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Sylvius the Mad wrote...
..., but I still think corpses can be more affecting set decorations if they are naked. Again, I point to Cailan in Ostagar, and the heaps of bodies in Fort Drakon.....
Not more realistic. More moving. Nude corpses lack the dignity of clothed corpses.Chris Priestly wrote...
To each their own kink. I don't judge. If you need to see naked dead people to think something is more realistic I wish you well in your career as an amatuer coroner.
Chris Priestly wrote...
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
..., but I still think corpses can be more affecting set decorations if they are naked. Again, I point to Cailan in Ostagar, and the heaps of bodies in Fort Drakon.....
To each their own kink. I don't judge. If you need to see naked dead people to think something is more realistic I wish you well in your career as an amatuer coroner.
Chris Priestly wrote...
For me, and this is my personal opinion and not BioWare's opinion, I have never seen the need for nudity in video games, especially BioWare's video games.
I do understand the argument that "if you are going to show someone in a situation where they should be naked, then they SHOULD be naked" and I actually agree with this. It drives me nuts in a movie or TV when someone walks out of a shower and they are, say, conveniently wearing a bathing suit for some reason. It is jarring and, more importantly, makes no sense.
However, there are all sorts of ways that a game can be written where you don't have to show naked bodies. I have always been more tantelized by the suggestion of nudity and a wish that I could see what was "behind the curtain" rather than having it thrownat me directly in my face (so to speak). If you want to take off someone's armor it makes sense to me that they have underwear on under it (even leather armor chafes somethign terrible). Now, if you want to take off the underwear for whatever reason, well... I don't think that is a feature we would include. There is plenty of nudity on the internet if you want to find it. We can find better ways to make our games interesting without needing to have to rely on this.
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Please explain why darkspawn would keep his underwear on? Cailan's body had clearly been abused by whoever tied him to that post, and his armour was removed and scattered about. Does it make sense for his naughty bits to remain carefully covered?
Moreover, you're going back there to recover his body. Having his body left exposed makes for a more poignant scene.
Angrywolves wrote...
I'm saying Bioware can't go A lpha Protocol type romance when they've gone further that in the past. It would look like they're self censoring themselves in order to prevent criticism from the American right wing media.
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Modifié par Giltspur, 05 avril 2013 - 11:58 .
M25105 wrote...
They took his armour and weapons off and divided it among their leaders. You know... cause it's good loot. How's Cailian's underwear good loot?
Forgive me, but I couldn't resist.Wulfram wrote...
M25105 wrote...
They took his armour and weapons off and divided it among their leaders. You know... cause it's good loot. How's Cailian's underwear good loot?
Well, you'd at least want to check if it was enchanted, wouldn't you?
When you die your bowels release, enchanted or not why would they want soiled underwear?Wulfram wrote...
M25105 wrote...
They took his armour and weapons off and divided it among their leaders. You know... cause it's good loot. How's Cailian's underwear good loot?
Well, you'd at least want to check if it was enchanted, wouldn't you?
Avalon The Elf wrote...
When you die your bowels release, enchanted or not why would they want soiled underwear?Wulfram wrote...
M25105 wrote...
They took his armour and weapons off and divided it among their leaders. You know... cause it's good loot. How's Cailian's underwear good loot?
Well, you'd at least want to check if it was enchanted, wouldn't you?
Angrywolves wrote...
Nothing wrong with Alpha Protocol type romances unless you've done more in the past and you aka Bioware feel the need to self censor the game you're working on aka DAI .
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Degs29 wrote...
Commander Kurt wrote...
I'm guessing you think Geralt to be rather shallow then, since the man never takes off his pants.
It honestly makes my day when people hold up TW2 (a game that I thoroughly enjoyed) as a mature example of how to do nudity in games. The whole "boobies are great, wee-wee's are gross"-vibe in that game can really only be called mature by anyone who is... Um.. Well, whom I don't agree with.
But now that I have you guys here, how does that work?? Did you not notice that she's naked and he's wearing pants? Is it a practical issue, where you reckon it's at least easier for the poor guy to grind a hole in one pair of pants rather than two sets of underware? I'm honestly curious because I see this all the time in this discussion, and I don't get it.
On topic, just fade to black. Sex in games can probably be awesome if done right, but I'm betting it won't be and doing it wrong just makes the whole thing look silly.
You know what, that's a fair point.
When I hold up TW2 for that scene, it's because it feels like they didn't go out of their way to make it less offensive. I actually can't remember any other nude scene in that game except for Triss at the beginning and even that scene and the bath scene are blurry in my memory. Triss pulls Geralt into the bath while he's undressing, right? Geralt must have been either nude or in his underwear in the first scene though...as I seem to recall him putting on his pants. Either way, I think both scenes worked realistically. Even the Mass Effect love scenes were done well IMO, but the DA scenes were way too awdward. I just don't like to see them sacrifice realism for...what? It's not like they're going for a Teen rating.
Modifié par Saibh, 06 avril 2013 - 01:00 .
I feel this way as well. It's why I felt the Mass Effect 1 sex scenes were well done. They had the characters naked like they were supposed to be but tastefully had them covered with shadows or other things. That is what works best in my opinion instead of this underwear sex or fade to black crap we currently see.-TC1989- wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
For me, and this is my personal opinion and not BioWare's opinion, I have never seen the need for nudity in video games, especially BioWare's video games.
I do understand the argument that "if you are going to show someone in a situation where they should be naked, then they SHOULD be naked" and I actually agree with this. It drives me nuts in a movie or TV when someone walks out of a shower and they are, say, conveniently wearing a bathing suit for some reason. It is jarring and, more importantly, makes no sense.
However, there are all sorts of ways that a game can be written where you don't have to show naked bodies. I have always been more tantelized by the suggestion of nudity and a wish that I could see what was "behind the curtain" rather than having it thrownat me directly in my face (so to speak). If you want to take off someone's armor it makes sense to me that they have underwear on under it (even leather armor chafes somethign terrible). Now, if you want to take off the underwear for whatever reason, well... I don't think that is a feature we would include. There is plenty of nudity on the internet if you want to find it. We can find better ways to make our games interesting without needing to have to rely on this.
I agree with this. At the same time though, I think people need to understand that just because there can be nudity in games, doesn't mean it should be compared to porn, or something "offensive". Nudity can be done in a very tasteful manner if it is done right. I'm also fine with the fact of there being no nudity, and there just being camera angles, or whatever. But another thing too, is that nudity isn't just in question for sex scenes, it could also be used for things like brothels, or other things of that nature. Again it could go both ways, I'm guessing at this point you might as well steer clear of it. Amazingly this topic has such a wide view, and lots of different opinions, and might as well just stay the way it is. Just please don't do in depth sex scenes if you're not going to do it in a mature manner.
With respect, you're missing the point. It's not about kink and seeing private parts (dead or alive), but about the vulnerability and (sometimes) loss of dignity that nudity means in some circumstances. The symbolism of it, if you will.Chris Priestly wrote...
To each their own kink. I don't judge. If you need to see naked dead people to think something is more realistic I wish you well in your career as an amatuer coroner.
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