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[katamuro]

I always found it was far more comfortable for me to have her as a good buddy rather than an LI. Somehow she projects the vibe that you could get drunk together and cause all kinds of mischief just for ****s and giggles. That really fits in with her character.

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

TheMyron wrote...

Annoyed: guys, must there be a fight on my opinion forum?

I apologize Myron.

I prefer the word misconstrue rather than fight though. Sounds much more positive.



As far as Jack goes, I previously established my sentiment. I like her demeanor as well as her countenance. Not to mention her superlative choice of vocabulary.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Sibu wrote...

You are a jerkface

YO LET US LIST ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN THIS JOKE

ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN THIS JOKE:

THE WHEEL
DINOSAURS
DIRT

THAT'S IT THAT'S ALL

Johnnie Walker wrote...

From what I've seen, most people that get cantankerous via the net usually say/type things that are direct insults.

It isn't even that — not necessarily. I would offer that personal attacks are reason for anger, but I would also agree that it's the sort of anger that's futile and difficult to sustain and reproduce the longer you are exposed to the Net. For me at least, it would be impossible to be bothered over mere slurs or curses, especially being that offline I've been called every name under the sun in a variety of situations that were legitimately dangerous. This being said, there are about two or so things I can think of that an online person can say that would instantly enrage me, neither of which can be articulated in a small space. And what's interesting about those things is that they can be expressed completely innocuously in that they aren't meant to purposely offend. They could be made out of ignorance, and they are really not as important as the ideology behind them and are somewhat indiscrete. I think the last time I got properly angry at something said online had to be arguing with anti-theists who support imperial forever wars being waged in West Asia to "eradicate Islamic extremism." One of them (mildly) suggested I would change my opinion if I'd just consider "all the harm religion does." I unashamedly admit that this instantly set me off because my home country has a long history of colonialism-based ethnoreligious, sectarian violence, had a civil war that killed three million people, and the last time I lost someone to a religiously-motivated bombing was 2011. They didn't know this, of course, but I just decided to leave because I don't have time for that kind of foolishness.

But anyway, that is a very specific example. The point I'm making is that this is the sort of anger that I'm talking about. It isn't even about letting someone "get" to you; having your humanity regularly attacked (in/directly) online and offline, having the lives of you, your family, and people who look like you, being treated as a talking point to further some wack anti/theological agenda is frustrating as hell. The anger isn't always even directed at the person themselves; it's the result of knowing their wackass opinion is the opinion of the majority, is informed by selfishness or ignorance, and there is literally nothing you can do to prevent that majority from using that opinion to justify and (violently) support X interests. If I feel any malice toward the person who expressed the opinion, it's because they were the vector that (re)exposed me to that sort of stupidity. It's kind of disembodied.

...So I suppose you could argue that I'm just mad 24/7 and get madder when I see very stupid things.

Tl;dr - Some people need to get bodied for being stupid on the Internet. We should start a whoopass delivery service.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 06 avril 2013 - 10:40 .

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

J. Reezy wrote...

Johnnie Walker wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Annoyed: guys, must there be a fight on my opinion forum?

I apologize Myron.

I prefer the word misconstrue rather than fight though. Sounds much more positive.



As far as Jack goes, I previously established my sentiment. I like her demeanor as well as her countenance. Not to mention her superlative choice of vocabulary.

I like your mother's superlative choice of vocabulary.

Didn't I tell you about your mother's and I relationship? I believe did Reezy dear.
Furthermore, you can have my mother if that is what you truly wish. I own all the other mothers that dwell on this festered planet. Keeping the ones that make congenial bacon and eradicating the failures.

And I also keep Jack. I'll wrap her in the bacon that the mothers cook.

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Sibu wrote...

You are a jerkface

YO LET US LIST ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN THIS JOKE

ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN THIS JOKE:

THE WHEEL
DINOSAURS
DIRT

THAT'S IT THAT'S ALL

Johnnie Walker wrote...

From what I've seen, most people that get cantankerous via the net usually say/type things that are direct insults.

It isn't even that — not necessarily. I would offer that personal attacks are reason for anger, but I would also agree that it's the sort of anger that's futile and difficult to sustain and reproduce the longer you are exposed to the Net. For me at least, it would be impossible to be bothered over mere slurs or curses, especially being that offline I've been called every name under the sun in a variety of situations that were legitimately dangerous. This being said, there are about two or so things I can think of that an online person can say that would instantly enrage me, neither of which can be articulated in a small space. And what's interesting about those things is that they can be expressed completely innocuously in that they weren't meant to purposely offend, they could be made out of ignorance, and they are really not as important as the ideology behind the words rather than anything discrete. I think the last time I got properly angry at something said online had to be arguing with anti-theists who support imperial forever wars being waged in West Asia to "eradicate Islamic extremism." One of them (mildly) suggested I would change my opinion if I'd just consider "all the harm religion does." I unashamedly admit that this instantly set me off because my home country has a long history of colonialism-based ethnoreligious violence, had a civil war that killed three million people, and the last time I lost someone to a religiously-motivated bombing was 2011. They didn't know this, of course, but I just decided to leave because I don't have time for that kind of foolishness.

But anyway, this a very specific example. The point is, that is the sort of anger that I'm talking about. It isn't even about letting someone "get" to you; having your humanity regularly attacked (in/directly) online and offline, having the lives of you, your family, and people who look like you, being treated as a talking point to further some wack anti/theological agenda is frustrating as hell. The anger isn't always even directed at the person themselves; it's thof result of knowing their wackass opinion is the opinion of the majority, is informed by selfishness or ignorance, and there is literally nothing you can do to prevent that majority from using that opinion to justify and (violently) support X interests. If I feel any malice toward the person who expressed the opinion, it's because they were the vector that (re)exposed me to that sort of stupidity. It's kind of disembodied.

...So I suppose you could argue that I'm just mad 24/7 and get madder when I see very stupid things.

Tl;dr - Some people need to get bodied for being stupid on the Internet. We should start a whoopass delivery service.

Trust me man, I can relate to that. I use to get angry with people on the internet and more so in real life. I have an inner anger that claws at me.
Something happened a long time ago. Made me unfathomably angry. Via the net of course. After it was over, I just became emotionless when on the internet. As well as emotionless in real life. I do feel emotion, but it does not get in the way of things. Unless that anger comes forth and I break things or practice my martial arts.

And I'm down with that whoopass delivery service. Punching their lights out and watching them hit the pavement is a good source of entertainment.

[TheMyron]

Yo guys! Can you all just drop the exchanging of insults? Especially the "Mom" insults?

Modifié par TheMyron, 06 avril 2013 - 10:09 .

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

J. Reezy wrote...

Johnnie Walker wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Johnnie Walker wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Annoyed: guys, must there be a fight on my opinion forum?

I apologize Myron.

I prefer the word misconstrue rather than fight though. Sounds much more positive.



As far as Jack goes, I previously established my sentiment. I like her demeanor as well as her countenance. Not to mention her superlative choice of vocabulary.

I like your mother's superlative choice of vocabulary.

Didn't I tell you about your mother's and I relationship? I believe did Reezy dear.
Furthermore, you can have my mother if that is what you truly wish. I own all the other mothers that dwell on this festered planet. Keeping the ones that make congenial bacon and eradicating the failures.

And I also keep Jack. I'll wrap her in the bacon that the mothers cook.

It is known that your mother makes the best bacon so I win. Also, Jack is awesome and definitely deserves to be wrapped in bacon.

Don't worry. I have the worlds most finest scotch for her to relish in. Once Jack experiences me, she'll never want to leave.

Just like your mother!

Modifié par Johnnie Walker, 06 avril 2013 - 10:09 .

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

TheMyron wrote...

Yo guys! Can you all just drop the exchanging of insults? Especially the "Mom" insults?

Reezy and I have been friends for a long time. They're just jokes. It's kinda my thing actually. lol. My friends honestly provoke me to say them more often. Mostly on the polls and feed however.

Plus, I'm dong my best to keep this relevant to Jack.

[voteDC]

ThinkSharp wrote...

Jack's is my favorite romance arc in ME2. There's a lot more to it than just hooking up, and I appreciated the depth it added to her character.

Funny, because otherwise she's one of my less favorite characters in that game.

That's my whole and only problem with Jack.

So much of her character development in ME2 is tied to the romance, so if you play through as a female Shepard you miss out and Jack comes across as just an angry little girl.

[What a Succulent Ass]

And I'm down with that whoopass delivery service. Punching their lights out and watching them hit the pavement is a good source of entertainment.

I swore off fighting doe.

Everyone in my family has a terrible temper — like, drag-you-into-the-skreets-and-knock-some molars-out-over-a-look sort of temper. I've always been able to control it and be relatively calm by necessity (only responding to extreme provocation or violence), but I still somehow managed to end up on an ass-beating spree from age eleven all the way until age sixteen when I moved out of my parents' house and decided to become a calm, responsible member of society. J. will have to take my place.

[ONTOPIC]SO IN CONCLUSION, I DON'T LIKE THE JACK ROMANCE BECAUSE IT IS AN UNREALISTIC PORTRAYAL OF AN ABUSE VICTIM, AND EVEN MORE DAMAGING, SUGGESTS THE IDEA THAT ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS CAN "FIX" PEOPLE AND HEAL TRAUMA. I DON'T LIKE MAGICAL DIX, DOGG. LITERALLY THE LAST THING JACK NEEDS IS THE BURDEN OF THE EMOTIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY EXPECTED BY A PARTNER. WHAT SHE NEEDS IS RELIABLE PLATONIC FRIENDSHIPS AND LOADS OF THERAPY, AND THAT SH*T NEVER HAPPENED. THE ENTIRE THING HAS THE UNFORTUNATE UNDERTONES OF GROSSASS MALE RESCUE FANTASY AND PATERNALISM AND IS JUST ALL AROUND PROPER SKEEVY.[/ONTOPIC]

don't ban me bro

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 06 avril 2013 - 10:35 .

[Veganterror]

Even though I have no romance-interest with her, she's still one of the best characters written in ME-history.

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

My father just had a terrible temper. Beat the hell out of my brother (who is four years older than I) and I until I was age 11. Got plenty scars to prove it, mostly on my back and abs. I've always had this inner anger since he vanished. I use to be always showing anger and getting into trouble, but then I figured that there is no point in wasting my life dwelling on it. So I put the anger away until it breaks lose. Then I take care of it.

On topic: I agree and yet disagree at the same time. It is possible to be in a loving relationship and that person be your best friend as well. A while back I was going through some really rought times. So rough that I didn't care whether or not I lived or ceased to exist. I met someone when it was going on. While everyone else in my life fell away from me, that partner stood by my side. We're still together and they're more than just a partner. They're also my best friend. No secrets of any type. They saved my life and put me back on my feet.
I think it depends on different people, but I can see exactly where you are coming from.

Modifié par Johnnie Walker, 06 avril 2013 - 10:40 .

[Veganterror]

Johnnie Walker wrote...

My father just had a terrible temper. Beat the hell out of my brother (who is four years older than I) and I until I was age 11. Got plenty scars to prove it, mostly on my back and abs. I've always had this inner anger since he vanished. I use to be always showing anger and getting into trouble, but then I figured that there is no point in wasting my life dwelling on it. So I put the anger away until it breaks lose. Then I take care of it.

I'm sorry to hear that. But Mitch Albom once wrote: 
“Holding anger is a poison...It eats you from inside. We think that by hating someone we hurt them.
But hatred is a curved blade, and the harm we do to others...we also do to ourselves.” 

[What a Succulent Ass]

On topic: I agree and yet disagree at the same time. It is possible to be in a loving relationship and that person be your best friend as well. A while back I was going through some really rought times. So rough that I didn't care whether or not I lived or ceased to exist. I met someone when it was going on. While everyone else in my life fell away from me, that partner stood by my side. We're still together and they're more than just a partner. They're also my best friend. No secrets of any type. They saved my life and put me back on my feet.
I think it depends on different people, but I can see exactly where you are coming from.

YO, ME TOO.

*childhood abuse club*

I understand that. In fact, I think that is what the writers were attempting, but it failed spectacularly for three reasons:

1. Jack's growth isn't shown on-screen. It's abrupt to the point it's near instantaneous. Even with good friends or a soul-mate, it's very difficult for me to buy that someone who was experimented upon (vivisected, mind you), used as a child soldier, was in and out of prisons her entire life, was gang-raped (multiple times?), and was otherwise abused and exploited, would snap back so quickly and in that manner. Human beings are surprisingly elastic, but like a band, once they are stretched to their limit, they will snap. And even if they don't snap, they will never return to their former dimension. I'm not saying that Jack should have been some sort of broken bird. I wouldn't like that. But the time-frame's off.

2. The Jack/Shepard relationship (like all ME pairings) is vastly unequal. Suffice it to say Shepard's brickishness does nothing to convince the audience of a successful partnership. S/he rarely confides in his/her significant other, and as far as "emotional intimacy" goes, it usually comprises of Shepard standing around dropping one-liners while the other party rambles about the topic of the day. It's especially bad with Jack where the romance initiation is essentially a "how about it."

3. Half her "development" is aborted if Shepard is female (whatever "girls' club" means) or does not
pursue a romantic relationship. A pivotal part of her backstory and the emotional arc that goes with it is completely omitted. When examined this way, it's unfortunately clear that, intentionally or not, the narrative resolution to Jack's trust issues are bound up in Shepard's crotch.

Basically Shepard could have been replaced by a walking penis or that big-ass thumb monster from Spy Kids and gotten the same result.

Edit:

“Holding anger is a poison...It eats you from inside. We think that by hating someone we hurt them. But hatred is a curved blade, and the harm we do to others...we also do to ourselves.”

Nope.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 06 avril 2013 - 02:50 .

[Yestare7]

RogueBot wrote...

If she had fewer tattoos and let her hair grow out, and stopped being so "woe is me", she'd be quite attractive. She did make some improvements in 3, though.

I like her as a buddy.

this

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

Random Jerkface wrote...

On topic: I agree and yet disagree at the same time. It is possible to be in a loving relationship and that person be your best friend as well. A while back I was going through some really rought times. So rough that I didn't care whether or not I lived or ceased to exist. I met someone when it was going on. While everyone else in my life fell away from me, that partner stood by my side. We're still together and they're more than just a partner. They're also my best friend. No secrets of any type. They saved my life and put me back on my feet.
I think it depends on different people, but I can see exactly where you are coming from.

YO, ME TOO.

*childhood abuse club*

I understand that. In fact, I think that is what the writers were attempting, but it failed spectacularly for three reasons:

1. Jack's growth isn't shown on-screen. It's abrupt to the point it's near instantaneous. Even with good friends or a soul-mate, it's very difficult for me to buy that someone who was experimented upon (vivisected, mind you), used as a child soldier, was in and out of prisons her entire life, was gang-raped (multiple time?), and was otherwise abused and exploited, would snap back so quickly and in that manner. Human beings are surprisingly elastic, but like a band, once they are stretched to their limit, they will snap. And even if they don't snap, they will never return to their former dimension. I'm not saying that Jack should have been some sort of broken bird. I wouldn't like that. But the time-frame's off.

2. The Jack/Shepard relationship (like all ME pairings) is vastly unequal. Suffice it to say Shepard's brickishness does nothing to convince the audience of a successful partnership. S/he rarely confides in his/her significant other, and as far as "emotional intimacy" goes, it usually comprises of Shepard standing around dropping one-liners while the other party rambles about the topic of the day. It's especially bad with Jack where the romance initiation is essentially a "how about it."

3. Half her "development" is aborted if Shepard is female (whatever "girls' club" means) or does not
pursue a romantic relationship. A pivotal part of her backstory and the emotional arc that goes with it is completely omitted. When examined this way, it's unfortunately clear that, intentionally or not, the narrative resolution to Jack's trust issues are bound up in Shepard's crotch.

Basically Shepard could have been replaced by a walking penis or that big-ass thumb monster from Spy Kids and gotten the same result.

Edit:

“Holding anger is a poison...It eats you from inside. We think that by hating someone we hurt them. But hatred is a curved blade, and the harm we do to others...we also do to ourselves.”

Nope.

I'd have to agree, I just didn't put that much thought into it since it was only a game. I romanced Gar-Bear though.

*Totes a childhood abuse club.*

I mostly liked her for her character. I love her sarcasm and her artform of words.

“Holding anger is a poison...It eats you from inside. We think that by hating someone we hurt them. But hatred is a curved blade, and the harm we do to others...we also do to ourselves.”

I can see the point in the quote, but everyone has different ways of dealing with hidden inner emotions. It's always there. Constantly festering about within the confines of my mind. When it becomes too powerful I work on my tae kown do and other methods.

Anger isn't always bad. It is possible to harvest good from "bad" influences. I use my anger to fuel determination and confidence. Nothing ever stands in my way when achieving a goal.
Like finishing up my mechanical engineering degree and automotives.
And leaving my country here in a few months.

It's just my way and my anger is in way better control than it was years ago.
I hone my mind and increase my acumen everyday. I am the ever seeker of knowledge. My anger helps me be the most I will ever be.

Modifié par Johnnie Walker, 06 avril 2013 - 11:35 .

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

Anyways.
It's almost 7am and time for me to get off work. Go home and crash.
Good chatting with you all.

I take my leave.

[Wynterdust]

To me, as a character she is interesting but is a definite no as a romance. Not a fan as it seems more like you are just a councilor to her and helping her through her problems. That to me is more a friendly relationship.

[Felya87]

Jack was the reason I created a maleshep. She was refreshing from a point of view. She don't trust and don't care. the feeling is, shep must earn her trust.
and I found her the best match for the paragade maleshep I created.
the sensation was that she sees more the man, than the hero or the soldier. and...well...I just go for exclusion.
usually Ash made boooom in my games, and I'm against too popular character. so no Liara. Tali was a little as going with the little sister, I feel sick just looking my maleshep. And I still can't really stand Miranda.
Jack was perfect for my less-than-perfect Shepard.

[CDR David Shepard]

Jack...even though she has the best looking face in the game (in my opinion)...just didn't fit well with the story in my opinion...as far as romance goes.

I think Shepard and Miranda fits the story so much better.

[o Ventus]

Kuro.Ookami wrote...

Miranda still had admiration for Shepard before even meeting him, she was just keeping her Ice Queen persona. Listen at the beginning and around 13:45, she sounds a bit in awe by Shepard.

Literally one of the first things she says to you is "I respect your abilities, it's your motivations that concern me". I don't know if you're aware, but it's entirely possible to respect someone's skill at a particular field while still not having a high opinion if them personally. I think Ken Levine is a decent writer, but he's a bit too full of himself for me to really like him.

I also feel that she is possesive of Shepard considering the whole Lazarus Project although that might be too many FanFictions influencing my judgement.

The bolded part.

People whine that Jacob's romance scene is like a cheap porno yet I don't see how Miranda's is much better.

Your strawman is showing. Either way, why is this even a reason?