriously. Where's my textwalls?!

You win this round Gaider! I'll get you. . .and your Fenris too!

[Addictress]

Actually, though, I Did just finish marathoning Origins for the very first time, twice. I bought Origins in February and played it for the first time, two different characters. Then just last week I moved on to DA2.

Yeah I know, once I start a series,I can't stop until I finish. Forget sleep! Forget exercise! Aaah.


Anyways, I feel like people who don't like DA2 had a wait time between the release of the two games, such that all their feels were percolating based on their Origins experience.

Modifié par Addictress, 02 avril 2013 - 06:31 .

[caradoc2000]

Heh, this has been discussed over and over again here.

The only end result so far has been that people either like DA2 or they don't.

Edit: personally, I do like DA2.

Modifié par caradoc2000, 02 avril 2013 - 09:12 .

[Sir George Parr]

All games have there flaws, i remember playing 'Jet Set Willy' as a kid and it was broken as you couldn't finish it. Or a game based on the bond film 'The Living Daylights' and this had another flaw which was if you ran from the start of the level to the very end and crucially never attacked an enemy you couldn't die it was literally the easiest game to complete.

I'm trying to finish off some playthroughs of DA2 at the moment and as has being pointed by some already one problem is that it is a very different from the first game in the series as the pace of the combat is awfully quicker compared to its predecessor, also people go into the game expecting DA Origins 2 and some get confused as to why The Warden won't import into the game.Last week i experienced a very strange glitch with Merrills romance by mistake. As i changed my mind about it and reloaded an earlier save and avoided Merrills romance dialog. So next time i visit the Hawke estate it still triggers the cutscene except it played out with an invisible Merrill and fades to black, when it fades in Merrill is standing in the reception of the Hawke estate in her underwear.
 
Then the next time i had Merrill in the party she was in still in her underwear and when Hawke interacted with her the rest of the romance scene triggered with Hawke and Merrill lying in the marketplace in lowtown. Just when it couldn't get any stranger, Hawke visits Varric for a chat some time later and he goes on about a romance with Fenris, which was a WTF moment as this romance didn't exist until that moment. Varric should have actually talked about a romance with Isabela. But it had being a few months since i last touched the game and had forgotten which Hawke should be romancing who. So i had to delete a few saves to undo the confusion that the game was getting in to. So yes the game does have flaws and some very strange ones at that.

But like krul2k i can't leave Lady Hawke alone as the VA keeps me coming back to play as Lady Hawke time and time again. I wish she would be back in playable form in DA3.just a little something to offset the loss of the expansion.
The only thing that i really dislike about the game is the ending as this for me it is the least satisfying part of the game as Bioware don't conclude Hawke's story in way that leaves you ready to move on to the next PC. Its just to abrupt for its own good.

Modifié par XM-417, 05 avril 2013 - 02:47 .

[Angrywolves]

I just went to the game's 3rd act. This is my second playthrough. It finally occurred to me what's the game's biggest flaw . It's not reusing scenery, or parachuting in enemies, or even being stuck in Kirkwall for most of the game. The game's biggest flaw is the hero can't shape events to a satisfactory conclusion but instead is at the mercy of events that run out of control to a highly unsatisfactory conclusion from the hero's perspective . That's it.

[Kalas Magnus]

I stood up for this game at first too. Loved it. But eventually I saw how bad this game really is.

There are so many things wrong with it.

Such as, decisions dont matter.
EX: a certain someone still attacks me even if I supported them the entire game.

Spawn system is messed up.
ex:there were many battles where the enemy spawned right on top of me.
How am I supposed to survive when the enemy spawns out of thin air and behind me.

The thing that finally killed this game for me though was the level scaling.
Terrible, terrible idea.
If they bring this back in the third game, I will not buy it.
I wouldnt even care how good the storyline is.

there is also the repeating dungeons, not being able to customize armor for allies, and the dlc wasnt that great.

Modifié par Kalas Magnus, 03 avril 2013 - 03:00 .

[Dutchess]

^My experience was similar. I've been in denial for quite some time because I really wanted to like the game. I did love the writing of the companions, so that served as a buffer and an excuse to get through the rest. But looking back at my first playthrough I was not having fun. The combat was awful and broken (this is pre-patches, so my mage was constantly staggered even by a critter swinging its sword), for the most part I had no idea what the purpose was of what I was doing, despite listening to all the dialogue, asking all the questions, and reading the codex. Story feels rushed, unlogical in some parts, pretty much everyone you have to deal with is an obstacle because they're insane and nothing else (seriously, count the crazy people in primary quests).
Then, when you've finally waded through all the waves (enemies are varied... Really? Even the darkspawn only have hurlocks suddenly), you're rewarded with a stupid cliffhanger as an ending.

[happy_daiz]

^ Exactly that. I was very stubborn about admitting I didn't like it. I mean, I was in total fangirl heaven with Fenris, but that was the only saving grace for me. Not just Fenris specifically, but all of the companions. I realized over time that I was just going through the motions, but really wasn't having fun. I was bored by the dungeons, bored by the wave combat, bored by the awful loot, star system, and leveling, and perplexed by the time jumps and godawful ending.

Eventually, my disc went bad, which was a convenient parallel with when I decided I was done with the game.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 03 avril 2013 - 02:02 .

[Dutchess]

Haha, Fenris made everything better.

[Cutlass Jack]

The only thing truly wrong with DA2 was the development time. They took alot of creative risks in the game that would have paid off incredibly if they really had the time to truly 'sell' the ideas. Because they didn't have the time, some areas suffered. Most of the real issues would have been taken care of with another year. The Repeated dungeon maps, visual representation of the time jumps, and a properly branching ending all could have been possible.

The story was excellent, the companions the most memorable of any of their releases, and having an actual developing personality was simply divine. I love the game more than DAO (which I still enjoyed of course) and I even replayed it again last week and had a great time.

The Legacy and Tallis DLCs showed what the main game could have been with a little more time.

[Addictress]

I'm not forcing myself to like this game. Marathoning these games just recently, back to back, I find DA2 to be superior to Origins. Period. I like the complicated, non linear narrative structure. It's like a good movie. I like the combat and find it more exciting and smooth than the combat system in Origins. I like the character and enemy designs.

[Melca36]

Addictress wrote...

I'm not forcing myself to like this game. Marathoning these games just recently, back to back, I find DA2 to be superior to Origins. Period. I like the complicated, non linear narrative structure. It's like a good movie. I like the combat and find it more exciting and smooth than the combat system in Origins. I like the character and enemy designs.

I would not expect any of those things you mentioned for the next game. Developers have said combat would be different and they are not doing a narrative for the next game

[Addictress]

Melca36 wrote...

Addictress wrote...

I'm not forcing myself to like this game. Marathoning these games just recently, back to back, I find DA2 to be superior to Origins. Period. I like the complicated, non linear narrative structure. It's like a good movie. I like the combat and find it more exciting and smooth than the combat system in Origins. I like the character and enemy designs.

I would not expect any of those things you mentioned for the next game. Developers have said combat would be different and they are not doing a narrative for the next game

....NO NARRATIVE???!!! Dafaq does that even mean?!?! 

[Cutlasskiwi]

happy_daiz wrote...

I was very stubborn about admitting I didn't like it. I mean, I was in total fangirl heaven with Fenris, but that was the only saving grace for me. Not just Fenris specifically, but all of the companions. I realized over time that I was just going through the motions, but really wasn't having fun. I was bored by the dungeons, bored by the wave combat, bored by the awful loot, star system, and leveling, and perplexed by the time jumps and godawful ending.

Heh, I had pretty much the same reaction for DAO. It took me a few weeks to realize that I just didn't like the game and found it incredible lackluster. Oh, and Fenris was my least favorite companion. Different strokes.. 


I did enjoy DA2 a great deal though. Most of the things I had problems with seems to stem from time issues. Too bad there's no expansion for DA2, it would have been very interesting to see Hawke's journey continue.

[Redbelle]

Addictress wrote...

 I bought Dragon Age 2 last week prepared to be disappointed.  The vitriol in all forums and comments surrounding this game was so intense and pervasive, I readied myself for a few hours of   dumbed-down  Hollywood-style story, the quality of which might be likened to a  standard theme park ride.

 Instead,  the past three days have been a non-stop immersive gaming experience, in which I have discovered quality and improvement around every turn, in every corner.

I feel like I've played for a longer time than I did with origins, and I had all the DLCs  and mods for Origins,  and haven't even downloaded anything extra for 2  yet. 

 Two words: Rock Wraith.  This  was the most difficult and challenging boss battle besides Jarvia in Origins.  It forced  me to truly strategize and pause frequently.

 The darkspawn-tainted thralls and broodmothers in Origins were excessive,  gratuitous,  repetitive.  The enemies in 2 are varied, refreshing.  There are Carta  thugs  but not too  many,  religious fanatics,  regular bandits,  and all of them take their turns and remind me that I'm in a rich and complex universe full of a Variety of factions and peoples.

Listen,I understand we all have our opinions.  But when SO MANY PEOPLE gather together to bash a perfectly excellent game,  it becomes a MOB ABUSE. It is unjust!  It is unfair!  Somebody has to take a stand 

 

Yeeeeah. Ever had the Death Siphon problem?

[Addictress]

Redbelle wrote...

Addictress wrote...

 I bought Dragon Age 2 last week prepared to be disappointed.  The vitriol in all forums and comments surrounding this game was so intense and pervasive, I readied myself for a few hours of   dumbed-down  Hollywood-style story, the quality of which might be likened to a  standard theme park ride.

 Instead,  the past three days have been a non-stop immersive gaming experience, in which I have discovered quality and improvement around every turn, in every corner.

I feel like I've played for a longer time than I did with origins, and I had all the DLCs  and mods for Origins,  and haven't even downloaded anything extra for 2  yet. 

 Two words: Rock Wraith.  This  was the most difficult and challenging boss battle besides Jarvia in Origins.  It forced  me to truly strategize and pause frequently.

 The darkspawn-tainted thralls and broodmothers in Origins were excessive,  gratuitous,  repetitive.  The enemies in 2 are varied, refreshing.  There are Carta  thugs  but not too  many,  religious fanatics,  regular bandits,  and all of them take their turns and remind me that I'm in a rich and complex universe full of a Variety of factions and peoples.

Listen,I understand we all have our opinions.  But when SO MANY PEOPLE gather together to bash a perfectly excellent game,  it becomes a MOB ABUSE. It is unjust!  It is unfair!  Somebody has to take a stand 

 

Yeeeeah. Ever had the Death Siphon problem?

 
Like it doesn't work? I do have an issue where my mages have no way to recoup mana and spend 90%  of every fight running for their lives,  depleted of mana and complaining they're exhausted.

 However, I find this micromanaging rewarding and pleasantly intricate 
 

[Addictress]

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

I was very stubborn about admitting I didn't like it. I mean, I was in total fangirl heaven with Fenris, but that was the only saving grace for me. Not just Fenris specificaly, but all of the companions. I realized over time that I was just going through the motions, but really wasn't having fun. I was bored by the dungeons, bored by the wave combat, bored by the awful loot, star system, and leveling, and perplexed by the time jumps and godawful ending.

Heh, I had pretty much the same reaction for DAO. It took me a few weeks to realize that I just didn't like the game and found it incredible lackluster. Oh, and Fenris was my least favorite companion. Different strokes.. 


I did enjoy DA2 a great deal though. Most of the things I had problems with seems to stem from time issues. Too bad there's no expansion for DA2, it would have been very interesting to see Hawke's journey continue.

Fenris is my last favorite as well

[Addictress]

I didn't mind death siphon failing though once Anders got Panacea

[Redbelle]

Addictress wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Addictress wrote...

 I bought Dragon Age 2 last week prepared to be disappointed.  The vitriol in all forums and comments surrounding this game was so intense and pervasive, I readied myself for a few hours of   dumbed-down  Hollywood-style story, the quality of which might be likened to a  standard theme park ride.

 Instead,  the past three days have been a non-stop immersive gaming experience, in which I have discovered quality and improvement around every turn, in every corner.

I feel like I've played for a longer time than I did with origins, and I had all the DLCs  and mods for Origins,  and haven't even downloaded anything extra for 2  yet. 

 Two words: Rock Wraith.  This  was the most difficult and challenging boss battle besides Jarvia in Origins.  It forced  me to truly strategize and pause frequently.

 The darkspawn-tainted thralls and broodmothers in Origins were excessive,  gratuitous,  repetitive.  The enemies in 2 are varied, refreshing.  There are Carta  thugs  but not too  many,  religious fanatics,  regular bandits,  and all of them take their turns and remind me that I'm in a rich and complex universe full of a Variety of factions and peoples.

Listen,I understand we all have our opinions.  But when SO MANY PEOPLE gather together to bash a perfectly excellent game,  it becomes a MOB ABUSE. It is unjust!  It is unfair!  Somebody has to take a stand 

 

Yeeeeah. Ever had the Death Siphon problem?

 
Like it doesn't work? I do have an issue where my mages have no way to recoup mana and spend 90%  of every fight running for their lives,  depleted of mana and complaining they're exhausted.

 However, I find this micromanaging rewarding and pleasantly intricate 
 

More like the problem where DS despawned a corpse and took a mission critical item with it........ never to appear again and therefore preventing me from progressing because a story mission can never be completed.

Which is avoidable if you know of the DS problem and have a save game handy to fall back on, but because I only recently bought the game too and haven't been reading about game breakers....... because who assumes there are any in a shiny new game....... I have to restart the whole thing because I saved over that point, thinking I had to go to another time or do something else in another place to progress the story.

Because thats gamer logic because we do not automatically assume that a AAA developer would allow such a problem to ever happen or to continue happening........ 1 year after the game was released and the internet has other gamers who encountered the same problem, talking about it.

Which is a shame. I can work around most bugs. But this one has put the breaks on my getting to know DA2 the way you have.

I mean Bioshock Inf glitched on the shooting range, but in a way that meant I obviously couldn't progress, which told me it was time to reload and try again......... and afterwards I never looked back snce the game engine never glitched again. Thats the kind of problem I can deal with through gritted teeth. Something that impedes, not stops you long after the fact.

Modifié par Redbelle, 03 avril 2013 - 06:56 .

[happy_daiz]

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

I was very stubborn about admitting I didn't like it. I mean, I was in total fangirl heaven with Fenris, but that was the only saving grace for me. Not just Fenris specifically, but all of the companions. I realized over time that I was just going through the motions, but really wasn't having fun. I was bored by the dungeons, bored by the wave combat, bored by the awful loot, star system, and leveling, and perplexed by the time jumps and godawful ending.

Heh, I had pretty much the same reaction for DAO. It took me a few weeks to realize that I just didn't like the game and found it incredible lackluster. Oh, and Fenris was my least favorite companion. Different strokes..

I did enjoy DA2 a great deal though. Most of the things I had problems with seems to stem from time issues. Too bad there's no expansion for DA2, it would have been very interesting to see Hawke's journey continue.

I'm a melty pile of gushiness when it comes to Gideon Emery and dat voice, though. He could have looked like Emile de Launcet, and I would probably have still had a crush on him (well...maybe). I understand that he drove a lot of people nuts, but if we all had the same taste, how boring would that be?

In retrospect, I had the same kinds of feelings with DAO that you did when I went back and played it years later. I think I personally was holding onto nostalgia more than anything. There were some things it did well, and some things it lacked. The same could be said for DA2, although what those specific things are, are subjective.

Regardless, it does say much for the franchise, that people are still talking about it this long after release. I just hope for the next one, appropriate time is made to take advantage of opportunities that were sorely missed in both of the previous titles. I'm hopeful but still a bit skeptical.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 03 avril 2013 - 08:41 .

[ddjrizzo]

I bought this game the day it came out and was sick of it after a few days, I got to the last chapter but I didn't even have the will to finish it, they changed it so much from the original that it barely even resembled an RPG anymore. If I wanted an action game I'd go buy an action game. With so few RPGs even available on the 360 I was really looking forward to having another solid RPG to play for a long time. Perhaps if this were not the sequel to such a fantastic RPG I would not have such bad things to say about it but I did not get what I paid for with this game. Seeing as how I played the game for several days and drew my conclusions before I read any reviews or even had any outside input on it whatsoever I cannot be accused of "Mob Abuse"  Bioware ruined what could have been my favorite 360 franchise.

Modifié par ddjrizzo, 13 avril 2013 - 07:17 .

[Nole]

The game was good but not even close to DAO. Sales and ratings do not lie.

[addiction21]

WittingEight65 wrote...

The game was good but not even close to DAO. Sales and ratings do not lie.

So CoD and Skyrim must be some of the best games ever right? I have to like them because of "sales and ratings"

God forbid someone can decide they like something you don't with out throwing these half assed meaningless arguments as to why they are wrong for not being just like you.