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[Spartas Husky]

Evolution is no one size fits all answer.

Can't believe so many didn't pay attention to Javik. Through Lore out the window, yay!!!!

[Ecrulis]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I don't care that Synthesis makes people cyborgs. I care that it makes them cyborgs against their will. Control FTW.


Also, how can the artifical inclusion of something that cannot occur naturally (cyborg implants) into the biology of everything possibly constitute evolution? It seems to fall outside the paradigm.

Not even taking into consideration the fact that evolution for one species is not the same as ebvolution for another species, evolution is not some uniformed widespread change that affects all living things. That sort of thinking flies in the face of one of the main themes of ME which is unity despite our differences. Synthesis is telling us that the only way to be united is to do away with our differences and that is disgusting.

[Felya87]

the final evolution of life, usually, is extinction. once a race stop evolving, usually have no means to adapt to new adversity.

[Yestare7]

Ecrulis wrote...

 Synthesis is telling us that the only way to be united is to do away with our differences and that is disgusting.

100% agreed, it is disgusting:sick::sick:

[ruggly]

[Ecrulis]

Felya87 wrote...

the final evolution of life, usually, is extinction. once a race stop evolving, usually have no means to adapt to new adversity.

Exactly

[Seival]

Felya87 wrote...

the final evolution of life, usually, is extinction. once a race stop evolving, usually have no means to adapt to new adversity.

Synthesis is about stop evolving when there is nothing left to adapt to. Everything has its limits. Even if you don't see those limits from where you stand.

[Volc19]

Final evolution of life?

In a closed system, entropy can only increase. There is no final evolution, sh!t just gets crazier as time goes on. Change just can't stop.

Synthesis is just a change imposed by the Crucible. It is in no way inevitable, nor is it the end to biological evolution.

[Ecrulis]

Seival wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

the final evolution of life, usually, is extinction. once a race stop evolving, usually have no means to adapt to new adversity.

Synthesis is about stop evolving when there is nothing left to adapt to. Everything has its limits. Even if you don't see those limits from where you stand.

The galaxy isn't stagnant life doesn't work that way, the reason evolution exists is because there will always be yet another thing to adapt to, the second a species can no longer adapt to change is the point when extintion begins.

[deatharmonic]

Evolution isn't something which occurs through the will of living beings. So all of this:

'if you don't wanna be changed, if you don't wanna change others if you don't have desire to shape the world around you, then you are dead-end and will become extinct eventually'

Is complete twaddle.

[Ledgend1221]

Seival wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

the final evolution of life, usually, is extinction. once a race stop evolving, usually have no means to adapt to new adversity.

Synthesis is about stop evolving when there is nothing left to adapt to. Everything has its limits. Even if you don't see those limits from where you stand.

Blah blah blah!
What a bore.

[Spartas Husky]

ruggly wrote...

wtf?

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 02 avril 2013 - 09:12 .

[Mr.House]

There is no final evolution of life. To even think that is beyond silly.

[Spartas Husky]

Mr.House wrote...

There is no final evolution of life. To even think that is beyond silly.

Its called dying lol

[Seival]

Ecrulis wrote...

Seival wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

the final evolution of life, usually, is extinction. once a race stop evolving, usually have no means to adapt to new adversity.

Synthesis is about stop evolving when there is nothing left to adapt to. Everything has its limits. Even if you don't see those limits from where you stand.

The galaxy isn't stagnant life doesn't work that way, the reason evolution exists is because there will always be yet another thing to adapt to, the second a species can no longer adapt to change is the point when extintion begins.

Evolution stops when you have adapted to everything. There are great number of different challenges for the life, but from some point the challenges will just start to repeat themselves, because nothing new will ever happen again.

Everything has its limits. Even evolution of life comes to the end because there are no more new challenges left.

Modifié par Seival, 02 avril 2013 - 09:20 .

[ruggly]

If there are no more challenges left, then what's the point of anything.

[AresKeith]

Is Seival still going his troll cult rants?

[jstme]

Final evolution is nonsense, it does not exist.
So synthesis can equal "final evolution" in that one parameter,being complete nonsense too that is.

[Seival]

ruggly wrote...

If there are no more challenges left, then what's the point of anything.

There is no point in anything even right now. Everyone just do something they find interesting to themselves or something they have to do to have an opportunity to do something interesting.

Life has no meaning. It just produce lives. And what exactly to do with your own time - is your own personal decision.

[ForThessia]

ruggly wrote...

Essentially how I feel reading this.

[Asuukuru]

Seival wrote...

Evolution stops when you have adapted to everything. There are great number of different challenges for the life, but from some point the challenges will just start to repeat themselves, because nothing new will ever happen again.

Everything has its limits. Even evolution of life comes to the end because there are no more new challenges left.

I dont think you understand evolution, evolution is a response to current stresses. Adaptations do not stack ontop of each other. The idea that there are no more challenges is impossible for the very reason that the stress a species is subjected to fluctuates and varies with time. For example, in Humans, wisdom teeth are disappearing because people lack a need for them. There is no longer a stress to keep wisdom teeth. However, if something happens that gives the remaining people with wisdom teeth an advantage over people without wisdom teeth, it stands to reason they would once again become part of the population. In order for there to be a final step on evolution "when you have adapted to everything" would imply every adaptation is maintained, which is wrong, adaptations are gradually lost once the stress is no longer present. Hence there is always an evolutionary response. Also Because evolution is a response to stress, there is no unique or sole approach to said stress, so hinting it is the final state of evolution suggests it is also the only approach organisms could take, when evolution has shown millions of different approaches to addressing the same problem.

The idea that evolution has a final step, shows that you have no graps of what evolution means, the universe is not constant, it changes, and with it, organisms would change and adapt to changing situations. The idea that there is a final step is factually and scientifically incorrect. Evolution doesnt demand changes, changes create an evolutionary response. To say evolution demands changes is an example of the tail wagging the dog type argument. Also evolution is not a matter of choice, its a matter of survival. From the point of view of survival, there is no difference for organics between a synthesis, destroy or control ending. In the three possible endings, survival of organics from the reapers is achieved. 

You are also attributing evolution a sort of will, and a sense of choice by saying people who dont want to be changed will become extinct, and those who survive are those who look towards the future. Evolution is a matter of statistical probability increasing survivability, it has nothing to do with choice, nor it is something that is directed through will.


Also, in order for it to be a homogenized final step of evolution, it would imply that all species in the galaxy are submitted to the exact same evolutionary stress. We know this to not be true according to the ME lore, the stress in this case would be survival from synthetics, however, since reapers aim to preserve life, they will not attempt to kill all organics, hence not all organics would be subjected to the same stress from synthetics, and the "final step of evolution" would actually serve no adaptive purpose, making it not an actual evolutionary response. Also, Evolution is a process that only exists through selection through generations. The entire conflict with the reapers was less than 1 generation, therefore survival from reapers could not really be considered an evolutionary response. 

The only purpose Synthesis serves is to eliminate a differentiation between organics and synthetics in order to end the war between the two. That concept has nothing to do with evolution. You can like or dislike synthesis, however, to claim it is a step in evolution is factually wrong, it does not fit the concept of evolutionary biology. 

[ruggly]

Seival wrote...

ruggly wrote...

If there are no more challenges left, then what's the point of anything.

There is no point in anything even right now. Everyone just do something they find interesting to themselves or something they have to do to have an opportunity to do something interesting.

Life has no meaning. It just produce lives. And what exactly to do with your own time - is your own personal decision.

Such a cheery thought.

[TheRealJayDee]

...wrong...

[Applepie_Svk]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Seival is insane.

Yes, it is that simple.

not insane just indoctrinated