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[Artifex_Imperius]

What is the Solution to Organic/Synthetic Conflict?

Well everbody Agree's that the Catalyst was wrong: and Organics were no the source of the problem. which is why we chose DESTROY ending.

Ok lets set ourselves to the apex again. the unchangable eventuallity; A RACE OF SUPER UNSTOPABLE SYNTHETICS arise its LOGIC DESTROY ALL ORGANICS BECAUSE OF THEIR FLAWS.

that had always happened in the past and will happen in the future. as the catalyst said.

catalyst another synthetic probably fought those unstopable synthetics before and won or else we wouldnt be here.
it was probably a bloody conflict that happened again and again and again and again.

catalyst only solution: KILL ADVANCE ORGANICS BEFORE THEY MAKE THE UNSTOPABLE ORGANICS AGAIN. AND START KILL EVERYTHING ELSE LEFT.

so whats your solution? cause synthesis is definitely most of us disagree on.

people keep complaining about the 3 ending choices. show some solution to the problem SYNTHETIC/ORGANIC WAR!

to add:
So with all your comments I will change my view of Mass Effect! and put the focus on space adventure and romance!

So NO conflict at all. Reapers are just some bad monster i have to slay to save the day! FPS style! lol.

I understand BSN better now!

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 03 avril 2013 - 07:09 .

[Texhnolyze101]

It doesn't exist so i ignore it.

[Artifex_Imperius]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

It doesn't exist so i ignore it.

So denial is a good answer! Why care about something that would happen a 10,000 years later right. if your great5x grandchildren encounters the problem you'd say S*CKS to be them!

[The Night Mammoth]

I reject the idea that there is one.

But if there were, hypothetically, I'd need more information. All we know is that, supposedly, organics always make synthetics, and for some reason, these synthetics always destroy their creators, and that inevitably, they will wipe out all organic life, without intervention.

There must be a whole lot more to it than that moronically simple and asinine explanation.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 03 avril 2013 - 05:21 .

[Big Bad]

My solution is to remove the Catalyst from the game, thus preventing its alleged conflict from ever existing.

Sure, it's cheating, but it also allows me to keep enjoying the ME universe, so I think it's justified. 

Modifié par Big Bad, 03 avril 2013 - 05:19 .

[PwrdOff]

Organic vs. synthetic conflict is no different from organic on organic or synthetic on synthetic. You just have to accept that it will happen from time to time, take necessary precautions, and deal with it the best you can.

Also, you could just stop making synthetics. It's not like your economy wouldn't be toppled by crippling unemployment long before the machines decide to rebel anyway.

[SeptimusMagistos]

Wait for a synthetic race to emerge. Wait for the first person to suggest we kill them all. Then shoot him in the head. Offer the synthetics passports and weekends off. Rinse and repeat.

[Artifex_Imperius]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I reject the idea that there is one.

But if there were, hypothetically, I'd need more information. All we know is that. supposedly, organics always make synthetics, and for some reason, these synthetics always destroy their creators, and that inevitably, they will wipe out all organic life, without intervention.

There must be a whole lot more to it than that moronically simple and asinine explanation.

denial again! where going some where here! So if the reaper directive was to extinguish all life and they'd deny you the crucible fight you conventionally glass every last planet in orbit. no harvesting and no mercy. how'd that feel? how'd me verse feel if shepard never ever wins and fight a losing. battle how bout that.

scenario BAM destroy earth NO LANDING just nuke the planet from orbit. BAM destroy palaven destroy thessia.
ANd retreate to darkspace bam detonante every last relay to destroy every goddamn living thing in the galaxy. howd that feel. for no solution.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 03 avril 2013 - 05:25 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

It doesn't exist so i ignore it.

So denial is a good answer! Why care about something that would happen a 10,000 years later right. if your great5x grandchildren encounters the problem you'd say S*CKS to be them!

Its only a problem if you make something of it and i don't so there is no organic/synthetic problem.

[webhead921]

I would make sure that the story of the Morning War continues to be told. We should make sure that past mistakes are not repeated.

[Astartes Marine]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...
 the unchangable eventuallity

I stopped reading right there.  Has the Catalyst ever observed a cycle that survived a Reaper conflict?  Of course not.  The damn thing starts these organic/synthetic conflicts or interferes with other developments just to have a reason to exist.  Reaper interference in the Zha'Til (Prothean cycle) caused them to be the aggressors for example.

Our cycle survives the war, the whole scenario has changed now.  I made peace between the Quarians and the Geth, EDI was learning what it was like to be human, and I would bet a good chunk of cash that the Reaper conflict is one thing the galaxy as a whole will not soon forget.  Everyone will have learned and gained valuable experience from it all.  Afterwards, they can build a future of hope and understanding.


As for destroying organics, the Protheans were winning the battle against their own synthetic enemies (Metacons) and the Reapers showed up, the Quarians were making headway into taking out the Geth...and the Reapers showed up.  I guess that Catalyst doesn't ever want to see evidence that organics can actually survive a synthetic rebellion much less crush it.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 03 avril 2013 - 05:24 .

[Ledgend1221]

Let it play out.
What do I care if one side wins?

[MrFob]

The irony is that a simple solution is already presented in game in the Rannoch arch (and to some extent in EDI's plotline as well).
The solution is to accept synthetic life as just that: Life. Integrate it into galactic society. Acknowledge that they have rights and obligations like everyone else. Give them the possibility to self determinate their fate on a cultural and individual level. You do that and I have yet to meet a synthetic in the ME universe who wouldn't be happy, peaceful and reasonable, all in all a good neighbor and an easy guy to coexist with.
At the end of ME3 (persuasive Shep), the galactic society is on the best path to that situation ... until star kid comes along.

Modifié par MrFob, 03 avril 2013 - 05:29 .

[Iakus]

There will be conflict. There will be solutions. Just like the conflicts between other nations and species. There is no one solution because there is no one factor that touches off conflicts. Just gotta figure it out when you get there and try to keep the peace in the meantime. Just like we do today.

Edit:  also what MrFob said

Modifié par iakus, 03 avril 2013 - 05:30 .

[EnvyTB075]

I don't have a solution, as there is no conflict.

[Big Bad]

MrFob wrote...

The irony is that a simple solution is already presented in game in the Rannoch arch.
The solution is to accept synthetic life as just that: Life. Integrate it into galactic society. Acknowledge that they have rights and obligations like everyone else. Give them the possibility to self determinate their fate on a cultural and individual level.
At the end of ME3 (persuasive Shep), the galactic society is on the best path to that situation ... until star kid comes along.

Yep.  The star kid is a cancer.  Thank you for removing him from my game, sir! 

[Artifex_Imperius]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...
 the unchangable eventuallity

I stopped reading right there.  Has the Catalyst ever observed a cycle that survived a Reaper conflict?  Of course not.  The damn thing starts these organic/synthetic conflicts or interferes with other developments just to have a reason to exist.  Reaper interference in the Zha'Til (Prothean cycle) caused them to be the aggressors for example.

Our cycle survives the war, the whole scenario has changed now.  I made peace between the Quarians and the Geth, EDI was learning what it was like to be human, and I would bet a good chunk of cash that the Reaper conflict is one thing the galaxy as a whole will not soon forget.  Everyone will have learned and gained valuable experience from it all.  Afterwards, they can build a future of hope and understanding.


As for destroying organics, the Protheans were winning the battle against their own synthetic enemies (Metacons) and the Reapers showed up, the Quarians were making headway into taking out the Geth...and the Reapers showed up.  I guess that Catalyst doesn't ever want to see evidence that organics can actually survive a synthetic rebellion much less crush it.

reapers created the cycle to end the previous pattern and created there own pattern. Millions of battles have occured before the reapers turned on the organics and stared the cycle. each pattern thesame cause: organics creating synthetics that kill everything. metacon war may have been won but they will eventually create a synthetic that they can never defeat.

[Artifex_Imperius]

MrFob wrote...

The irony is that a simple solution is already presented in game in the Rannoch arch (and to some extent in EDI's plotline as well).
The solution is to accept synthetic life as just that: Life. Integrate it into galactic society. Acknowledge that they have rights and obligations like everyone else. Give them the possibility to self determinate their fate on a cultural and individual level. You do that and I have yet to meet a synthetic in the ME universe who wouldn't be happy, peaceful and reasonable, all in all a good neighbor and an easy guy to coexist with.
At the end of ME3 (persuasive Shep), the galactic society is on the best path to that situation ... until star kid comes along.

measuring those things in a lifetime is horribly wrong and naive
scenario: species A and species B, species A is perfect/superstrong and species B is weak; both occupy a fish bowl. one food left. yep. they need to eat that food in order to survive. so no sharing. guess who would win in a fight. A or B take your pick.

Eventually geth will see that quarians become a burden to their growth add remove them from the equation it does not take a genius to put 1 and 1 together.

rannoch the solution. naive or blind ignorance or are you just trolling me here!

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 03 avril 2013 - 05:44 .

[tevix]

Stop people like the OP from speaking for the rest of us as they self-perpetuate a previously non-existant problem?

[Astartes Marine]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...
Eventually geth will see that quarians become a burden to their growth add remove them from the equation it does not take a genius to put 1 and 1 together.

An assumption.

Artifex_Imperius wrote...
trolling

Says the one arguing in favor of poorly written last minute thrown together plot device.

Artifex_Imperius wrote...
reapers created the cycle to end the
previous pattern and created there own pattern.

Actually the Catalyst created the cycle...after it had killed it's creators and forged Reapers out of them.  Right then and there it fulfilled it's own prophecy of synthetics killing organics.

Artifex_Imperius wrote...
metacon war may have been won but they will eventually
create a synthetic that they can never defeat.

Again, an assumption that the Protheans would be as immensely stupid as the Leviathans.

[Yestare7]

Which conflict?

I only see the damn Reapers making war.

[Artifex_Imperius]

Simple fact there would be no reapers if there were no threat from synthetics to organics.
Mass Effect has always been about Machines versus Organics or else they're would be no need for reapers.

the fact that the reapers are there. set the whole theme of mass effect.

[Eterna]

Control or Synthesis.

Also, lol at the people saying technological singularity isn't a problem. It doesn't have to be AI technology that Destroys us, it can be any form of our own technology; the Catalyst just focuses on Synthetics. There are plenty of instances across all three games that showcase the issue. Even the Reapers themselves are evidence for it. 

We entered the realm of it being a possibility even today with the creation of nuclear weaponry. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 03 avril 2013 - 06:08 .

[Artifex_Imperius]

So with all your comments I will change my view of Mass Effect! and put the focus on space adventure and romance!

So NO conflict at all. Reapers are just some bad monster i have to slay to save the day! FPS style! lol.

I understand BSN better now!

[chemiclord]

A big problem with asking what our solution would be is because even now the player has no real grasp of the problem.

The only information given is that APPARENTLY the Catalyst (or the Leviathans or both) had seen a cycle of this violence occur. We don't know HOW MANY times they witnessed this play out, and we certainly don't know the scale of any of those conflicts. We don't know ANY of the circumstances involved. We don't know if the same issues emerged each time or if the judgment was made on a results only basis.

There is no basis for a solution because no basis of the problem has ever been laid out. The player is just supposed to take the Catalyst's word for it... and that's a VERY hard pill to swallow considering the player's experience (either first or second hand) is that the Reapers themselves directly fanned two of those conflicts (Reaper influence was noted in the Zha'til, and their fingerprints are ALL OVER the geth).

Modifié par chemiclord, 03 avril 2013 - 06:20 .