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[Zjarcal]

GohanOwns wrote...

Too much time in hand?..

Just kidding, good work. Youmust have a terrible OCD and a lot of patience to do this.

I did have time to kill right now.

But yes, I do have a terrible OCD for that kind of stuff, bugs the hell out of me.

[lightswitch]

Thanks Zjarcal.

Now that I can actually read that list...wow, that is really...well, lets just say some things caught me off guard. How are the two Drell with Clusters not tier 1? How is the Batguard tier 1?

Modifié par lightswitch, 03 avril 2013 - 07:36 .

[cowwy]

This list does not compute. Assguard and Krosent in tier 3? Seriously?

[Tybo]

lightswitch wrote...

Thanks Zjarcal.

Now that I can actually read that list...wow, that is really...well, lets just say some things caught me off guard. How are the two Drell with Clusters not tier 1? How is the Batguard tier 1?

Because LOLReegar.  Don't get why LOLReegar Batguard is T1, but LOLReegar Kroguard isn't.  Stagger resistance easily makes up for the quicker charge cooldown.  

[xJNPSx THE WAGN]

Psycho Mantis I wrote...

Drell Adept/Vanguard, Human Adept/Vanguard, Fury, Slayer, Human Soldier,Turian Soldier/Sentinel should all be in Tier 1.

this

[stysiaq]

It's really a terrible list.

[xandax86]

Who is himegoto and why should I care about his/her tier list.

[himegoto]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

Your Krogan Soldier build is embarrassing. 3 points in Carnage so you can load up on Fitness?

Also, your Batguard and Kroguard builds are basically identical... Might as well change it up a little and make one a melee build. Both of these kits accel vs. Geth no matter how you spec them. Personally, I make the Kroguard ranks 5&6 for melee, rank 4 for fitness, and melee synergy. Works like a charm. My Batguard is either identical to yours, or I went with weapon damage in rank 4 passives. I don't remember.

I don't know why you put Batguard in Tier 1, and Kroguard in Tier 2.

If you spec Krogan Soldier properly, I would say it's Tier 1 because of sheer crowd control and armor damage.

half way down the list. More to come.


EDIT: I should say something positive...

Your Drell Vanguard is similar to mine, but there are things about yours I actually like better. In particular, bonus power. I feel stupid for wasting Rank 6 on 225 shields...

For me, how to spec the passives remains in question. Claymore is so overkill (and my Wraith is only I), which allows it to be put on passives, but you want to still hit bosses hard... And you want recharge speed, so that's rank 4. I think you hit the nail on the head.

But I think I'd take weapon synergy over power synergy. I have a horrible time hitting things with Cluster Grenades, so I save that for the Asari Vanguard instead.


I was also looking for a way to spec the Batarian Slasher. You're thoughts were close to mine, which is encouraging. moreEDIT: Tier 1, though?

Also was looking for a Bat Soldier build as I promoted Soldiers to chage a few things on various kits. I don't think you need recharge speed on rank 5 of Blades. It's .3 seconds...


MORE EDIT

- Asari Vanguard and Justicar in Tier 3? You're doing it wrong. Tier 2.
- Human Engineer is massively underrated. Still one of the best Engineers in the game. Tier 2.
- As for a Krogan Sentinel Niche -- he's really the only (good) Heavy Melee AND Heavy Weapon platform. Good at all ranges. Krolord? Not so much. Also, Grenades for mobs. I've never seen anyone do as well with a Krolord as I've seen with Krentinel.
- Saboteur is underrated. Doesn't belong in Tier 5. If you don't like him, still Tier 4. For me, high 3.

I am using a full melee build with the kroguard. With wraith on omni blade and hv barral. Can you honestly imagine the amount of butthurt people though if I post that build instead of a full shields reegar build?

Batguard is much faster in BC speed and striding speed as I've mentioned. And that for me sets me on a new level than the sluggish Kroguard.

The Krosol. The extra fitness allows me to sustain and deal out more damage at the same time. I've spent a few respec cards on him to arrive to this.
I've said this times and times. More fitness on some kits allows for more DPS. But only a few could ever grasp the idea.
Try it, then comment on my build again. You can also see a build I made on him in my sig.

And the Batsol. I dont exactly remember picking recharge speed on the BB. Either way that's nothing to nitpick about.
Furthermore it's more than 3000 damage every approx 2.2sec. With a double stagger utility. What's not to love?

[himegoto]

Sulaco_7 wrote...

Why use the Lancer on the Destroyer? Isn't the PPR/Destroyer the most optimal boss melting kit in the game?

I switch it up on guns choices. Playing more with the typhoon or lancer now that I've specced 3 into nades. Sometimes the Indra.
Always preferred the typhoon over the PPR though.

[himegoto]

Star fury wrote...

himegoto wrote...

There are some good discussion but a few silly people?
You 2 amongst them.

I placed the Hsent in tier 3 and I'm a fanboy.
And I dont know whats your deal with the Reegar mega. Why so butthurt and immature?

The problem is mostly not where you put your fanboy class, but where you put almost exactly the same class. You always put AA several tiers lower than HS. And that's really dumb, even dumber when you do it in ALL your lists of tiers. People always have problem with that, among many many other reasons. And that is perfectly justifiable. 

But no, people who question your tiers are "stupid". But somehow your lists are always torn to shreds.

Again you elaborate way too much.
I put the Hsent in 3 and AA in 4. And that's 'several tiers lower than HS' ?

Let's be frank here. If you take the time to read what people are thinking inside this thread you guys would probably rage on each other's throat on a tier list choice.
I may even have hit a sweet spot with this. But at the end of the day it's just me sharing my opinion. I still don't quite understand the amount of butthurts I'm seeing. Am I endangering your ego by sharing my own tier list?

[himegoto]

puldalpha wrote...

himegoto wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

himegoto wrote...

And I dont know whats your deal with the Reegar mega. Why so butthurt and immature?

I use it on some classes... but not THAT many classes. It's a crutch weapon, so is the Acolyte to some extent... and it's on a bunch of your builds too.

I'm sure you're a good player... but having so many crutches in your builds makes you look like a scrub.

I'm also starting the think the LOLhurrdurrcane is a crutch too... but that's kind of an unpopular opinion even among my circle of friends.

I just dont understand why you're so butthurt over it.
Are you going to murder a kitten if I tell you I only use the aco and reegar on every kit? Why do you care what I use or what any other person use?
Snap out of it already and grow up.

It really isn't a quality tier list if you're having most the kits carrying the reegar and essentially playing the kits the same. That coupled with the fact that the reegar isn't loved very much on BSN, and the fact that your previous tier lists weren't any good throws out most the credibility this tier list may remotely have.

That's a lot of assumption.
Take a look at some of my builds. How often do you see the reegar?
I use the wraith much more than the reegar. Also claymore, lancer, talon, acolyte.

But I care less what bsn thinks. The reegar makes absolute sense on some kits. Like the krosol and asari valk sent.
Other burst shotguns makes better sense on other kits, like the drellguard and Hsol.
Maybe stop trolling and come to reason for once?

[himegoto]

GohanOwns wrote...

himegoto wrote...

GohanOwns wrote...

himegoto wrote..
So basically the Hurricane is bad because in your opinion it isn't as good as the Reegar. Neglecting the range advantage and so on.
My bad I guess. I shouldn't have taken you seriously.

You should be friends with mega.

people shouldn't be taking you and your thread seriously actually. These are the stupidest builds I've ever come across that make no sense at all. Carrying a secondary on an infiltrator is never an issue. And don't tell me hurricane QMI is better than hurricane GI. You'll just make yourself look even more stupid.

What? What does it has to do with a Hurricane GI now? Huh...

megabeast37215 wrote...

himegoto wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

himegoto wrote...

And I dont know whats your deal with the Reegar mega. Why so butthurt and immature?

I
use it on some classes... but not THAT many classes. It's a crutch
weapon, so is the Acolyte to some extent... and it's on a bunch of your
builds too.

I'm sure you're a good player... but having so many crutches in your builds makes you look like a scrub.

I'm
also starting the think the LOLhurrdurrcane is a crutch too... but
that's kind of an unpopular opinion even among my circle of
friends.

I just dont understand why you're so butthurt over it.
Are
you going to murder a kitten if I tell you I only use the aco and
reegar on every kit? Why do you care what I use or what any other person
use?
Snap out of it already and grow up.

I'm not
at all butthurt buddy... I'm just making sure everyone knows you're a
total scrub who uses crutches PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY.

Next
time you try to call yourself a good/great player... more people will
know now... you never leave home without lolreegar, lolacolyte and
lolhurrdurrcane.

I'll bow out of your "tier 1 is great with the
reegar/acolyte/hurrdurrcane" "tier 2 is just a little worse with those
weapons", etc.

I did like the Asariguard with the Kishock... till I saw the hurrdurrcane...

For the record you're the one that said I'm a good/great player. Never said it myself
On my tier 1 list you can also see Talon on my GI, Lancer on my TGI, and Wraith on my sexbot. They are all lolcrutches indeed.

Good to know you're not that butthurt over what another people do. Cause life seems horrible if that's all in one's occupied mind. Ew.

Stasis Kishock sniper is very fun. Till you have to take out an Atlas or Praetorian. Try it and tell me how that went.

You're either stupid or trolling.

You sound so much like a child.
Reported for continually abusive behavior.

[himegoto]

Zjarcal wrote...

himegoto wrote...

==============
Tier 1
==============
GI 
TGI 
QMI 
Sexbot 
Asari Valkyrie Sentinel 
Batarian Slasher Adept 
Batguard 

==============
Tier 2
==============
All remaining Infiltrators
Drellguard 
Kroguard 
N7 Paladin 
N7 Destroyer 
Krogan Soldier 
Batarian Soldier 
Turian Soldier 
Vorcha Soldier (occasional FE build)
Vorcha Sentinel (light melee build)
Geth Trooper Soldier 
N7 Slayer 
N7 Fury 
Drell Adept 
Geth Engi 
Geth Jugg 
Krolord - too many ways to build him. But ideas the same so I wont bother.
Cabal Vanguard 

==============
Tier 3
==============
N7 Demolisher 
Asari Vanguard (kishock sniper)
Ex-Cerb Vanguard 
Human Vanguard 
Asari Justicar Adept 
Collector Adept 
Human Adept 
Krogan Shaman Adept 
Quarian Male Engi 
Quarian Marksman Soldier 
Human Engi 
Volus Engi 
Human Sentinel 
http://narida.pytalh...alineModule3//' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>Krogan Sentinel
Turian Sentinel 
Human Soldier 
BF3 Soldier 

==============
Tier 4
==============
Ex-cerb Adept
Asari Adept
Volus Vanguard
Salarian Engi
Quarian Engi
Turian Havoc
Batarian Sentinel

==============
Tier 5
==============
Turian Saboteur Engi
Vorcha Hunter Engi
Volus Merc Sentinel
Volus Adept

As much as this list hurts my brain, the formatting in the OP hurt my eyes even more, so I took the time to make proper links.

You're welcome OP.

I wont complain.
Cheers

[PaperAlien]

Wait, Batarians have fast not-sprinting speed? Turians really did get screwed over in mobility.

[himegoto]

PaperAlien wrote...

Wait, Batarians have fast not-sprinting speed? Turians really did get screwed over in mobility.

I dont have the stats or anything. Just what I've noticed in game.
Theres always the Cabal...

[DullahansXMark]

I find it odd that the Saboteur and Volus Merc found themselves in the same tier, but oh well.

[Computron2000]

[quote]himegoto wrote...

[quote]Computron2000 wrote...

Human infiltrator better than HE, QME, Demolisher, Volus engineer, KroSent, TSent? I run all those and i don't feel it. The HI is closer to the QFE than anything[/quote]
You know you are comparing an inflitrator to a QFE. Right?
And the HI does one of the best burst armor damage in game. Sticky nades.
[/quote]
[/quote]

You think too highly of cloak and your burst damage point sounds more from theoretical than from actual HI use.

Cloak is a very good aggro shedder when you're not the only guy alive on the map but that helps survivability which if you're skilled in it enough isn't godly.

Cryoblast is like tact scan. It does not benefit from cloak's CD meaning you have to reverse it, cryoblast THEN cloak and cloaks CD prevents cryoblast spamming. 

Sticky grenades need to be extremely close by or stuck onto the target when they detonate meaning and since there is a lag to detonation, mooks easily get out of range by dodging or simply walking. Trying to stick it on banshees, phantoms, praetorians also don't work due to their power bubble. Evo 6 is bugged to fail half the time so using that to avoid the lag time doesn't work. This means scions, brutes, altas and primes

HI has the worst synergy + sub powers of the infilitrators. Cloak alone does not make it better than QME (self burst, same grenade limitations, way better grenade type, no dodge + in cover debuff) or the other mentioned classes. I suggest you solo gold with the HI, QME, KSent, TSent, Volus Engineer, HE and QFE and you'll find the HI is about the level of the QFE (unless you have a problem with survivibility and know cloak better than turrets then you'll live longer as the HI over the QFE)

[ThatOddGuy]

God... looking at more of your builds... seriously get off the full fitness bandwagon. Why is your QMI full-fitness?

[himegoto]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

God... looking at more of your builds... seriously get off the full fitness bandwagon. Why is your QMI full-fitness?

You should learn2play.
There's nothing wrong with a full fitness QMI.

I gave you the reasons behind a full fitness Krosol but the concept is obviously too hard for you to grasp. Perhaps you will understand the game better with a better manifest.

[himegoto]

[quote]Computron2000 wrote...

[quote]himegoto wrote...

[quote]Computron2000 wrote...

Human infiltrator better than HE, QME, Demolisher, Volus engineer, KroSent, TSent? I run all those and i don't feel it. The HI is closer to the QFE than anything[/quote]
You know you are comparing an inflitrator to a QFE. Right?
And the HI does one of the best burst armor damage in game. Sticky nades.
[/quote]
[/quote]

You think too highly of cloak and your burst damage point sounds more from theoretical than from actual HI use.

Cloak is a very good aggro shedder when you're not the only guy alive on the map but that helps survivability which if you're skilled in it enough isn't godly.

Cryoblast is like tact scan. It does not benefit from cloak's CD meaning you have to reverse it, cryoblast THEN cloak and cloaks CD prevents cryoblast spamming. 

Sticky grenades need to be extremely close by or stuck onto the target when they detonate meaning and since there is a lag to detonation, mooks easily get out of range by dodging or simply walking. Trying to stick it on banshees, phantoms, praetorians also don't work due to their power bubble. Evo 6 is bugged to fail half the time so using that to avoid the lag time doesn't work. This means scions, brutes, altas and primes

HI has the worst synergy + sub powers of the infilitrators. Cloak alone does not make it better than QME (self burst, same grenade limitations, way better grenade type, no dodge + in cover debuff) or the other mentioned classes. I suggest you solo gold with the HI, QME, KSent, TSent, Volus Engineer, HE and QFE and you'll find the HI is about the level of the QFE (unless you have a problem with survivibility and know cloak better than turrets then you'll live longer as the HI over the QFE)
[/quote]
You think too highly of the QFE. And I have a feeling you're just hating on the HI and don't understand stickies at all.
The HI is not best of the bunch but not the worst either in the Inf class.
Only a portion of my tier list I put the solo ability into consideration. You're doing it wrong if that's all you base your tier on.

[Shadow of Terror]

himegoto wrote...
You sound so much like a child.
Reported for continually abusive behavior.

*call someone a child, reports them for abuse behavior*

Whaaaaat?

[Computron2000]

himegoto wrote...
You think too highly of the QFE. And I have a feeling you're just hating on the HI and don't understand stickies at all.
The HI is not best of the bunch but not the worst either in the Inf class.
Only a portion of my tier list I put the solo ability into consideration. You're doing it wrong if that's all you base your tier on.

Ok now i know you're just basing on "tact cloak is OP, all infilitrators = god mode" hypebole and haven't actually used the HI because regular HI players will understand what i said and regular sticky grenade users will know about evo 6 and sticky problems. Btw i used the HI just yesterday so i must like using the classes i hate.

As Moridin would say. "Stuck on ego. Won't change. Waste of time"

[Star fury]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...
You sound so much like a child.
Reported for continually abusive behavior.

*call someone a child, reports them for abuse behavior*

Whaaaaat?

[Shadow of Terror]

himegoto wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

God... looking at more of your builds... seriously get off the full fitness bandwagon. Why is your QMI full-fitness?

You should learn2play.
There's nothing wrong with a full fitness QMI.

I gave you the reasons behind a full fitness Krosol but the concept is obviously too hard for you to grasp. Perhaps you will understand the game better with a better manifest.

Okay, these rankings are your OPINION.

When someone disagrees with your OPINION, and you show them your reason, they don't then have to agree with your reason. You like your reason for running a full fitness KroSol, he might not. Just because he doesn't agree with your concept doesn't mean it's "too hard" for him to grasp.

There is nothing wrong with a full fitness OMI, however by not taking 6 ranks in Tac Scan you're missing out on 10% extra team damage, which is much more important than a few more shields (especially when you have tac cloak). Just because he sees why the fitness isn't needed doesn't mean needs to "learn2play".

Oh, and playing more and having a better manifest doesn't make you a better player, get off your high horse.