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[TattyUD]

Geist.H wrote...

Sadly true, a while Tatty decided to speedrun on every map just to do it, we got sub-14 on every map (14.20 on Rio) before Armoured Compartments on Gold. (though every strategy could be taken to Platinum, but who the hell wants to do a Platinum Rio Speedrun?). I don't think that thread even went past a page long, ah well we had fun doing it.

Damn shameful. Now I feel bad for believing it was you guys own decision to shift towards rocket runs. But with all the hate rocketrunning gets lately, maybe it could be worthwhile to try again ? I can't be alone to wish for such a thing to happen.

Maybe a dynamic could be created if several, cross platform teams tried to do so ?

I find AC speedruns to be tedious, I like to be in thick of the action at point blank range laying waste to anything and everything.  As such the 'trash' waves on non-AC compartment runs were always my favourite parts.  I feel that in the 'good old days' speedruns were a good and fun test of my all-round skill, but that isn't the case so much now.

The skill-ceiling for speedruns has definitely dropped since the addition of AC and the extra rocket, the time gaps between the best teams and average teams has dropped significantly.  However the fastest times are always going to be achieved by the best players, as long as they're prepared to grind for ideal objectives.

Team AreleX has had a couple of speedrun tournaments.  The last one was after the introduction of AC and most of the challenges didn't allow their use, I know Bechter is looking at running another tournament and having PC and PS3 players involved as well so maybe thats the opportunity to see some non-AC runs.

[JewelsWinnfield]

chipsandwich wrote...

Hendrix137 (ExileGamez) knows how to handle a Javelin but doesn't have a mic and lag could be an issue.

I actually have a PC mic but it's ancient and people can only hear half of what I'm saying. Skype on my smartphone works perfectly however...

[Deerber]

Rocket-runs, some... Not much to be honest.

Non-rocket runs yes, a lot.

[SilentBacon]

Alright, those that claim it takes no skill, answer me this- what does take skill in this game?
Is it solos? Kiting enemies around for up to an hour and running away half the game. Right.
Is it playing platinum with or pugs or randoms? Half your teammates probably go down here and there...and you spend time running around if away when it's messy, also taking at least 20 mins depending to possibly finish a game, most pug games will not even extract. Ok.
Is it learning a burnt out strategy for speed running and doing it in a decent time, say >15 mins? Ill bet that was fun, how many waves or tries did it take before you didn't spend half the time on the floor or ending up running and kiting cuz you don't know how to handle a spawn. Sure.
It must be solos with ridiculous load outs, oh yeah. Even then, same as a regular solo just longer time spent running around.
Or, Is it ending the game where everyone has medi gels and it was less than 10 mins....No, who am I kidding that's not possible.

But, then again trying to enlighten most on a forum is time wasted. Whats that one quote. those that cant do something they want to tell you cant do it. And then if you do, people get upset and angry and what's do most resort to?, oh that doesn't take any skill. There is a difference in someone that did that speed run thing, failed a few times. Finally got a decent time 10-15mins and feels like that's the best. And those that actually achieve less than 10, less than 8 even. But, I guess those speed runners wouldn't have a clue how to handle a solo...or a regular platinum game, they have no idea how to handle enemy types quickly even when not missling them.
So, again refer to my first line, answer my question.

[Cricketer15]

SilentBacon wrote...

Alright, those that claim it takes no skill, answer me this- what does take skill in this game?
Is it solos? Kiting enemies around for up to an hour and running away half the game. Right.
Is it playing platinum with or pugs or randoms? Half your teammates probably go down here and there...and you spend time running around if away when it's messy, also taking at least 20 mins depending to possibly finish a game, most pug games will not even extract. Ok.
Is it learning a burnt out strategy for speed running and doing it in a decent time, say >15 mins? Ill bet that was fun, how many waves or tries did it take before you didn't spend half the time on the floor or ending up running and kiting cuz you don't know how to handle a spawn. Sure.
It must be solos with ridiculous load outs, oh yeah. Even then, same as a regular solo just longer time spent running around.
Or, Is it ending the game where everyone has medi gels and it was less than 10 mins....No, who am I kidding that's not possible.

But, then again trying to enlighten most on a forum is time wasted. Whats that one quote. those that cant do something they want to tell you cant do it. And then if you do, people get upset and angry and what's do most resort to?, oh that doesn't take any skill. There is a difference in someone that did that speed run thing, failed a few times. Finally got a decent time 10-15mins and feels like that's the best. And those that actually achieve less than 10, less than 8 even. But, I guess those speed runners wouldn't have a clue how to handle a solo...or a regular platinum game, they have no idea how to handle enemy types quickly even when not missling them.
So, again refer to my first line, answer my question.

paynezz says ~neju neju is the quote

[cronshaw]

If you can't handle yourself in gold you can't speed run platnium.
It is still platnium and you don't use missles on objective waves
A bad player is a liability

[Leland Gaunt]

Maybe not as much as constant (more or less) hidden self-promotion.

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 04 avril 2013 - 12:15 .

[DaveT]

lightswitch wrote...

Anyone can speed run and get ten minute times fairly consistently. But if you want sub 9 or even sub 8 times seems like you're going to need a good manifest, use appropriate builds, and practice/grind quite a bit.

This sounds like running 5Ks.

[NuclearTech76]

Deerber wrote...

Rocket-runs, some... Not much to be honest.

Non-rocket runs yes, a lot.

I would say the skill involved in rocket runs is the initial planning then it comes down to repetition and execution.

[NAVIHEYLISTEN]

It used to when it was 5 rockets a piece now it's just everyone stand still and rocket 1 or 2 spawns till extraction. Armoured compartments wasn't a good idea and now 9 WTF ruined speed runs for me at least.. GOOD THREAD STAMP.

[lightswitch]

DaveT wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Anyone can speed run and get ten minute times fairly consistently. But if you want sub 9 or even sub 8 times seems like you're going to need a good manifest, use appropriate builds, and practice/grind quite a bit.

This sounds like running 5Ks.

Yeah. Exactly.

[GallowsPole]

NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

It used to when it was 5 rockets a piece now it's just everyone stand still and rocket 1 or 2 spawns till extraction. Armoured compartments wasn't a good idea and now 9 WTF ruined speed runs for me at least.. GOOD THREAD STAMP.

Dont forget grenade gear!

[Das Rouse]

Folks need to realize, objectives are key. If you get 3 hacks in a row, I am sure that will take longer than 3 devices objectives in a game or assassination objectives. Escorts can be short, but that depends on the map. I think Jade has for the most part, short escort paths compared to let's say London. Any team can get good times, great times are based on good objectives.

[lightswitch]

SilentBacon wrote...

*snip*

 And those that actually achieve less than 10, less than 8 even. But, I guess those speed runners wouldn't have a clue how to handle a solo...or a regular platinum game, they have no idea how to handle enemy types quickly even when not missling them.

*snip*

Let's say you're playing wave 6 objective on platinum, and you get an escort. As luck would have it, the drone path takes you straight through a double spawn. That's right, all eight enemies in one spot, drone wants to go straight through the middle.

Can you get the drone through without missiling? Because I can. Any good speed runner should know how. Not only that, but I can do it with a Drell. I'm not even particularly good at rocket runs.

Or here's another example. Wave 10, still plat, targets. Can you do it without missiles and not wasting any time killing any other enemies? Can you do it fast? Because any speed runner who takes clear times seriously has learned how.

How about a wave 10 hack? No missiles, no leaving the hack circle for more than a couple seconds at a time and only if absolutely necessary. Can you do that?

Cuz a speed runner can.

Modifié par lightswitch, 04 avril 2013 - 12:54 .

[Disciple888]

@OP - *dap*

death to speed running scum

[JewelsWinnfield]

lightswitch wrote...

Let's say you're playing wave 6 objective on platinum, and you get an escort. As luck would have it, the drone path takes you straight through a double spawn. That's right, all eight enemies in one spot, drone wants to go straight through the middle.

Can you get the drone through without missiling? Because I
can. Any good speed runner should know how. Not only that, but I can do
it with a Drell. I'm not even particularly good at rocket runs.

Ops Pack spam.

lightswitch wrote...

Or here's another example. Wave 10, still plat, targets. Can you do it without missiles and not wasting any time killing any other enemies? Can you do it fast? Because any speed runner who takes clear times seriously has learned how.

Thermal Clip Packs spam.

Amirite? 

[mackfactor]

megabeast37215 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

chipsandwich wrote...

Smarts, patience and communication.

Not so much l33t quickscopes or whatever.

Although I'm starting to care less for rocket runs tbh. sub8 group hasn't done very many no rocket runs and I'd rather play PUGs.

So a noob can learn to speed run effectively with just a few games??

Yup.

This was proven when people were speed-farming before Reckoning (I know... I taught several lobbies full of them). If you can follow instructions and be self-less... you can speedrun. Epeeners struggle with it more than n00bs IMO.

Developing the speed-run strategy takes skill and know-how... executing it is pretty simple.

This. The rocket running strategies take some smarts and understanding of the game to develop, but the strategies take almost no skill to execute.

[Deerber]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Rocket-runs, some... Not much to be honest.

Non-rocket runs yes, a lot.

I would say the skill involved in rocket runs is the initial planning then it comes down to repetition and execution.

Pretty much.

[Maurader Sackboy]

lightswitch wrote...
Let's say you're playing wave 6 objective on platinum, and you get an escort  ... Can you get the drone through [8 bosses] without missiling?

... Wave 10, still plat, targets. Can you do it without missiles ..? Can you do it fast?

How about a wave 10 hack? No missiles ...  Can you do that?

I certainly recognize the mad skillz I see in those speed-run videos.  Wish you would provide answers to the questions you raised above!

I play regular [non-speedy] matches with some good players and pugs.  Just wish that there was greater coordination so we had better control of the spawns and things would go faster. 

[LuckyBullet95]

lightswitch wrote...

SilentBacon wrote...

*snip*

 And those that actually achieve less than 10, less than 8 even. But, I guess those speed runners wouldn't have a clue how to handle a solo...or a regular platinum game, they have no idea how to handle enemy types quickly even when not missling them.

*snip*

Let's say you're playing wave 6 objective on platinum, and you get an escort. As luck would have it, the drone path takes you straight through a double spawn. That's right, all eight enemies in one spot, drone wants to go straight through the middle.

Can you get the drone through without missiling? Because I can. Any good speed runner should know how. Not only that, but I can do it with a Drell. I'm not even particularly good at rocket runs.

Or here's another example. Wave 10, still plat, targets. Can you do it without missiles and not wasting any time killing any other enemies? Can you do it fast? Because any speed runner who takes clear times seriously has learned how.

How about a wave 10 hack? No missiles, no leaving the hack circle for more than a couple seconds at a time and only if absolutely necessary. Can you do that?

Cuz a speed runner can.

I believe the soloist would keep circling round the map and the Plat PUGer would bleed out ****ing and moaning about how bad his team was.

[Credit2team]

no
speed running only has one purpose, to earn credits quickly forsaking all fun.
/thread

[lightswitch]

Hendrix137 wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Let's say you're playing wave 6 objective on platinum, and you get an escort. As luck would have it, the drone path takes you straight through a double spawn. That's right, all eight enemies in one spot, drone wants to go straight through the middle.

Can you get the drone through without missiling? Because I
can. Any good speed runner should know how. Not only that, but I can do
it with a Drell. I'm not even particularly good at rocket runs.

Ops Pack spam.

lightswitch wrote...

Or here's another example. Wave 10, still plat, targets. Can you do it without missiles and not wasting any time killing any other enemies? Can you do it fast? Because any speed runner who takes clear times seriously has learned how.

Thermal Clip Packs spam.

Amirite? 

Nah, it's just knowing how to move so you don't get killed, even if you're in close proximity to the enemy. I mean sure, you might use an ops pack or two, but that's not going to save you if you don't know what you're doing.

I've only ever used thermal clip packs on a target once because there were only two of us left standing. Maybe not a bad idea though if you get 'em to spare.

I'm not a great speed runner, so not saying I'm particularly skilled myself, but I think I've done enough of it to understand what it takes to get fast times. And you can't get sub 8 unless you really, really know what you're doing. I mean based on what Cricketer said you could probably count the total number of sub 8 speed runs ever on one hand, but there's people coming in here saying sub 8 takes no skill...yeah, okay.

I've been a part of plenty rocket runs where the objectives were good and the spawns weren't even splitting too bad, but very few only one of them even went sub 9.

Modifié par lightswitch, 04 avril 2013 - 01:25 .

[ISHYGDDT]

Nothing in this game takes a large amount of skill. Speedrunning takes teamwork. Soloing takes patience. Using either as viagra for your epeen is pretty  ****ing lame.

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 04 avril 2013 - 01:25 .