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[Heldarion]

udinbak4 wrote...

This tier list was created according to himegoto's playstyle, and he's not suggesting that the top tier kits are the best ever, only that they suit his playstyle best.

Sooooo... what's the use then?

[HolyAvenger]

Beerfish wrote...
 I don't want to use an assault rifle on essentially a biotic class SO DO THINGS MY WAY AND MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR OTHERS

lolwut.

Been running AR AdeptShepards since ME1.

Please GTFO with your arbitrary class-weapon linkages and leave us the freedom to play as we want in peace. 

[StoxRegalia]

Heldarion wrote...

udinbak4 wrote...

This tier list was created according to himegoto's playstyle, and he's not suggesting that the top tier kits are the best ever, only that they suit his playstyle best.

Sooooo... what's the use then?

To let us know how much he loves the reegar.

Modifié par Notorious P I G, 03 avril 2013 - 03:27 .

[Heldarion]

Notorious P I G wrote...

Heldarion wrote...

udinbak4 wrote...

This tier list was created according to himegoto's playstyle, and he's not suggesting that the top tier kits are the best ever, only that they suit his playstyle best.

Sooooo... what's the use then?

Too let us know how much he loves the reegar.

I'm sure himegoto loves to explain at length, then.

[megabeast37215]

himegoto wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

himegoto wrote...

And I dont know whats your deal with the Reegar mega. Why so butthurt and immature?

I use it on some classes... but not THAT many classes. It's a crutch weapon, so is the Acolyte to some extent... and it's on a bunch of your builds too.

I'm sure you're a good player... but having so many crutches in your builds makes you look like a scrub.

I'm also starting the think the LOLhurrdurrcane is a crutch too... but that's kind of an unpopular opinion even among my circle of friends.

I just dont understand why you're so butthurt over it.
Are you going to murder a kitten if I tell you I only use the aco and reegar on every kit? Why do you care what I use or what any other person use?
Snap out of it already and grow up.

I'm not at all butthurt buddy... I'm just making sure everyone knows you're a total scrub who uses crutches PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY.

Next time you try to call yourself a good/great player... more people will know now... you never leave home without lolreegar, lolacolyte and lolhurrdurrcane.

I'll bow out of your "tier 1 is great with the reegar/acolyte/hurrdurrcane" "tier 2 is just a little worse with those weapons", etc.

I did like the Asariguard with the Kishock... till I saw the hurrdurrcane...

Modifié par megabeast37215, 03 avril 2013 - 03:36 .

[himegoto]

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

While I agree that with burst DPS the Drell Infi isn’t
better than the Adept or Vanguard per se, he doesn’t require any of the
variables that they do to be full effective. He doesn’t need [a grenade pack +
thermal clips + a map where grenades spawn decently + teammates who don’t hog
grenades] to be fully effective, and he’s 10x as survivable as both of them,
and since he can provide “intel” in the form of scanning enemies, as well as a
powerful debuff to them, I’d say that all-in-all, he’s a better class. Don’t
get me wrong; the other two Drell can technically out DPS him, but only in
ideal circumstances, and with the best players. The Drell Infiltrator is a
better overall class because it’s instantly powerful in the hands of any player
that has even a decent idea how to use an infiltrator.

I also agree the DI is more versatile across different maps and fractions than the DA and DV. Your analysis is spot on and also why I consider him a much better kit than the other 2 in platinum.
2 of my friends are very good with him. Maybe I haven't get the full potential out of him yet (Love the DV too much to play other drells..). I still wouldn't see him as 'easy' as those I put in tier 1 yet, at least to my playstyle.

[Beerfish]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
 I don't want to use an assault rifle on essentially a biotic class SO DO THINGS MY WAY AND MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR OTHERS

lolwut.

Been running AR AdeptShepards since ME1.

Please GTFO with your arbitrary class-weapon linkages and leave us the freedom to play as we want in peace. 

I could care less how you equip your character, heck half the people that play this game use the claymore on any class including biotic classes.  The responses to my assertion that the human sentinel is crap have been exactly what you are railing against, you might want to read back a few posts in the chain before you toss out the old GTFO.

Your biotic class is not effective?  Well just use the acolyte or just use an assault rifle and head shot. 

Modifié par Beerfish, 03 avril 2013 - 03:37 .

[chcknwng]

Human Adept is easily Tier 1, And Ex-Cerb Adept is Tier 2 for me. Any kits with the new Singularity is an automatic Tier 2 at least.

[himegoto]

GohanOwns wrote...

himegoto wrote..
So basically the Hurricane is bad because in your opinion it isn't as good as the Reegar. Neglecting the range advantage and so on.
My bad I guess. I shouldn't have taken you seriously.

You should be friends with mega.

people shouldn't be taking you and your thread seriously actually. These are the stupidest builds I've ever come across that make no sense at all. Carrying a secondary on an infiltrator is never an issue. And don't tell me hurricane QMI is better than hurricane GI. You'll just make yourself look even more stupid.

What? What does it has to do with a Hurricane GI now? Huh...

megabeast37215 wrote...

himegoto wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

himegoto wrote...

And I dont know whats your deal with the Reegar mega. Why so butthurt and immature?

I
use it on some classes... but not THAT many classes. It's a crutch
weapon, so is the Acolyte to some extent... and it's on a bunch of your
builds too.

I'm sure you're a good player... but having so many crutches in your builds makes you look like a scrub.

I'm
also starting the think the LOLhurrdurrcane is a crutch too... but
that's kind of an unpopular opinion even among my circle of
friends.

I just dont understand why you're so butthurt over it.
Are
you going to murder a kitten if I tell you I only use the aco and
reegar on every kit? Why do you care what I use or what any other person
use?
Snap out of it already and grow up.

I'm not
at all butthurt buddy... I'm just making sure everyone knows you're a
total scrub who uses crutches PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY.

Next
time you try to call yourself a good/great player... more people will
know now... you never leave home without lolreegar, lolacolyte and
lolhurrdurrcane.

I'll bow out of your "tier 1 is great with the
reegar/acolyte/hurrdurrcane" "tier 2 is just a little worse with those
weapons", etc.

I did like the Asariguard with the Kishock... till I saw the hurrdurrcane...

For the record you're the one that said I'm a good/great player. Never said it myself
On my tier 1 list you can also see Talon on my GI, Lancer on my TGI, and Wraith on my sexbot. They are all lolcrutches indeed.

Good to know you're not that butthurt over what another people do. Cause life seems horrible if that's all in one's occupied mind. Ew.

Stasis Kishock sniper is very fun. Till you have to take out an Atlas or Praetorian. Try it and tell me how that went.

Modifié par himegoto, 03 avril 2013 - 03:52 .

[HolyAvenger]

Beerfish wrote...


Your biotic class is not effective?  Well just use the acolyte or just use an assault rifle and head shot. 

 
While the problem is fair, to an extent, the proposed solution is idiotic. 

[StoxRegalia]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Notorious P I G wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Notorious P I G wrote...

Is tier 1 supposed to be the best? Why is the batarian vanguard there over the soldier?

Probably because of DR and LOLreegar... I imagine he's a better LOLreegar platform than the Kroguard.

Only painforest would take a buttarian over the broguard.

 

What happened to that filthy batarian lover.

She got End of Rined

[kajtarp]

I dont want to be rude becouse i can imagine how much time you needed to make the OP with all of those builds. But as it seems, many of us doesnt agree on your Tiers, and i personally doesnt agree with your suggested builds.

[Beerfish]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Beerfish wrote...


Your biotic class is not effective?  Well just use the acolyte or just use an assault rifle and head shot. 

 
While the problem is fair, to an extent, the proposed solution is idiotic. 

Eh?  the problem is fair?  The classes two main components are Warp and Throw.  The game mechanic does not allow you to make effective use of them. 

As for my other comment about having to use an ability at first surely you recognize that as a dig at the abilites of the class and the suggestions as to how to remedy them by other posters rather than an actual suggestion.  Saying that a class should have to use an ability to be able to effectively use their shooting powers is about as useful as people telling me "You just have to use this particular weapon and shoot the target in such a way and then you can use your biotics on the mook that is 9/10ths dead."

Other classes have much more reliable abilites, stasis bubble, reave, fury ann field, grenades, dark channel, shockwave.  Most of these abilites most often go off without a hitch without any pre requirement to shoot the opponent.  That is why the Sentinel sucks.

[himegoto]

kajtarp wrote...

I dont want to be rude becouse i can imagine how much time you needed to make the OP with all of those builds. But as it seems, many of us doesnt agree on your Tiers, and i personally doesnt agree with your suggested builds.

That is fair. Everyone has their own opinions.
What doesn't you agree with?

[Alijah Green]

#fail and good riddance

[Sulaco_7]

Why use the Lancer on the Destroyer? Isn't the PPR/Destroyer the most optimal boss melting kit in the game?

[Zjarcal]

himegoto wrote...

==============
Tier 1
==============
GI 
TGI 
QMI 
Sexbot 
Asari Valkyrie Sentinel 
Batarian Slasher Adept 
Batguard 

==============
Tier 2
==============
All remaining Infiltrators
Drellguard 
Kroguard 
N7 Paladin 
N7 Destroyer 
Krogan Soldier 
Batarian Soldier 
Turian Soldier 
Vorcha Soldier (occasional FE build)
Vorcha Sentinel (light melee build)
Geth Trooper Soldier 
N7 Slayer 
N7 Fury 
Drell Adept 
Geth Engi 
Geth Jugg 
Krolord - too many ways to build him. But ideas the same so I wont bother.
Cabal Vanguard 

==============
Tier 3
==============
N7 Demolisher 
Asari Vanguard (kishock sniper)
Ex-Cerb Vanguard 
Human Vanguard 
Asari Justicar Adept 
Collector Adept 
Human Adept 
Krogan Shaman Adept 
Quarian Male Engi 
Quarian Marksman Soldier 
Human Engi 
Volus Engi 
Human Sentinel 
http://narida.pytalh...alineModule3//' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>Krogan Sentinel
Turian Sentinel 
Human Soldier 
BF3 Soldier 

==============
Tier 4
==============
Ex-cerb Adept
Asari Adept
Volus Vanguard
Salarian Engi
Quarian Engi
Turian Havoc
Batarian Sentinel

==============
Tier 5
==============
Turian Saboteur Engi
Vorcha Hunter Engi
Volus Merc Sentinel
Volus Adept

As much as this list hurts my brain, the formatting in the OP hurt my eyes even more, so I took the time to make proper links.

You're welcome OP.

[ThatOddGuy]

Your Krogan Soldier build is embarrassing. 3 points in Carnage so you can load up on Fitness?

Also, your Batguard and Kroguard builds are basically identical... Might as well change it up a little and make one a melee build. Both of these kits accel vs. Geth no matter how you spec them. Personally, I make the Kroguard ranks 5&6 for melee, rank 4 for fitness, and melee synergy. Works like a charm. My Batguard is either identical to yours, or I went with weapon damage in rank 4 passives. I don't remember.

I don't know why you put Batguard in Tier 1, and Kroguard in Tier 2.

If you spec Krogan Soldier properly, I would say it's Tier 1 because of sheer crowd control and armor damage.

half way down the list. More to come.


EDIT: I should say something positive...

Your Drell Vanguard is similar to mine, but there are things about yours I actually like better. In particular, bonus power. I feel stupid for wasting Rank 6 on 225 shields...

For me, how to spec the passives remains in question. Claymore is so overkill (and my Wraith is only I), which allows it to be put on passives, but you want to still hit bosses hard... And you want recharge speed, so that's rank 4. I think you hit the nail on the head.

But I think I'd take weapon synergy over power synergy. I have a horrible time hitting things with Cluster Grenades, so I save that for the Asari Vanguard instead.


I was also looking for a way to spec the Batarian Slasher. You're thoughts were close to mine, which is encouraging. moreEDIT: Tier 1, though?

Also was looking for a Bat Soldier build as I promoted Soldiers to chage a few things on various kits. I don't think you need recharge speed on rank 5 of Blades. It's .3 seconds...


MORE EDIT

- Asari Vanguard and Justicar in Tier 3? You're doing it wrong. Tier 2.
- Human Engineer is massively underrated. Still one of the best Engineers in the game. Tier 2.
- As for a Krogan Sentinel Niche -- he's really the only (good) Heavy Melee AND Heavy Weapon platform. Good at all ranges. Krolord? Not so much. Also, Grenades for mobs. I've never seen anyone do as well with a Krolord as I've seen with Krentinel.
- Saboteur is underrated. Doesn't belong in Tier 5. If you don't like him, still Tier 4. For me, high 3.

Modifié par ThatOddGuy, 03 avril 2013 - 06:48 .

[puldalpha]

himegoto wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

himegoto wrote...

And I dont know whats your deal with the Reegar mega. Why so butthurt and immature?

I use it on some classes... but not THAT many classes. It's a crutch weapon, so is the Acolyte to some extent... and it's on a bunch of your builds too.

I'm sure you're a good player... but having so many crutches in your builds makes you look like a scrub.

I'm also starting the think the LOLhurrdurrcane is a crutch too... but that's kind of an unpopular opinion even among my circle of friends.

I just dont understand why you're so butthurt over it.
Are you going to murder a kitten if I tell you I only use the aco and reegar on every kit? Why do you care what I use or what any other person use?
Snap out of it already and grow up.

It really isn't a quality tier list if you're having most the kits carrying the reegar and essentially playing the kits the same. That coupled with the fact that the reegar isn't loved very much on BSN, and the fact that your previous tier lists weren't any good throws out most the credibility this tier list may remotely have.

Modifié par puldalpha, 03 avril 2013 - 07:01 .

[Star fury]

himegoto wrote...

There are some good discussion but a few silly people?
You 2 amongst them.

I placed the Hsent in tier 3 and I'm a fanboy.
And I dont know whats your deal with the Reegar mega. Why so butthurt and immature?

The problem is mostly not where you put your fanboy class, but where you put almost exactly the same class. You always put AA several tiers lower than HS. And that's really dumb, even dumber when you do it in ALL your lists of tiers. People always have problem with that, among many many other reasons. And that is perfectly justifiable. 

But no, people who question your tiers are "stupid". But somehow your lists are always torn to shreds.

Modifié par Star fury, 03 avril 2013 - 08:09 .

[ThatOddGuy]

Yea, I've taken a second look, and this is a bit of a joke...

Thanks for a couple build/spec ideas. I'll take this as a build list, because that's the only way this thread manages to justify itself. The whole Tier thing is a bit ludicrous, even when putting subjectivity aside. Some of these are simply beyond asinine.

There are a lot of kits here where you are simply doing it wrong because half of your kits are redundant, and none of them use niche weapons... they all just say "which kits make the best use of crutch weapons."

You're better off making build lists and not posting any weapon at all on them, or just the default common weapons to signify the damage difference, unless there is a specific weapon that is imperative to the build.

Maybe some day, I'll work on a list like this of my own. But I don't think I would ever sort them into Tiers. Rather, I'd sort them into categories of how the builds are applied.

[BjornDaDwarf]

Looks more like a tier list of weapons than a tier list of classes.