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[LegionofRannoch]

Paynez wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

XPERIA_Z wrote...

@OP: Yeah. It does man, and it requires a better communication... no mic = seppuku. and oh.. good dancing skill you got there btw. :D:D

LMAO!! You are awesome girl;)

He's a guy

/awkies

trolololol

#yolo #swag

[JewelsWinnfield]

If you have two teams with the exact same loadout, strategy and objectives, but unequal skill, I think it's pretty clear who gets the better time.

There are so many little mistakes you can make during a speedrun, like shooting a rocket half a second too early, getting to your position one second too late or choosing the wrong way for the pizza. If a Phantom escapes and gets to your position, you have to kill it quickly without leaving the spawn you're currently blocking. All those little things will completely mess up your final time if you're going for a record.

[Caineghis2500]

Slimjim0725 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

Slimjim0725 wrote...

A solo isn't all that hard either TBH, all it takes is patience to kite enemies. Formulating and improving strategies for speedruns take skill and a team only goes as far as its weakest link. If you have someone with a small amount of missiles, low level weapons, etc. they aren't going to be able to be much help in a speedrun. That same player could go into Platinum and solo it assuming they know the spawns and have the patience to kite.

I don't think Armored Compartments speedruns take a ton of skill (until you are going for record times), but no missile speedruns or even non Armored Compartments speedruns do (since you have to adjust on the fly and can't rely on missiles as much).

Try kiting on glacier on plat solo. You'll see how much skills you really have

Where did I say I had skill there? Sorry, but I don't have the patience to solo (I did enough for my banner back when challenges came out and it bored the heck out of me). When I play a co-op game, I am doing that to play with others.

Anyways, I know you have always disliked speedruns and that is fine by me. I personally dislike a solo and of the ones that I have done it really wasn't all that hard either. You telling me to solo Glacier is like me telling you to get a sub 11 minute Rio Platinum game. Can either of us do it? Probably. My guess is that neither of us have interest in doing what the other would enjoy, the difference is that I am not going to make a thread on BSN asking if doing a solo takes any skill. 

I never said I disliked speed runs. I actually like it. I just dont run them often thats all. You are right about kiting on solos.... Well maybe the bigger maps. Small maps like glacier is ... Different you see??

[tevix]

Am I the only one that can consistantly do well in platinum in a group but can't solo past bronze?

I suck....

[Caineghis2500]

LegionofRannoch wrote...

Paynez wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

XPERIA_Z wrote...

@OP: Yeah. It does man, and it requires a better communication... no mic = seppuku. and oh.. good dancing skill you got there btw. :D:D

LMAO!! You are awesome girl;)

He's a guy

/awkies

trolololol

#yolo #swag

A guy??:sick::sick:

[LuckyBullet95]

megabeast37215 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

chipsandwich wrote...

Smarts, patience and communication.

Not so much l33t quickscopes or whatever.

Although I'm starting to care less for rocket runs tbh. sub8 group hasn't done very many no rocket runs and I'd rather play PUGs.

So a noob can learn to speed run effectively with just a few games??

Yup.

This was proven when people were speed-farming before Reckoning (I know... I taught several lobbies full of them). If you can follow instructions and be self-less... you can speedrun. Epeeners struggle with it more than n00bs IMO.

Developing the speed-run strategy takes skill and know-how... executing it is pretty simple.

The same could be said for soloing. Executing the Giant Kite Strat, simple test of patience. Kiting on Glacier, Jade or Goddess... not for the faint hearted...

[Geist.H]

I do think that If all the die-hard speedrunners started to focus on "vanilla" speedruns on whatevermap and without missiles, just trying to get things done ASAP. The emphasize on their actual gaming skill would be much greater and speedrunning much more interesting for a broader audience than it currently is.

If you have two teams with the exact same loadout, strategy and
objectives, but unequal skill, I think it's pretty clear who gets the
better time.

There are so many little mistakes you can make
during a speedrun, like shooting a rocket half a second too early,
getting to your position one second too late or choosing the wrong way
for the pizza. If a Phantom escapes and gets to your position, you have
to kill it quickly without leaving the spawn you're currently blocking.
All those little things will completely mess up your final time if
you're going for a record.

Speed runs require nothing but fore-knowledge. Anyone that knows the
strategy and follows the rules can do it. "Skill" never really even
comes into play.

That's right, maybe the thread should have been named "Does competitive speedrunning/attempting to establish a speedrunning record takes skill"

I believe the answers, at least mines, would have been completely different.

Modifié par Geist.H, 04 avril 2013 - 09:59 .

[Tokenusername]

Speed runs require nothing but fore-knowledge. Anyone that knows the strategy and follows the rules can do it. "Skill" never really even comes into play.

[d_nought]

Geist.H wrote...

I do think that If all the die-hard speedrunners started to focus on "vanilla" speedruns on whatevermap and without missiles, just trying to get things done ASAP. The emphasize on their actual gaming skill would be much greater and speedrunning much more interesting for a broader audience than it currently is.

Hey, I tried to steer them in that direction, but let's face it, nobody actually watches no rocket runs. It's pretty much just "FASTEST EVER SPEEDRUN EVER" which gets all the views.

The Valiant link in my sig is pretty much all we've done so far, but even though it's the fastest no rocket run ever it still has about 20% of the views of the vid of the previous Glacier record, and that was just my POV too. I want to do Condor or London though.

Modifié par chipsandwich, 04 avril 2013 - 10:00 .

[XPERIA_Z]

caineghis2500 wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

Paynez wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

XPERIA_Z wrote...

@OP: Yeah. It does man, and it requires a better communication... no mic = seppuku. and oh.. good dancing skill you got there btw. :D:D

LMAO!! You are awesome girl;)

He's a guy

/awkies

trolololol

#yolo #swag

A guy??:sick::sick:

Dude you got a lot of gerls thinking I am too. :D:D:D:D:D COMMIT SEPPUKU NAO!
This is me and my SUPER KOREAN MODEL GIRLFRIEND YO!



IM SHY... VERY SHY... LOLOLOLOL

#yoloswagtr;ld

[LuckyBullet95]

chipsandwich wrote...

Geist.H wrote...

I do think that If all the die-hard speedrunners started to focus on "vanilla" speedruns on whatevermap and without missiles, just trying to get things done ASAP. The emphasize on their actual gaming skill would be much greater and speedrunning much more interesting for a broader audience than it currently is.

Hey, I tried to steer them in that direction, but let's face it, nobody actually watches no rocket runs. It's pretty much just "FASTEST EVER SPEEDRUN EVER" which gets all the views.

The Valiant link in my sig is pretty much all we've done so far, but even though it's the fastest no rocket run ever it still has about 20% of the views of the vid of the previous Glacier record, and that was just my POV too. I want to do Condor or London though.

Sadly true, a while Tatty decided to speedrun on every map just to do it, we got sub-14 on every map (14.20 on Rio) before Armoured Compartments on Gold. (though every strategy could be taken to Platinum, but who the hell wants to do a Platinum Rio Speedrun?). I don't think that thread even went past a page long, ah well we had fun doing it.

[cgj]

speed running doesn't take much skill on this game
nor does soloing, but soloing requires at least some luck... some 1,2,3,4/map/faction are near impossible solo because of how the game is designed

[Cricketer15]

chipsandwich wrote...

Geist.H wrote...

I do think that If all the die-hard speedrunners started to focus on "vanilla" speedruns on whatevermap and without missiles, just trying to get things done ASAP. The emphasize on their actual gaming skill would be much greater and speedrunning much more interesting for a broader audience than it currently is.

Hey, I tried to steer them in that direction, but let's face it, nobody actually watches no rocket runs. It's pretty much just "FASTEST EVER SPEEDRUN EVER" which gets all the views.

The Valiant link in my sig is pretty much all we've done so far, but even though it's the fastest no rocket run ever it still has about 20% of the views of the vid of the previous Glacier record, and that was just my POV too. I want to do Condor or London though.

lol yeah on our fastest rocket run ever we got 15 pages replies, on our fastest non rocket run ever we only got like 3 page worth of replies. also that 12:50 should hve been sub 12 if it wasnt for that dreadful failed cant pick up pizza. when we get xbox time back probs should go back to some no rockets run.

[d_nought]

We can do both at the same time. We still did Jades when we were trying for our first sub 8

[Geist.H]

Sadly true, a while Tatty decided to speedrun on every map just to do it, we got sub-14 on every map (14.20 on Rio) before Armoured Compartments on Gold. (though every strategy could be taken to Platinum, but who the hell wants to do a Platinum Rio Speedrun?). I don't think that thread even went past a page long, ah well we had fun doing it.

Damn shameful. Now I feel bad for believing it was you guys own decision to shift towards rocket runs. But with all the hate rocketrunning gets lately, maybe it could be worthwhile to try again ? I can't be alone to wish for such a thing to happen.

Maybe a dynamic could be created if several, cross platform teams tried to do so ?

Modifié par Geist.H, 04 avril 2013 - 10:12 .

[LuckyBullet95]

Geist.H wrote...

Sadly true, a while Tatty decided to speedrun on every map just to do it, we got sub-14 on every map (14.20 on Rio) before Armoured Compartments on Gold. (though every strategy could be taken to Platinum, but who the hell wants to do a Platinum Rio Speedrun?). I don't think that thread even went past a page long, ah well we had fun doing it.

Damn shameful. Now I feel bad for believing it was you guys own decision to shift towards rocket runs. But with all the hate rocketrunning gets lately, maybe it could be worthwhile to try again ? I can't be alone to wish for such a thing to happen.

Maybe a dynamic could be created if several, cross platform teams tried to do so ?

Like D_Nought said most people could give a **** about speedrun variety if it isn't a record. Besides that Tatty and I rarely play with too many people anymore (silly timezones).  Maybe if Heroic and Slim stopped having jobs and started wanting to speedrun (heh...) I'd rather focus on getting BotB (I'd have done it a while back but I couldn't be arsed) then waste time grinding objectives and running low on consumables to improve on those times in the event that this cess pit actually cares.

[d_nought]

Well, we are planning another one right now, but we gotta get scheduling and all that. We've got myself, chan and cricketer as per normal, we just gotta find a fourth who can handle it and is on at a good time. Feneckus seems to have quit forever and bacon4breakfast is never on at the same time as all of us. Hendrix137 (ExileGamez) knows how to handle a Javelin but doesn't have a mic and lag could be an issue.

Basically, I don't care anymore if no-one is going to watch it. We need to live up to the #yolo hashtag spam in our group a bit more often.

Modifié par chipsandwich, 04 avril 2013 - 10:46 .

[XPERIA_Z]

Flaming Snake wrote...

Paynez wrote...

Flaming Snake wrote...

Paynez wrote...

tevix wrote...

Am I the only one that can consistantly do well in platinum in a group but can't solo past bronze?

I suck....

Snake can't

Or did you finally solo bronze snake?

Hey, I soloed tin.

I bet you can't.

Even cassandra saturn can solo bronze.

For shame snake

FINE, if you really need proof, look up my Origin ID:

Red-John1270

lolololol. here we go:D:D:D:D:D