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[Han Shot First]

dreamgazer wrote...

They sure do. I adore ME1, but it's occasionally pretty amazing to see what's attacked in the later games and what's justified or ignored in the first.

I always found it amusing when people rail about plot holes in the sequels, while simultaneously arguing that ME1's writing was near flawless. ME1 has one of the larger plot holes in the series.

[Obadiah]

You can see how the direction changed from ME1 to ME3 just by looking at the advertising and the load screens.

ME1: Advertising: BIG decisions, tip of the spear, interactivity and responsive actors. Main Menu: characters fading in and out aver a blue background with calming tech music.

ME2: Advertising: Big name stars, combat, more combat, Miranda, combat. Main Menu: Laptops in front of orange destroyed stuff, with action theme song (which I like) playing,

ME3: Advertising: Big name stars, combat, more combat, multiplayer. Main Menu: Laptops in front of Earth with stuff burning in free fall - no music.

[Megaton_Hope]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

What platform did you play it on? The inventory system wasn't nearly as bad on PC as it was console.

I've played it on both, myself, since the "trilogy" edition came out.

[Vigilant111]

Hehehe, nah, I like ME1 much better than the rest

Sure, combos are okay (I rarely use them), but look at the sheer strength of ME1 biotic powers, have you seen a fully evolved singularity lifting 4 rachni workers? Tactical cloak is kinda overrated to me. Weapons are so much more powerful in ME1, spectre master gear is the best!!!

[-Skorpious-]

ME2/3 were vast improvements in terms of gameplay mechanics and inventory (especially ME3), but I didn't fall in love with Mass Effect because it had tight combat.

Atmosphere>Main Plot>Gameplay>Squadmates>Secondary plots and characterization

Odd list I know, but I value plausible settings (yes, this is possible in sci-fi settings without being overly grounded) and story above combat and squadmate drama.

[NeonFlux117]

From a gameplay standpoint ME1 is, well I might get slack for this, not very good. the controls are clunky and the shooting is 'off'. But it's narrative, setting and sense of exploration and true RPG elements are fantastic. ME2 is the pinnacle of the series, casue it had all the great things ME1 had but added even more great characters, even more hub worlds, even more settings and an amazing journey and finale. ME3 is the weakest of the series, albeit still very good, but it's nowhere near ME1, and it couldn't carry ME2's gym bag. ME1 was awesome, I mean remember talking to Sovereign the fist time!!! Epic. And then fighting those Asari commandos on Noveria, holly sh!t was that tough. And then the Battle of the Citadel and then the ending credits song. EPIC. Good memories.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 05 avril 2013 - 03:42 .

[Shaleist]

PSUHammer wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I love ME1.  One of the best games in one of the best series I have ever played.  But...people can't honestly think that the series didn't improve as it went along.  I haven't played ME1 in about 4 years so I feel like I am coming into it fresh.

Some thoughts:

*  The inventory micro management is pretty bad.  I like customization as much as the next guy but there really isn't anything different then numbered levels of armor and guns.  I do like the different ammo types, though.\\
AGREED. ME3 did this right.

*  The combat is just not good, in hindsight.  I remember thinking it was OK at the time, but the refinements with ME2 then 3 are SOOO much better.  Cover system in ME1 is bad.
It's still good. Yeah I've replayed it recently a couple times as well. It's overstating things to call it bad... or to call ME2 or ME3 'better'. So frustrated by one button doing5 things in ME3.

*  Graphics are surprisingly not all that different other than special effects, lighting and textures.
yeah. Filter FTW too. Love the studio TV show vibe.

*  Biotics and tech no where near as fun without combos.
True.

*  No Infiltrator cloak
Wouldn't have helped much TBH.

*  Grinding with the Mako.  Fun to drive but lame and repetitive mineral gathering.
Then ignore minerals.

*  Recycled environments.  Reminds me of DA2.
Fair enough.

*  Mark Meer isn't as bad as I thought...but he did improve by ME3.
True.

*  Garrus still rules
Garrus had the personality of a coat rack in ME1.

*  Wrex had no sense of humor in ME1
Was he supposed to be glib? He's a disillusioned merc from a dying species. The addition of HOPE for Krogans from ME1 to ME3 perks him up. Makes sense actually.

*  Love the lore and people you run across...interesting going back from ME3.  Some people I forgot about and was like "OHHHH...there is that guy!"
I guess.

*  Saren plot still great.  Love ME1 main storyline.
It was simple, and didn't have to reconcile with 2 previous games. That said simple > ME3's failure at depth/complexity/art whatever they were going for by a long shot.


All in all, I feel that ME3 improves gameplay in almost every way (aside from fetch quests for war assets).  Taken as a whole, I really see the evolution of the game.  Especially combat, music, Voice Acting and cinematics.  Can't wait to see what the next Mass Effect game will be like now that they have ditched the aging Unreal engine.



I wish the Soul of Mass Effect 1 and 2 passed on to the next game.  ME3s technical improvements *biotic mechanics etc* and the way NPCs interacted with one another are great.

I kinda agree, kinda don't.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint ME1 is, well I might get slack for this, not very good. the controls are clunky and the shooting is 'off'. But it's narrative, setting and sense of exploration and true RPG elements are fantastic. ME2 is the pinnacle of the series, casue it had all the great things ME1 had but added even more great characters, even more hub worlds, even more settings and an amazing journey and finale. ME3 is the weakest of the series, albeit still very good, but it's nowhere near ME1, and it couldn't carry ME2's gym bag. ME1 was awesome, I mean remember talking to Sovereign the fist time!!! Epic. And then fighting those Asari commandos on Noveria, holly sh!t was that tough. And then the Battle of the Citadel and then the ending credits song. EPIC. Good memories.

True RPG Elements? What constitutes a true RPG Element? ME certainly had poor gameplay, though, to the point that I can no longer play it.

[-Skorpious-]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint ME1 is, well I might get slack for this, not very good. the controls are clunky and the shooting is 'off'. But it's narrative, setting and sense of exploration and true RPG elements are fantastic. ME2 is the pinnacle of the series, casue it had all the great things ME1 had but added even more great characters, even more hub worlds, even more settings and an amazing journey and finale. ME3 is the weakest of the series, albeit still very good, but it's nowhere near ME1, and it couldn't carry ME2's gym bag. ME1 was awesome, I mean remember talking to Sovereign the fist time!!! Epic. And then fighting those Asari commandos on Noveria, holly sh!t was that tough. And then the Battle of the Citadel and then the ending credits song. EPIC. Good memories.

True RPG Elements? What constitutes a true RPG Element? ME certainly had poor gameplay, though, to the point that I can no longer play it.

Not trying to start a flame war, or claim my viewpoint is superior, but ME3's story was so poor that I can no longer play it.

Again, not trying to be rude, just pointing out some value the "role" in RPG more than the "game" aspects. 

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint ME1 is, well I might get slack for this, not very good. the controls are clunky and the shooting is 'off'. But it's narrative, setting and sense of exploration and true RPG elements are fantastic. ME2 is the pinnacle of the series, casue it had all the great things ME1 had but added even more great characters, even more hub worlds, even more settings and an amazing journey and finale. ME3 is the weakest of the series, albeit still very good, but it's nowhere near ME1, and it couldn't carry ME2's gym bag. ME1 was awesome, I mean remember talking to Sovereign the fist time!!! Epic. And then fighting those Asari commandos on Noveria, holly sh!t was that tough. And then the Battle of the Citadel and then the ending credits song. EPIC. Good memories.

True RPG Elements? What constitutes a true RPG Element? ME certainly had poor gameplay, though, to the point that I can no longer play it.

Not trying to start a flame war, or claim my viewpoint is superior, but ME3's story was so poor that I can no longer play it.

Again, not trying to be rude, just pointing out some value the "role" in RPG more than the "game" aspects. 

Can you still play ME2? It didn't even have a story.

[NeonFlux117]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint ME1 is, well I might get slack for this, not very good. the controls are clunky and the shooting is 'off'. But it's narrative, setting and sense of exploration and true RPG elements are fantastic. ME2 is the pinnacle of the series, casue it had all the great things ME1 had but added even more great characters, even more hub worlds, even more settings and an amazing journey and finale. ME3 is the weakest of the series, albeit still very good, but it's nowhere near ME1, and it couldn't carry ME2's gym bag. ME1 was awesome, I mean remember talking to Sovereign the fist time!!! Epic. And then fighting those Asari commandos on Noveria, holly sh!t was that tough. And then the Battle of the Citadel and then the ending credits song. EPIC. Good memories.

True RPG Elements? What constitutes a true RPG Element? ME certainly had poor gameplay, though, to the point that I can no longer play it.

ME1 had loot and tons of upgrades- for everything. But it's inventory was sloppy. ME2 streamlined all these things- which I liked, excpet modding ammo, grenades and guns this is the only thing that ME1 or even ME3 did better than ME2. But ME1 and ME2 are rpg's, However, I like to consider ME2 a perfect hyprid RPG/shooter/action game. ME3 is more or less a straight up action shooter with some RPG elements. 

[-Skorpious-]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint ME1 is, well I might get slack for this, not very good. the controls are clunky and the shooting is 'off'. But it's narrative, setting and sense of exploration and true RPG elements are fantastic. ME2 is the pinnacle of the series, casue it had all the great things ME1 had but added even more great characters, even more hub worlds, even more settings and an amazing journey and finale. ME3 is the weakest of the series, albeit still very good, but it's nowhere near ME1, and it couldn't carry ME2's gym bag. ME1 was awesome, I mean remember talking to Sovereign the fist time!!! Epic. And then fighting those Asari commandos on Noveria, holly sh!t was that tough. And then the Battle of the Citadel and then the ending credits song. EPIC. Good memories.

True RPG Elements? What constitutes a true RPG Element? ME certainly had poor gameplay, though, to the point that I can no longer play it.

Not trying to start a flame war, or claim my viewpoint is superior, but ME3's story was so poor that I can no longer play it.

Again, not trying to be rude, just pointing out some value the "role" in RPG more than the "game" aspects. 

Can you still play ME2? It didn't even have a story.

My least favorite game in the trilogy actually. However, it had the benefit of being the "bridge" of the series (i.e they'll probably fix everything when ME3 comes out!) 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 05 avril 2013 - 04:01 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Can you still play ME2? It didn't even have a story.

That's not fair, it had a story, the story was just half-baked crap with no real connection to the game it followed narratively.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

From a gameplay standpoint ME1 is, well I might get slack for this, not very good. the controls are clunky and the shooting is 'off'. But it's narrative, setting and sense of exploration and true RPG elements are fantastic. ME2 is the pinnacle of the series, casue it had all the great things ME1 had but added even more great characters, even more hub worlds, even more settings and an amazing journey and finale. ME3 is the weakest of the series, albeit still very good, but it's nowhere near ME1, and it couldn't carry ME2's gym bag. ME1 was awesome, I mean remember talking to Sovereign the fist time!!! Epic. And then fighting those Asari commandos on Noveria, holly sh!t was that tough. And then the Battle of the Citadel and then the ending credits song. EPIC. Good memories.

True RPG Elements? What constitutes a true RPG Element? ME certainly had poor gameplay, though, to the point that I can no longer play it.

Not trying to start a flame war, or claim my viewpoint is superior, but ME3's story was so poor that I can no longer play it.

Again, not trying to be rude, just pointing out some value the "role" in RPG more than the "game" aspects. 

Can you still play ME2? It didn't even have a story.

My least favorite game in the trilogy actually. However, it had the benefit of being the "bridge" of the series (i.e they'll probably fix everything when ME3 comes out!) 

If only we knew. Still, they did what they could, given the timeframe. Some stuck, some didn't.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

They should have kept the ability depth and the different buttons for opening boxes and going into cover.

ME2/3 are more fine tuned, but I miss the number of abilites and I hate trying to sprint and going right into cover.

Everything else was a good evolution.

[rapscallioness]

Aaleel wrote...

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I love longer missions, landing in the Mako, getting through the outer defenses, doing things like disarming AA towers so the Normandy could land, planning the next stage of the missions, assaulting the base on foot. Loved it. Getting dropped off right at the back door like in ME2 never really did it for me. At least in ME3 you had to get dropped back from the zone, or you landed under fire.

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This!

Although, I feel ME series definitely improved in alot of ways. More humor.  Graphics. Combat. ME2 had sum nice hub worlds.

But they also let sum things slide.

I recently started a new ME1 PT. I had forgotten how they approached the missions, and how much I loved that approach.

But I think in order to do that again, they'd have to bring back a land vehicle. I'm assuming they took that out cuz of complaints? Bring back a land vehicle then. A kick butt land vehicle.....w/squaddie banter on my driving skills, or lack thereof.

I also miss the debriefings with everyone together. Not just a couple on the shuttle. I'd like to see that kinda thing return, but w/ a bit more quick input from each of the crew. I liked how the crew was able to interact w/each other. And I like discussing the mission w/everyone there.

[Jayce]

The game play and mechanics definitely improved. I'm still bummed about losing the ability to crouch though.

[Big Bad]

ME1 certainly had some flaws, and there were some things that the later games did better (character interaction and combat are notable examples), but as the introduction to a new and fascinating universe, it was sublime and will always have a special place in my videogame collection.  I also think that the narrative and music are better than in either of the sequels. 

[NeonFlux117]

Mass Effect 1 is great. Mass Effect 2 is better and the best. Mass Effect 3 is really good but not as good as it's predecessors. Nuff said. The series is amazing and easily the greatest trilogy in the history of the medium. Easily. the opinion of which game is better is individual and there's no 'right' answer. Although, and I'm bias, ME2 is clearly the best. But to each their own. I think we can all agree that the series is great.

[Shaleist]

I 2nd NeonFlux. The series was great. Who cares which one of the 3 was the best?

Although he/she is right, it was ME2 . . . *runs away*

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Shaleist wrote...

I 2nd NeonFlux. The series was great. Who cares which one of the 3 was the best?

Although he/she is right, it was ME2 . . . *runs away*

ME2 WAS MERELY LEMON. BUT ME3? WHY, AN ABSOLUTE LIME!

In my opinion, anyway.

[NeonFlux117]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Shaleist wrote...

I 2nd NeonFlux. The series was great. Who cares which one of the 3 was the best?

Although he/she is right, it was ME2 . . . *runs away*

ME2 WAS MERELY LEMON. BUT ME3? WHY, AN ABSOLUTE LIME!

In my opinion, anyway.

haha, you're attempts at trolling are amateur at best and are the only 'lemon' here. 

[JPN17]

The gameplay improved as the series went on, but the story did not. And the story was the reason I loved ME so much.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Shaleist wrote...

I 2nd NeonFlux. The series was great. Who cares which one of the 3 was the best?

Although he/she is right, it was ME2 . . . *runs away*

ME2 WAS MERELY LEMON. BUT ME3? WHY, AN ABSOLUTE LIME!

In my opinion, anyway.

haha, you're attempts at trolling are amateur at best and are the only 'lemon' here. 

You know, the fact that I ended my statement with the disclaimer "In my opinion..." should be evidence enough that I am simply joking. The caps lock should be something of a giveaway, too. (I do feel that ME3 is the technical best of the trilogy, if only because I've found it to be the most enjoyable, but now we're getting off on a tangent, which is ironically more relevant than the our original topic and now I'm rambling)

[NeonFlux117]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Shaleist wrote...

I 2nd NeonFlux. The series was great. Who cares which one of the 3 was the best?

Although he/she is right, it was ME2 . . . *runs away*

ME2 WAS MERELY LEMON. BUT ME3? WHY, AN ABSOLUTE LIME!

In my opinion, anyway.

haha, you're attempts at trolling are amateur at best and are the only 'lemon' here. 

You know, the fact that I ended my statement with the disclaimer "In my opinion..." should be evidence enough that I am simply joking. The caps lock should be something of a giveaway, too. (I do feel that ME3 is the technical best of the trilogy, if only because I've found it to be the most enjoyable, but now we're getting off on a tangent, which is ironically more relevant than the our original topic and now I'm rambling)

Allright, fair points. Thank you.