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[KingZayd]

CronoDragoon wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Story was far superior in ME1 though. Combat has undoubtedly improved since then, and the inventory system wasn't great. I don't like the introduction of thermal clips though.

That depends on what you mean by story. The characters and especially the dialogue are much improved in the sequels. The plotting is the best of the series, though.

I meant the main story as a whole. Conversations with squadmates was much better done in ME2.

[robertthebard]

Getorex wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

iakus wrote...

robertthebard wrote...
I saw the planets for "exploration" much as the DA 2 community saw most of that game, reused/recycled areas planted randomly throughout.

The planets didn't have bricked up doorways

Ok, gotta give you that one. 

There IS one (of a sort).  No way I remember the planet but there is a building on one planet in ME1 that belongs to some Krogan merc or warlord that is always locked and unavailable to me.  I'm not sure what the trigger is that allows you to get in.  No bricks but almost as good.

Hard to be sure, but I think that's tied to a quest from the Citadel, or, possibly, the one you get from Hackett immediately after you go to Ilos.

[CronoDragoon]

KingZayd wrote...

I meant the main story as a whole. Conversations with squadmates was much better done in ME2.

Well, as a whole, yes. But it's a very uneven story. Good start up till you become a Spectre, then a bunch of planets that barely advance the plot and generally are sort of silly, then it gets good again starting with Virmire through to the end.

That's still better than ME2's barebones main plot, but ME1 kinda wins by default in this series.

[PSUHammer]

Getorex wrote...

Yesterday I downloaded an 800+ MB file of hi-res textures for ME1.  Maybe give that a try next time...they give hi-res to virtually all characters and some equipment/systems.  www.moddb.com/mods/mass-effect-1-new-texture-updatesimprovements-mod


Miranda's ass: Eh.  I'm not a "baby got back" man.  I like my ladies to have tight buns (Ash) rather than...robust.

yeah, I used Texplorer to permanently upgrade textures in ME3 (that Atlas is ugly up close!) but not mE1 or 2.  Do you use Texmod?  If so, I hate how long it takes to start the game.

[PSUHammer]

CronoDragoon wrote...

KingZayd wrote...
I meant the main story as a whole. Conversations with squadmates was much better done in ME2.

Well, as a whole, yes. But it's a very uneven story. Good start up till you become a Spectre, then a bunch of planets that barely advance the plot and generally are sort of silly, then it gets good again starting with Virmire through to the end.
That's still better than ME2's barebones main plot, but ME1 kinda wins by default in this series.

three different stories
ME1 was a smaller detective game uncovering the larger story
ME2 is character driven segue to the final battle and is dark (death and suicide mission)
ME3 is the war to end all wars

[Getorex]

PSUHammer wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Yesterday I downloaded an 800+ MB file of hi-res textures for ME1.  Maybe give that a try next time...they give hi-res to virtually all characters and some equipment/systems.  www.moddb.com/mods/mass-effect-1-new-texture-updatesimprovements-mod


Miranda's ass: Eh.  I'm not a "baby got back" man.  I like my ladies to have tight buns (Ash) rather than...robust.

yeah, I used Texplorer to permanently upgrade textures in ME3 (that Atlas is ugly up close!) but not mE1 or 2.  Do you use Texmod?  If so, I hate how long it takes to start the game.

Yeah, I use Texmod (I don't want to THINK about how long it is going to take for 800+ MB of textures to be loaded at ME1 startup!  I'll start it first thing in the morning and maybe come back after lunch and start ).  I'm a little afraid of doing permanent fixes by altering files in the game...if I fsck it up I don't want to have to reinstall and then do all the updates, etc.

[PSUHammer]

A reinstall doesn't take all that long. Plus, the permanent texture updates with Texplorer means no load wait!!

[Getorex]

PSUHammer wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

KingZayd wrote...
I meant the main story as a whole. Conversations with squadmates was much better done in ME2.

Well, as a whole, yes. But it's a very uneven story. Good start up till you become a Spectre, then a bunch of planets that barely advance the plot and generally are sort of silly, then it gets good again starting with Virmire through to the end.
That's still better than ME2's barebones main plot, but ME1 kinda wins by default in this series.

three different stories
ME1 was a smaller detective game uncovering the larger story
ME2 is character driven segue to the final battle and is dark (death and suicide mission)
ME3 is the war to end all wars

ME3 war didn't FEEL big to me.  The cinematics were nice (if not silly with ships so damn close together like tall ships exchanging canon balls within spitting distance of each other...but then beyond visual range wouldn't display well).  I felt that both curing the Genophage and retaking Rannoch deserved much bigger treatment - perhaps an entire game devoted to accomplishing both and that's (almost) it.  Instead it is a couple standard fights and suddenly an issue that is a thousand years festering (Genophage) or 300+ years festering (Rannoch) are discharged with a snap of the fingers.  A mere side mission for each.

[Getorex]

PSUHammer wrote...

A reinstall doesn't take all that long. Plus, the permanent texture updates with Texplorer means no load wait!!

You talked me into it (at least, talked me into looking into it).  I assume it means taking a texture used in texmod and renaming it to be exactly what it is replacing, etc? 

800MB...that's going to be a lot of files.

[CronoDragoon]

PSUHammer wrote...
three different stories
ME1 was a smaller detective game uncovering the larger story
ME2 is character driven segue to the final battle and is dark (death and suicide mission)
ME3 is the war to end all wars

If we can't compare things that aren't meant to be compared, then just shut down the internet plz.

[PSUHammer]

Getorex wrote...

PSUHammer wrote...

A reinstall doesn't take all that long. Plus, the permanent texture updates with Texplorer means no load wait!!

You talked me into it (at least, talked me into looking into it).  I assume it means taking a texture used in texmod and renaming it to be exactly what it is replacing, etc? 

800MB...that's going to be a lot of files.

There is a thread in the Fan creation forum for it.  Forum person is "Saltisgood".  He has an ME3 installer that installs the textures for you.  And, yes, it does exactly what you stated in replacing default texture files. 

[PSUHammer]

Remember that the Genophage and Geth/Quarian conflicts arc longer than just ME3. The genophage arc started on Virmire with Wrex. ME3 just finished it.

[Fawx9]

The main point I want to disagree with is the ME1 inventory system being bad.

It's wasn't bad, it just needed work. ME3 got it right by removing the redundant guns/armours but lost some things when they removed the different tiers and in turn, customizations. We lost upgrade slot increases. We lost upgrade slots completely on armor. We also lost bio/tech upgrades and instead had those stats merged with armour(that couldn't be changed).

If they had streamlined it a bit less to get rid of the redundancy/clutter I feel it could have turned out better. Instead they stripped most of the things away to the point where you only cared about gun levels and the type of attachment on them.

Modifié par Fawx9, 09 avril 2013 - 04:51 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

Getorex wrote...
I had a wish (couldn't call it a hope) that Bioware would produce a box-set of all three games, all rejiggered to use the same controls as in ME3.  Even leaving the inventory system and leveling systems intact as is in each woud be OK...just redo the controls.  That would be fantastic.  Ah well.  Yet another lost opportunity for Bioware.

Is that possible without reprogramming pretty much the entire game from scratch? I agree that it would be great, but I wonder if maybe it's just the sort of thing guaranteed to lose money if they actually did it.

[Getorex]

PSUHammer wrote...

Getorex wrote...

PSUHammer wrote...

A reinstall doesn't take all that long. Plus, the permanent texture updates with Texplorer means no load wait!!

You talked me into it (at least, talked me into looking into it).  I assume it means taking a texture used in texmod and renaming it to be exactly what it is replacing, etc? 

800MB...that's going to be a lot of files.

There is a thread in the Fan creation forum for it.  Forum person is "Saltisgood".  He has an ME3 installer that installs the textures for you.  And, yes, it does exactly what you stated in replacing default texture files. 

I'll look (or DM him).  I just tried a "search" but GODS! the search function here SUCKS HARD.

[Reorte]

Getorex wrote...

There IS one (of a sort).  No way I remember the planet but there is a building on one planet in ME1 that belongs to some Krogan merc or warlord that is always locked and unavailable to me.  I'm not sure what the trigger is that allows you to get in.  No bricks but almost as good.

ME1 has a Paragon and a Renegade side mission, I'm guessing that it's the locked-out building for whichever one you're not.

Like the look of those textures, let me know if you find the not-having-to-use TexMod thing. Now I've just got to wait for the whole 800MB to download... I'm a little reluctant to reinstall too if I don't use TexMod since when I tried installing ME1 on my laptop BDtS wouldn't unlock (despite having uninstalled it from my old laptop).

[Getorex]

Reorte wrote...

Getorex wrote...

There IS one (of a sort).  No way I remember the planet but there is a building on one planet in ME1 that belongs to some Krogan merc or warlord that is always locked and unavailable to me.  I'm not sure what the trigger is that allows you to get in.  No bricks but almost as good.

ME1 has a Paragon and a Renegade side mission, I'm guessing that it's the locked-out building for whichever one you're not.

Like the look of those textures, let me know if you find the not-having-to-use TexMod thing. Now I've just got to wait for the whole 800MB to download... I'm a little reluctant to reinstall too if I don't use TexMod since when I tried installing ME1 on my laptop BDtS wouldn't unlock (despite having uninstalled it from my old laptop).

Oh yeah.  BDtS...had forgotten what a PAIN that was to get working.  I have it working (finally) but it took time and pain.  I don't want to go through it again.

The link: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/368/index/15144632 

I've asked if the installer can also be used (or modded/rewritten) to install ME1 and ME2 textures (it is a mod installer, not a direct tpf file installer).

Modifié par Getorex, 09 avril 2013 - 05:43 .

[TheProtheans]

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[David7204]

People would be utterly shrieking at the recycled levels, crappy Mako controls, and cookie-cutter planets if they had been included in ME 3 and not ME 1. They would be shrieking that BioWare is the laziest, stupidest developer ever, EVER for including them. And we all know it.

So yes, it's just the benefit of nostalgia and having the first impression.

That and people seem to have tremendous difficulty with the basic concept that the early part of a story introduces the setting and the later parts focus on the conflict. That is really just the end of it. You don't have to like it, but that's how it's always been, and that's how it's going to be. You might as well whine that gravity is stupid, for all the good it will do you.

Modifié par David7204, 09 avril 2013 - 06:05 .

[PSUHammer]

Getorex wrote...
I'll look (or DM him).  I just tried a "search" but GODS! the search function here SUCKS HARD.

http://social.biowar.../index/15144632

[PSUHammer]

TheProtheans wrote...

If you don't make stupid threads then I can't post in them telling you they're stupid.
If someone doesn't let you know then you will never learn unless of course you're too... to learn.

The interesting observation I have of people who resort to negativity and insults, especially people who claim they think the series (ME3) sucks now, is that they keep posting in the forums to try and tell others how they feel.  

If you lack self confidence in your own opinions, my friend, there is no reason to lash out at others because of it.  Clearly it might be time to move on from the ME3 forum and seek therapy for your shortcomings.  

Modifié par PSUHammer, 09 avril 2013 - 06:10 .

[TheProtheans]

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[Baldsake]

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[Exile Isan]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Also really did not like the romances. Even in a playthrough where I romance Liara, I feel like telling her to back off when she hits me with the "did you feel a deep connection, too?" stuff like two days after we meet. It's an unfortunate consequence of the freedom to do the planets in any order: they almost HAVE to provide the opportunity for Liara to rush the romance.

This is part of the reason I have a hard time romancing Liara in ME1.

Since it was just made available for PS3, I started over again for my first full canon series playthrough. That means no romance in ME1 so that the Tali romance picks up in ME2 without any awkwardness. But somehow in ME1 I got ninja-d by Ashley. I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything to let her know I was interested, or if I did it wasn't made obvious to me. Kinda frustrating.

Yeah, same thing happened to me, only with Kaidan. I was trying to have a character that romanced nobody in ME1 so I could romance Thane with no ties. I talked to Kaidan once, once and he showed up at the lockdown scene. I was like really Bioware? Once?

Anyway, I agree with the OP that people tend to look at ME1 with rose colored glasses. I like ME1 and I still play it, but I'm not blind to it's flaws. Inventory is terrible, ME3's is perfect to me. Combat is terrible, ME2 did this better and ME3 perfected it. Armor is ugly in ME1 (unless it's heavy armor), ME2's is better, but I like the way is looks in ME3 the best (Hahne-Kedar chestplate for Femshep!). Ninjamances are a pain in the ass as for the most part I romance Garrus and that character has no interest in either Liara or Kaidan (they're both a little too paragon for her) and it's annoying to have to ignore two great characters or be a jerk at least to Kaidan to avoid romance with him. At least with Liara you can turn her down politely, but it's still awkward.

Also storywise, while ME1 is good IMO, it's not great. It reminds me too much of KotOR. Visit these four planets and find out what Saren is doing. Visit these four planets and find out what Revan and Malak were doing. See what I mean? I love that ME2 changed this and it's something I like about DA 2 as well. They tried to break with the traditional RPG formula and I loved it, others not so much.

Another reason ME1 is not my favorite of the trilogy is because you get all the information up front: Noveria and Feros are being attacked by Geth go investigate, but first go find Matriach Benezia's daughter. Oh, don't worry Shepard Feros will hold out till you get there and Matriarch Benezia will just hang around on Noveria for months on end till you get there, too. That worked fine for KotOR, but it didn't work for Mass Effect, at least not for me. 

It would have been better if it had been structured like ME2 and Udina had given you one lead to begin with: Liara. Go find Matriarch Benezia's daughter she may have information on the Conduit or just insight into the Matriarch herself. After you got Liara and you did a couple of side missions, then it triggered Feros. Hackett or Anderson contacts you telling you Feros had reports of Geth just before they lost contact go investigate. So you go investigate and when you're done with that you do a couple side missions and then get the call from a the Council about Virmire. So you go do Virmire (I know people love doing Virmire last, but I have to ask them what the hell would Saren still be doing on Virmire if he already knows the location of the Mu Relay?! He'd have gathered his troops and been gone!). So after that you get information that Matriarch Benezia was spotted on Noveria. Not geth, Matriarch Benezia. So you go there and finished Noveria.

Now in this order, doing Noveria last, you have Liara, the Cipher, the location of the Condiut, and now just need the location of Mu Relay to get to the Conduit. Doing it this way would have eliminated the ridiculousness of calling the main quest "The Race Against Time" yet letting Shepard screw around on planets doing nothing plot important. Doing it the way I described above, the way ME2 did it, would have let Shepard do non plot important worlds while waiting for intel. But people would have hated that, the way they hated it in ME2 because there's no "freedom" in it.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 09 avril 2013 - 08:29 .

[Mathias]

I think the series improved in some aspects, and got worse in some others. Mass Effect 3 took a lot of steps back, and it's dialogue and story were undeniably worse than Mass Effect 1.