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[Star fury]

Computron2000 wrote...

Ok now i know you're just basing on "tact cloak is OP, all infilitrators = god mode" hypebole and haven't actually used the HI because regular HI players will understand what i said and regular sticky grenade users will know about evo 6 and sticky problems. Btw i used the HI just yesterday so i must like using the classes i hate.

As Moridin would say. "Stuck on ego. Won't change. Waste of time"

Huh, you mean the one of the Forsaken?

[BeardyMcGoo]

lol, this list.
lol, these builds.

[himegoto]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

God... looking at more of your builds... seriously get off the full fitness bandwagon. Why is your QMI full-fitness?

You should learn2play.
There's nothing wrong with a full fitness QMI.

I gave you the reasons behind a full fitness Krosol but the concept is obviously too hard for you to grasp. Perhaps you will understand the game better with a better manifest.

Okay, these rankings are your OPINION.

When someone disagrees with your OPINION, and you show them your reason, they don't then have to agree with your reason. You like your reason for running a full fitness KroSol, he might not. Just because he doesn't agree with your concept doesn't mean it's "too hard" for him to grasp.

There is nothing wrong with a full fitness OMI, however by not taking 6 ranks in Tac Scan you're missing out on 10% extra team damage, which is much more important than a few more shields (especially when you have tac cloak). Just because he sees why the fitness isn't needed doesn't mean needs to "learn2play".

Oh, and playing more and having a better manifest doesn't make you a better player, get off your high horse.

Look at this reply I made to him, with reasons on the Krosol. I politely asked him to try it first before further commenting.

himegoto wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

Your Krogan Soldier build is embarrassing. 3 points in Carnage so you can load up on Fitness?

Also,
your Batguard and Kroguard builds are basically identical... Might as
well change it up a little and make one a melee build. Both of these
kits accel vs. Geth no matter how you spec them. Personally, I make the
Kroguard ranks 5&6 for melee, rank 4 for fitness, and melee synergy.
Works like a charm. My Batguard is either identical to yours, or I went
with weapon damage in rank 4 passives. I don't remember.

I don't know why you put Batguard in Tier 1, and Kroguard in Tier 2.

If you spec Krogan Soldier properly, I would say it's Tier 1 because of sheer crowd control and armor damage.

half way down the list. More to come.


EDIT: I should say something positive...

Your
Drell Vanguard is similar to mine, but there are things about yours I
actually like better. In particular, bonus power. I feel stupid for
wasting Rank 6 on 225 shields...

For me, how to spec the passives
remains in question. Claymore is so overkill (and my Wraith is only I),
which allows it to be put on passives, but you want to still hit bosses
hard... And you want recharge speed, so that's rank 4. I think you hit
the nail on the head.

But I think I'd take weapon synergy over
power synergy. I have a horrible time hitting things with Cluster
Grenades, so I save that for the Asari Vanguard instead.


I
was also looking for a way to spec the Batarian Slasher. You're thoughts
were close to mine, which is encouraging. moreEDIT: Tier 1, though?

Also
was looking for a Bat Soldier build as I promoted Soldiers to chage a
few things on various kits. I don't think you need recharge speed on
rank 5 of Blades. It's .3 seconds...


MORE EDIT

- Asari Vanguard and Justicar in Tier 3? You're doing it wrong. Tier 2.
- Human Engineer is massively underrated. Still one of the best Engineers in the game. Tier 2.
-
As for a Krogan Sentinel Niche -- he's really the only (good) Heavy
Melee AND Heavy Weapon platform. Good at all ranges. Krolord? Not so
much. Also, Grenades for mobs. I've never seen anyone do as well with a
Krolord as I've seen with Krentinel.
- Saboteur is underrated. Doesn't belong in Tier 5. If you don't like him, still Tier 4. For me, high 3.

I am
using a full melee build with the kroguard. With wraith on omni blade
and hv barral. Can you honestly imagine the amount of butthurt people
though if I post that build instead of a full shields reegar build?

Batguard
is much faster in BC speed and striding speed as I've mentioned. And
that for me sets me on a new level than the sluggish Kroguard.

The
Krosol. The extra fitness allows me to sustain and deal out more damage
at the same time. I've spent a few respec cards on him to arrive to
this.
I've said this times and times. More fitness on some kits allows for more DPS. But only a few could ever grasp the idea.
Try it, then comment on my build again. You can also see a build I made on him in my sig.

And the Batsol. I dont exactly remember picking recharge speed on the BB. Either way that's nothing to nitpick about.
Furthermore it's more than 3000 damage every approx 2.2sec. With a double stagger utility. What's not to love?

And look at his reply back, neglecting the Krosol completely and jumping the discussion to a fitness QMI and assuming it's faulty. A brief explanation to the QMI's full fitness is most of the time you should be busy killing and nading. Who have time for tac scan?
Maybe in a long hallway in a boss spawn platinum game. This is a gold tier. And I am evaluating sustained benefit over a situational weapon boost.

[himegoto]

Computron2000 wrote...

himegoto wrote...
You think too highly of the QFE. And I have a feeling you're just hating on the HI and don't understand stickies at all.
The HI is not best of the bunch but not the worst either in the Inf class.
Only a portion of my tier list I put the solo ability into consideration. You're doing it wrong if that's all you base your tier on.

Ok now i know you're just basing on "tact cloak is OP, all infilitrators = god mode" hypebole and haven't actually used the HI because regular HI players will understand what i said and regular sticky grenade users will know about evo 6 and sticky problems. Btw i used the HI just yesterday so i must like using the classes i hate.

As Moridin would say. "Stuck on ego. Won't change. Waste of time"

If you absolutely think the HI is weaker than the QFE. Thats fair it's your opinion.
I can down a brute in one nade and one claymore shot. That's really effective burst armor damage in my book. And the first reply I gave you asked you to take into consideration specificly the burst armor damage potential, with AP rounds.
Funny you use that quote on yourself.

[himegoto]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...
You sound so much like a child.
Reported for continually abusive behavior.

*call someone a child, reports them for abuse behavior*

Whaaaaat?

You can be his buddy but I'd advise not.
Look at his posts in the thread and decide for yourself. Does he sound like a child or no.

[Shadow of Terror]

himegoto wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...
You sound so much like a child.
Reported for continually abusive behavior.

*call someone a child, reports them for abuse behavior*

Whaaaaat?

You can be his buddy but I'd advise not.
Look at his posts in the thread and decide for yourself. Does he sound like a child or no.

I'm not being his buddy, I'm pointing out the flaw with what you said.

Report him for abusive behavior, post telling him that you're reporting, but don't call him a child when you do it.

I'm not saying you calling him a child makes him look better, but it lowers you down a level too.

[himegoto]

GohanOwns wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...
You sound so much like a child.
Reported for continually abusive behavior.

*call someone a child, reports them for abuse behavior*

Whaaaaat?

You can be his buddy but I'd advise not.
Look at his posts in the thread and decide for yourself. Does he sound like a child or no.

I'd like to know how many people in this thread agree with YOU..

Let's count.. 1,2,3.. oh wait! none at ALL..

haha, you just validated yourself. Congrats.

I didn't set my goal to get everyone to agree with me making this tier list. Nor to please anyone.
It's about my final thoughts about the game regarding all the kits on Gold. I made that part clear in the first 2 lines of the thread.

But when people actually read throught the posts in this thread many can spot a few obvious trolls.
Also those who comment in me overly using the Reegar. Let's just be real for a second and click into the builds in the thread, or even builds topics I made months ago in my sig. How often do you see the Reegar?
I do use it on my Batguard and Valk and Krosol. But everyone who play with me knows I seldom use those kits, and I like to switch my choices up.

I also received 5 stars on this thread? Kind of counter intuitive to me seeing the amount of trolls that are in this thread. I guess some people might have find this list or the builds to be good but don't want to get caught up in the pointless flame war.

[himegoto]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...
You sound so much like a child.
Reported for continually abusive behavior.

*call someone a child, reports them for abuse behavior*

Whaaaaat?

You can be his buddy but I'd advise not.
Look at his posts in the thread and decide for yourself. Does he sound like a child or no.

I'm not being his buddy, I'm pointing out the flaw with what you said.

Report him for abusive behavior, post telling him that you're reporting, but don't call him a child when you do it.

I'm not saying you calling him a child makes him look better, but it lowers you down a level too.

My bad.
Truth is I don't have any respect for the guy. I try to reason and discuss with him but his replies are only vulgar and abusive.
To my defense I didn't call him a child. I only said he sounds one from how he chose to make his replies. Which he does.

[Shadow of Terror]

himegoto wrote...
Look at this reply I made to him, with reasons on the Krosol. I politely asked him to try it first before further commenting.

And look at his reply back, neglecting the Krosol completely and jumping the discussion to a fitness QMI and assuming it's faulty. A brief explanation to the QMI's full fitness is most of the time you should be busy killing and nading. Who have time for tac scan?
Maybe in a long hallway in a boss spawn platinum game. This is a gold tier. And I am evaluating sustained benefit over a situational weapon boost.

I honestly prefer a Full fitness/Melee KroSol, but I can see why someone would prefer maxed carnage for super fire explosions.

Now, from the sounds of his post, he hadn't read your reply yet, and had been reading your builds instead. He obviously feels fitness isn't needed on a lot of classes, especially when it come to the QMI who in his opnion, can easily avoid damage with TC, and where points are better spent on the 10% damage bonus.

The only bad thing he said to you was that your KroSol build was embarrassing. Wrong of him to do that, but in return... You've told him he needs to "learn2play", said the concept of full fitness is "too hard" for him to understand, and finished it off by saying he's a lesser player for not having as good a manifest as you. You're the one being a jerk here.

Lastly, when it comes to the QMI, on gold, the Tac Scan is very important, you obviously must see some use in it or you wouldn't put 4 points into it. On gold, with average gear (even good gear, but still), you're not going to melt boss enemies anywhere as quick as you can mooks, and the tac scan provides the enemy lit up, easy to follow, and taking 32.5% extra damage from all sources, meaning that if you're playing with crappy pugs and need a boss gone quickly, you'll take the split second it takes to tac scan (which you can do behind cover), so that your team can focus fire and melt that boss with the huge damage increase.

With the QMI, TC means you can avoid using maxed fitness, and the best debuff power in the game is nothing to just ignore. I mean, if you won't skip 10% weapon damage for yourself, why would you skip 10% of all damage for your entire team (plus bonus slow)?

Modifié par Shadow of Terror, 04 avril 2013 - 09:46 .

[himegoto]

GohanOwns wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...
You sound so much like a child.
Reported for continually abusive behavior.

*call someone a child, reports them for abuse behavior*

Whaaaaat?

You can be his buddy but I'd advise not.
Look at his posts in the thread and decide for yourself. Does he sound like a child or no.

I'm not being his buddy, I'm pointing out the flaw with what you said.

Report him for abusive behavior, post telling him that you're reporting, but don't call him a child when you do it.

I'm not saying you calling him a child makes him look better, but it lowers you down a level too.

My bad.
Truth is I don't have any respect for the guy. I try to reason and discuss with him but his replies are only vulgar and abusive.
To my defense I didn't call him a child. I only said he sounds one from how he chose to make his replies. Which he does.

hah, such a liar. You were the one who started using the F word on origin chat and calling me kid and grow up and what not.

And here you are telling people to learn to play and insulting them.

Seems legit.

That's true. And I swear a lot in game too. None of the other guys have a problem with it because we all understand sarcasm and like to have fun.
It's sad you have such a big ego and had to take things personal. I hope PUGs are still fun for you.

[ThatOddGuy]

As big of a douche as Himegoto is being, I'll agree with him that people are too quick to crap on the Human Infiltrator. If you get good with stickies, you really can blow bosses to high-hell very quickly.

For Cryo-Blast, I just cloak -> cryo -> shoot. If it's a boss, I don't care too much if the debuff hits a second later... whatever... small enemies, Cryo Blast is good for stagger. I played a no-fitness build with a CSR and had good success with it. Obviously all the other infiltrators are just better... but Stickies qualify as a Niche power for me, which in my books makes the kit worthy. And the fact that it has Tactical Cloak most certainly does automatically put it into Tier 2.


As for your Full Fitness/My Manifest rant:
Still not in favor. You can crap on my manifest all you want, but I couldn't really care less about how you feel about the fact that I don't spend real money on packs, or every waking moment of my life playing the game. I've also never missile glitched, box of shamed, or even been in a match where someone else was doing it aside from a couple gold matches. I don't play Platinum because I just find Gold more fun.

With sufficient use of soft cover, intelligent usage of powers, and well-placed shots, I really don't feel like certain kits benefit from fitness when compared to their potential otherwise. Krogan Soldier is all about fire explosions and Inferno Grenade DPS. 3 points in Carnage is a joke.

QMI is beyond retarded. If you ever think you need full fitness on an infiltrator, you immediately kill your credibility when you tell me to "learn to play". Some fitness, sure. Whatever. I put 4 points in TC because I wont be using him with a sniper. 4 points into fitness is good enough. Sacrificing good abilities for 2 ranks in fitness is stupid. You want to survive? Take area scan, which incidentally lets you find more enemies to kill, too...


Overall, you have no ability to take any sort of criticism, constructive or not. You are stubborn, and you act like a fool whenever you reply to anybody. People would respond to you better if you smartened up. I don't care where your manifest stands, or what your play style is. Some of the choices you make are just silly.

You also mention that you tried to put each kit into its most effective form... then I see examples like the Asari Vanguard as a sniper. Sorry, but that is far from the most useful way to play that kit...

If your answer to everything is Reegar, Acolyte, and Hurricane, it just seems a little juvenile when put alongside the rest of the ways in which you go about presenting this, and yourself.


Thanks for the lists. I like seeing build lists like these because I do like ideas. The criticism I give lies in the fact that some of these specs make no sense, and a person with your "expertise" should know how to do it right. I also think your tier list is way out of whack, and it starts to make me think that you did nothing but farm with god-mode classes to get your manifest to where it is today...

[himegoto]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...
Look at this reply I made to him, with reasons on the Krosol. I politely asked him to try it first before further commenting.

And look at his reply back, neglecting the Krosol completely and jumping the discussion to a fitness QMI and assuming it's faulty. A brief explanation to the QMI's full fitness is most of the time you should be busy killing and nading. Who have time for tac scan?
Maybe in a long hallway in a boss spawn platinum game. This is a gold tier. And I am evaluating sustained benefit over a situational weapon boost.

I honestly prefer a Full fitness/Melee KroSol, but I can see why someone would prefer maxed carnage for super fire explosions.

Now, from the sounds of his post, he hadn't read your reply yet, and had been reading your builds instead. He obviously feels fitness isn't needed on a lot of classes, especially when it come to the QMI who in his opnion, can easily avoid damage with TC, and where points are better spent on the 10% damage bonus.

The only bad thing he said to you was that your KroSol build was embarrassing. Wrong of him to do that, but in return... You've told him he needs to "learn2play", said the concept of full fitness is "too hard" for him to understand, and finished it off by saying he's a lesser player for not having as good a manifest as you. You're the one being a jerk here.

Lastly, when it comes to the QMI, on gold, the Tac Scan is very important, you obviously must see some use in it or you wouldn't put 4 points into it. On gold, with average gear (even good gear, but still), you're not going to melt boss enemies anywhere as quick as you can mooks, and the tac scan provides the enemy lit up, easy to follow, and taking 32.5% extra damage from all sources, meaning that if you're playing with crappy pugs and need a boss gone quickly, you'll take the split second it takes to tac scan (which you can do behind cover), so that your team can focus fire and melt that boss with the huge damage increase.

With the QMI, TC means you can avoid using maxed fitness, and the best debuff power in the game is nothing to just ignore. I mean, if you won't skip 10% weapon damage for yourself, why would you skip 10% of all damage for your entire team (plus bonus slow)?

You're assuming the best, that he hadn't read my reply when he made that post.
I only assumed that he did read it, after asking him nicely to consider / try the build before commenting on a full fitness Krosol but in return I see a one liner disapproval statement on a irrelevent kit.
Unlikely but if he really didn't see my reply, I'm sorry and welcome to continue the discussion as long as he is level headed.

I didn't look at his manifest. I recall him saying he only has a Wraith I.
I didn't know the game back then in this caliber when I had a semi maxed manifest. The more you play the more experience one gains and the more trial and error and the better your builds and skills become. That is the craft on developing any skills in real life. I can assume this to be the case as well for ME3. That he could be missing out on some key concepts that aren't in his grasp yet.

On my QME you can see me skipping tac scan completely. It has more to do with playstyle.
I don't ever have time to fumble on this power in a gold game. It's more usable against heaps of bosses so IMO better use in platinum as I mentioned.
Similar to the QMI, I do use it but only slightly ever.
I like the shields better on the QMI because it allows me to kill better, and rush for nades better, with adrenaline mod.

I remember taking area scan back when I was mostly PUGing. That was when there were no tac scan mine nor geth scanners.
But taking it or not has more to do with personal preference. Not a big case to cause a dispute on. I just wouldn't make a case out of it if I were thatoddguy. But I might if I see a full fitness GI or TGI or sexbot.


This game has less to do with completely avoiding incoming damage to me at this point. More to do with knowing a kit's limits and absusing that threshold - How many hits I can take VS how much damage I can deal out.
This is one of the key considerations of my tier list.

[ThatOddGuy]

Took another look at the QMI and saw a Hurricane. Okay, pretty weak... but wait, there's more:
RECOIL SYSTEM!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Just take power magnifier and be done with it, if you're foolish enough to bring a Hurricane in the first place.

...you do realize that Infiltrators laugh at cooldown time? What about the fact that QMI's other two powers are a Grenade, and Tactical Scan, which has the fastest cooldown in the game if you use it outside of cloak.

...all this about one kit ^ ... and how many kits are like this. Not taking Shrapnel on Cluster Grenade 6? What the hell I don't even... Jesus, at least you managed to spec Warp properly on your BroDept... too bad his Lancer has a Stability System on it, too... Can you seriously not keep your gun on target?

QME... doesn't pick Radius for Incinerate... by this point, I want to pull out my eyes. Wait, what Tier did you put him in again? THREE?? 

DEFINITELY MORE TO COME. I will now re-examine every one of your builds and criticize it.

Modifié par ThatOddGuy, 04 avril 2013 - 10:21 .

[Geist.H]

...you do realize that Infiltrators laugh at cooldown time? What about the fact that QMI's other two powers are a Grenade, and Tactical Scan, which has the fastest cooldown in the game if you use it outside of cloak.

...all this about one kit ^ ... and how many kits are like this. Not taking Shrapnel on Cluster Grenade 6? What the hell I don't even... Jesus, at least you managed to spec Warp properly on your BroDept... too bad his Lancer has a Stability System on it, too... Can you seriously not keep your gun on target?

QME... doesn't pick Radius for Incinerate... by this point, I want to pull out my eyes. Wait, what Tier did you put him in again? THREE??

DEFINITELY MORE TO COME. I will now re-examine every one of your builds and criticize it.

This doesn't start well indeed.

[ThatOddGuy]

And no, I didn't see your KroSol Fitness explanation when I made the following post. So you assumed wrong.

[Shadow of Terror]

himegoto wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

himegoto wrote...
Look at this reply I made to him, with reasons on the Krosol. I politely asked him to try it first before further commenting.

And look at his reply back, neglecting the Krosol completely and jumping the discussion to a fitness QMI and assuming it's faulty. A brief explanation to the QMI's full fitness is most of the time you should be busy killing and nading. Who have time for tac scan?
Maybe in a long hallway in a boss spawn platinum game. This is a gold tier. And I am evaluating sustained benefit over a situational weapon boost.

I honestly prefer a Full fitness/Melee KroSol, but I can see why someone would prefer maxed carnage for super fire explosions.

Now, from the sounds of his post, he hadn't read your reply yet, and had been reading your builds instead. He obviously feels fitness isn't needed on a lot of classes, especially when it come to the QMI who in his opnion, can easily avoid damage with TC, and where points are better spent on the 10% damage bonus.

The only bad thing he said to you was that your KroSol build was embarrassing. Wrong of him to do that, but in return... You've told him he needs to "learn2play", said the concept of full fitness is "too hard" for him to understand, and finished it off by saying he's a lesser player for not having as good a manifest as you. You're the one being a jerk here.

Lastly, when it comes to the QMI, on gold, the Tac Scan is very important, you obviously must see some use in it or you wouldn't put 4 points into it. On gold, with average gear (even good gear, but still), you're not going to melt boss enemies anywhere as quick as you can mooks, and the tac scan provides the enemy lit up, easy to follow, and taking 32.5% extra damage from all sources, meaning that if you're playing with crappy pugs and need a boss gone quickly, you'll take the split second it takes to tac scan (which you can do behind cover), so that your team can focus fire and melt that boss with the huge damage increase.

With the QMI, TC means you can avoid using maxed fitness, and the best debuff power in the game is nothing to just ignore. I mean, if you won't skip 10% weapon damage for yourself, why would you skip 10% of all damage for your entire team (plus bonus slow)?

You're assuming the best, that he hadn't read my reply when he made that post.
I only assumed that he did read it, after asking him nicely to consider / try the build before commenting on a full fitness Krosol but in return I see a one liner disapproval statement on a irrelevent kit.
Unlikely but if he really didn't see my reply, I'm sorry and welcome to continue the discussion as long as he is level headed.

I didn't look at his manifest. I recall him saying he only has a Wraith I.
I didn't know the game back then in this caliber when I had a semi maxed manifest. The more you play the more experience one gains and the more trial and error and the better your builds and skills become. That is the craft on developing any skills in real life. I can assume this to be the case as well for ME3. That he could be missing out on some key concepts that aren't in his grasp yet.

On my QME you can see me skipping tac scan completely. It has more to do with playstyle.
I don't ever have time to fumble on this power in a gold game. It's more usable against heaps of bosses so IMO better use in platinum as I mentioned.
Similar to the QMI, I do use it but only slightly ever.
I like the shields better on the QMI because it allows me to kill better, and rush for nades better, with adrenaline mod.

I remember taking area scan back when I was mostly PUGing. That was when there were no tac scan mine nor geth scanners.
But taking it or not has more to do with personal preference. Not a big case to cause a dispute on. I just wouldn't make a case out of it if I were thatoddguy. But I might if I see a full fitness GI or TGI or sexbot.


This game has less to do with completely avoiding incoming damage to me at this point. More to do with knowing a kit's limits and absusing that threshold - How many hits I can take VS how much damage I can deal out.
This is one of the key considerations of my tier list.

Where is the fumbling in using Tac Scan? It takes no time as all and can be used behind cover. On your how may hits can you take vs how much damage you can take, you'll be dealing far more damage with a 32.5% damage increase, and thus you'll be able to either kill the bigger enemy quicker before they can reduce your shield more, or increase the damage you did before you had to hide to restore you shields. Even if just comparing that 10% damage difference, 10% for your whole team will do a lot more than a bit of shield, that doesn't make differences to atlas/ravenger/scion shots, while everything smaller should be killed/staggered by arc grenades anyway. You can run for nades using Tac Cloak far better than you can with higher fitness, and when you include right hand advantage, skipping Tac Scan (even the 10%) seems even more pointless.

I don't advocate taking area scan, ever. It shows you where the enemies are so briefly, when a good player should know by guessing the spawns, and it's inferior to 10% team damage boost.

Even if he did read your reply about the KroSol, you said "Try it, then comment on my build again.", he didn't comment on your KroSol build (as you asked), but on the QMI. You said build, not builds, so it's fair game to comment on the rest.

It still doesn't explain why you threw 3 insults directly at him for the 1 insulting your build.

[himegoto]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

As big of a douche as Himegoto is being, I'll agree with him that people are too quick to crap on the Human Infiltrator. If you get good with stickies, you really can blow bosses to high-hell very quickly.

For Cryo-Blast, I just cloak -> cryo -> shoot. If it's a boss, I don't care too much if the debuff hits a second later... whatever... small enemies, Cryo Blast is good for stagger. I played a no-fitness build with a CSR and had good success with it. Obviously all the other infiltrators are just better... but Stickies qualify as a Niche power for me, which in my books makes the kit worthy. And the fact that it has Tactical Cloak most certainly does automatically put it into Tier 2.


As for your Full Fitness/My Manifest rant:
Still not in favor. You can crap on my manifest all you want, but I couldn't really care less about how you feel about the fact that I don't spend real money on packs, or every waking moment of my life playing the game. I've also never missile glitched, box of shamed, or even been in a match where someone else was doing it aside from a couple gold matches. I don't play Platinum because I just find Gold more fun.

With sufficient use of soft cover, intelligent usage of powers, and well-placed shots, I really don't feel like certain kits benefit from fitness when compared to their potential otherwise. Krogan Soldier is all about fire explosions and Inferno Grenade DPS. 3 points in Carnage is a joke.

QMI is beyond retarded. If you ever think you need full fitness on an infiltrator, you immediately kill your credibility when you tell me to "learn to play". Some fitness, sure. Whatever. I put 4 points in TC because I wont be using him with a sniper. 4 points into fitness is good enough. Sacrificing good abilities for 2 ranks in fitness is stupid. You want to survive? Take area scan, which incidentally lets you find more enemies to kill, too...


Overall, you have no ability to take any sort of criticism, constructive or not. You are stubborn, and you act like a fool whenever you reply to anybody. People would respond to you better if you smartened up. I don't care where your manifest stands, or what your play style is. Some of the choices you make are just silly.

You also mention that you tried to put each kit into its most effective form... then I see examples like the Asari Vanguard as a sniper. Sorry, but that is far from the most useful way to play that kit...

If your answer to everything is Reegar, Acolyte, and Hurricane, it just seems a little juvenile when put alongside the rest of the ways in which you go about presenting this, and yourself.


Thanks for the lists. I like seeing build lists like these because I do like ideas. The criticism I give lies in the fact that some of these specs make no sense, and a person with your "expertise" should know how to do it right. I also think your tier list is way out of whack, and it starts to make me think that you did nothing but farm with god-mode classes to get your manifest to where it is today...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

Took another look at the QMI and saw a Hurricane. Okay, pretty weak... but wait, there's more:
RECOIL
SYSTEM!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Just take power magnifier and be done
with it, if you're foolish enough to bring a Hurricane in the first
place.

...you do realize that Infiltrators laugh at cooldown
time? What about the fact that QMI's other two powers are a Grenade, and
Tactical Scan, which has the fastest cooldown in the game if you use it
outside of cloak.

...all this about one kit ^ ... and how many
kits are like this. Not taking Shrapnel on Cluster Grenade 6? What the
hell I don't even... Jesus, at least you managed to spec Warp properly
on your BroDept... too bad his Lancer has a Stability System on it,
too... Can you seriously not keep your gun on target?

QME...
doesn't pick Radius for Incinerate... by this point, I want to pull out
my eyes. Wait, what Tier did you put him in again? THREE?? 

DEFINITELY MORE TO COME. I will now re-examine every one of your builds and criticize it.

A lot of assumptions. You are clearly angry and mad. Pointless for me to try to have a level headed conversation with you.
Definitely do re-examine every one of my builds and criticize it if you must.