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[spirosz]

He's saving a slice for Tali.

[Seival]

A fan-fiction thread in story section of the forums. A contradiction that has to be reported.

...Done. Fan fictions should be discussed in fan-fiction section. For the sake of order.

[Xilizhra]

iakus wrote...

Survival
Reunion
EDI alive
Geth alive.

It's still bittersweet, but with a better balance between bitter and sweet.

I personally consider Control, still, to be a better ending. The Reapers, too, survive the Catalyst's victimization, and at the cost of only one life. And because of the probable mechanics of the upload (to copy Shepard's personality into the Catalyst, it had to analyze and upload the entirety of Shepard's physical chemistry as well as brain patterns, as the nervous system and various factors that go into making a personality are distributed throughout the body beyond the brain), it seems likely that Shepard could be rebuilt thereafter anyway.

[Astartes Marine]

iakus wrote...
But Earth, Thessia, Palaven, and numerous colonies still fell to the Reapers.  Deaths you witness ed up to and including Anderson still happen.  Several ships get blown up by the Reapers covering the Normandy's rescue efforts.  And the relays are still badly damaged

Yeah the Reapers are dead and the galaxy is safe...but the galaxy is also a total wreck.  There was a rather large cost, just nothing silly that's tacked on to make one ending not the best overall.

iakus wrote...
oh, and the game ends with Shepard adding Anderson's name to the Normandy's memorial.

I saw that on youtube, almost teared up.  Anderson was like Shepard's mentor who was there since the beginning, he deserves center spot on the memorial. 

[Asharad Hett]

Seival wrote...

A fan-fiction thread in story section of the forums. A contradiction that has to be reported.

...Done. Fan fictions should be discussed in fan-fiction section. For the sake of order.

Seival, I consider your glorious view of Synthesis to be fan-fiction.  I suggest we don't start reporting threads that we disagree with. 

[SpamBot2000]

Seival wrote...

A fan-fiction thread in story section of the forums. A contradiction that has to be reported.

...Done. Fan fictions should be discussed in fan-fiction section. For the sake of order.

Oh boohoo. It's just a discussion of what the ME3 plot should have been. But it's fitting that you would banish undesirable opinions to the ghetto.

Smart companies like it when their customers tell them their preferences.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 06 avril 2013 - 06:24 .

[Chashan]

iakus wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

So MEHEM fixed the DeM of surviving getting nuked by Harbinger?  No?  Damn, that explains why I haven't even looked at it twice, eh?  The Lazarus DeM was enough for me.

There's only so much you can do with a fan made mod.  In a perfect world, the entirety of Priority: Earth would be reworked, Kai Leng would seem threatening, and Ash would have a real uniform.  But there are limits.

At least in MEHEM, Harbinger gets to say "You have failed" as Shep gets blasted 

Thing of beauty is that people can extract only that and have it working, too. Manual install isn't all that complicated...

As for the terminology, call it 'eucatastrophic device', and you're closer to what MEHEM actually provides. Which certainly beats a certain, unworthy 'final boss'-entity, which is conveniently culled from existence as it should be.

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

iakus wrote...

Survival
Reunion
EDI alive
Geth alive.

It's still bittersweet, but with a better balance between bitter and sweet.

I personally consider Control, still, to be a better ending. The Reapers, too, survive the Catalyst's victimization, and at the cost of only one life. And because of the probable mechanics of the upload (to copy Shepard's personality into the Catalyst, it had to analyze and upload the entirety of Shepard's physical chemistry as well as brain patterns, as the nervous system and various factors that go into making a personality are distributed throughout the body beyond the brain), it seems likely that Shepard could be rebuilt thereafter anyway.

And that is perfectly fine.  The nice thing about multiple endings is there can be many "best endings"  Although there are times (like this one) where a large segment of the fanbase gets neglected due to the perceived need for tragedy.  And such fans were dismissed as "confused" when they complained...

[Yestare7]

iakus wrote...

  The nice thing about multiple endings is there can be many "best endings"  

Indeed. Everyone can create their own story. Make it your own. :)

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

A fan-fiction thread in story section of the forums. A contradiction that has to be reported.

...Done. Fan fictions should be discussed in fan-fiction section. For the sake of order.

Maybe I should report your threads then for causing chaos and annoyance

[Clayless]

iakus wrote...

Survival
Reunion
EDI alive
Geth alive.

It's still bittersweet, but with a better balance between bitter and sweet.

I didn't mean the victory at no cost fanon, this isn't the fan made section, I meant destroy. What's happy about it and how is it what Shepard has been fighting for since the begining? That seems like a broad stroke the OP was making. My Shepard wanted the Geth to have a future for example.

Modifié par Robosexual, 06 avril 2013 - 07:38 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I liked Destroy. A weapon that wiped out all synthetic life was more believable than a weapon that picked and chose what to destroy. I don't think the other races even knew that what the Reapers were made of, like Shep in 1, they probably just thought they were machines.

EDI dying also made sense as it was revealed that she was made of pieces of Sovereign.

The only thing I disliked about Destory, or any of the endings was the Starbrat.

I think if they removed him and synthesis and made it that the Crucible was supposed to destroy all things synthetic but TIM, having gotten the plans from Mars and the VI, somehow enabled it to control the Reapers, thus giving you Control and Destroy, it would have been a better ending, to me. Though really just the removal of the Starkid would have made it a better ending. I am fine with Shep dying and actually prefer it that way.

[Nole]

I dont see how Destroy is not a "happy ending" since shepard survived and only the geths died. I mean, it was a war that you wouldn't have been able to win if it not for the crucible. Some times you just can't have everything you want no matter how hard you try.
I just think that you guys were too connected with your Shepards and could not accept the fact that he died and / or survived without being able to "save" all

Modifié par WittingEight65, 07 avril 2013 - 12:55 .

[Nole]

tickle267 wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

I dont see how Destroy is not a "happy ending" since shepard survived and only the get's died. I mean, it was a war that you wouldn't have been able to win if it not for the crucible. Some times you just can't have everything you want no matter how hard you try.
I just think that you guys were too connected with your Shepards and could not accept the fact that he died and / or survived without being able to "save" all

yes people were connected to their shepard, thats why they wanted CLOSURE.
that can be done with a dead shepard, just show how our friends and LI's continue afterwards (e.g. Liara bringing up child she had with shepard after melding [that's what everyone seems to think happened])

And isn't what the E.C. gave us?

[Seival]

Asharad Hett wrote...

Seival wrote...

A fan-fiction thread in story section of the forums. A contradiction that has to be reported.

...Done. Fan fictions should be discussed in fan-fiction section. For the sake of order.

Seival, I consider your glorious view of Synthesis to be fan-fiction.  I suggest we don't start reporting threads that we disagree with. 

Synthesis is in the game officially, it's not a fan-fiction.
Happy ending mod is a fan-made mod. Game doesn't have such ending, so it's a fan-fiction.

IT was a fan-fiction, and its fans resisted the idea to move the thread to corresponding forums. That ended up in IT prohibition on forums, and all discussions were moved out from public to private groups. Do you really want the same happens to MEHEM? Think about that, please.

...I remember I gave the same advice to ITers several months ago. Why people start listening only when it's too late?

Modifié par Seival, 06 avril 2013 - 08:26 .

[cyrexwingblade]

Seival wrote...

A fan-fiction thread in story section of the forums. A contradiction that has to be reported.

...Done. Fan fictions should be discussed in fan-fiction section. For the sake of order.

Yeah, see, I don't mind the long discussions about Synthesis myself, but coming down on people for talking about a mod and how it helped them enjoy the canon game more is not something you can say this to and expect it to be considered legitimate but a lot of other players.

*That* was just rude.

[Iakus]

WittingEight65 wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

I dont see how Destroy is not a "happy ending" since shepard survived and only the get's died. I mean, it was a war that you wouldn't have been able to win if it not for the crucible. Some times you just can't have everything you want no matter how hard you try.
I just think that you guys were too connected with your Shepards and could not accept the fact that he died and / or survived without being able to "save" all

yes people were connected to their shepard, thats why they wanted CLOSURE.
that can be done with a dead shepard, just show how our friends and LI's continue afterwards (e.g. Liara bringing up child she had with shepard after melding [that's what everyone seems to think happened])

And isn't what the E.C. gave us?

Oh, my no!

[Nole]

tickle267 wrote...

iakus wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

I dont see how Destroy is not a "happy ending" since shepard survived and only the get's died. I mean, it was a war that you wouldn't have been able to win if it not for the crucible. Some times you just can't have everything you want no matter how hard you try.
I just think that you guys were too connected with your Shepards and could not accept the fact that he died and / or survived without being able to "save" all

yes people were connected to their shepard, thats why they wanted CLOSURE.
that can be done with a dead shepard, just show how our friends and LI's continue afterwards (e.g. Liara bringing up child she had with shepard after melding [that's what everyone seems to think happened])

And isn't what the E.C. gave us?

Oh, my no!

exactly, the EC provides an image (not closure) for a handful of squadmates (the one from ME2 who you barely see during the game)
your squadmates from ME3 and your LI recieve no closure whatsoever (not putting shepard on the memorial and the breath DOESN'T count)

You guys ask for too much. Go see a movie, this is a game.

[Reorte]

WittingEight65 wrote...

I dont see how Destroy is not a "happy ending" since shepard survived and only the get's died. I mean, it was a war that you wouldn't have been able to win if it not for the crucible. Some times you just can't have everything you want no matter how hard you try.
I just think that you guys were too connected with your Shepards and could not accept the fact that he died and / or survived without being able to "save" all

It's pretty unhappy at the personal level and rather unconvincingly happy at the larger-scale impersonal level. Arguably Anderson's name going up on the memorial wall but then Shep and LI together strikes a much better "bittersweet" moment. Plus that losses that are removed by MEHEM always seemed so fake and arbitrary anyway (I'm always left shaking my head at the "one man must give his life to save everyone" cheese whenever it appears). The real losses will always be the devastated worlds (which should've been emphasised more IMO), and they have to be there for the story to be even vaguely convincing. The personal ones? That's just trying to be tragic for the hell of it.

[SpamBot2000]

WittingEight65 wrote...

You guys ask for too much. Go see a movie, this is a game.

Someone needs to tell that to BioWare.