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[spirosz]

i hate Jack.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Johnnie Walker wrote....

I mostly liked her for her character. I love her sarcasm and her artform of words.

Yo, yes. I think I mostly like her because of the irreverent-ass voice Courtenay Taylor gave her.

I'd have to agree, I just didn't put that much thought into it since it was only a game.

It didn't even bother me until I actually sat down to watch it all the way through. After that I was like, "Sis...." And I have this unfortunate thing where I post only half-way seriously for the most part, then end up vomitspitting all over the forum about things I don't even care about that much. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thinks this, though. You do know that this means you and I—

I romanced Gar-Bear though.

NOPE, WE BEEFIN.

[mumba]

spirosz wrote...

i hate Jack Black.

Don't we all? 

[MegaSovereign]

spirosz wrote...

i hate Jack.

Me too, let's be friends.

[spirosz]

How can anyone like that one demensional-balded headed-pyscho. Her tats look like they were done by a scared little child and her outfit was bought from Gap Kids.

Modifié par spirosz, 06 avril 2013 - 04:33 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Random Jerkface wrote...

...So I suppose you could argue that I'm just mad 24/7 and get madder when I see very stupid things.

You know that's not good for you, right? It's like jamming your finger down on the "fight or flight response" button.

Anyway, about Jack and miracle cures. I think that it's a legitimate criticism, since she's experienced things that were very difficult and traumatic, for a long time, and not just during her childhood. (She's basically been bouncing around between cults and gangs all her life, and she's got that one story about losing her boyfriend on a heist...) Shepard can't just pack all that away by providing a shoulder to cry on.

It's not quite as abrupt a transition as it might seem, though. She does open up emotionally to Shepard if he keeps coming around, the latent hostility is something of a front. (Of course, that brings up issues of consent, since she basically tells him to leave every time he shows up, but he sticks around and they ultimately wind up having sex.)

I think that the thing that really bugs me most about Jack's storyline is that after this experience, she goes off on her own and becomes troop mom for a bunch of spunky biotic kids. THAT is a little much, a little fast.

[David7204]

I think Jack's development is outstanding, and I don't see it as one bit of a 'miracle cure.'

The idea that Jack must be emotionally crippled and must take years to 'heal' or whatever seems to stem off from the idea that Jack's life has been nothing but one miserable, worthless, meaningless experience after another. And that simply isn't true. The fact that Jack is reasonably intelligent and speaks eloquently, (although not formally) is plenty of evidence. And it's really just a very shallow perspective of psychological trauma. Thre have been kids in real life found locked up in basements or whatever their entire lives, and they sure as hell acted nothing like Jack.

You know what the real trauma was? It wasn't the experimentation or the torture. It wasn't the rapes or the criminality. It was the dissapointment. That's what 'broke' her, so to speak. That's she what speaks about with the most disdain.

There's no reason to believe Jack didn't have somewhat satisfying and meaningful relationships and experiences during her life. Quite the contrary, in fact, given her story about her friend Murtagh. You notice that story is that one she tells Shepard last? The most secret?

And I hate to play this card, but here it is. Most people have a really, really poor idea of where and how true psychological health comes from. Including professionals. 'Healing' does not come from sitting on a couch and talking to a shrink for months on end. It doesn't. What I tend to think is really going is just sedation.

Modifié par David7204, 06 avril 2013 - 05:39 .

[SlottsMachine]

Random Jerkface wrote...

The Jack and Tali romances are so beyond f*cked up in concept and execution that it's not even funny.

I'm actually kind of curious as to what your thoughts are on the Tali romance. Previously I think the best assassination of the romance I've come across compared it to an old timey romance novel, where the female is usually meek and submissive.  

[Sibu]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Sibu wrote...

You are a jerkface

YO LET US LIST ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN THIS JOKE

ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN THIS JOKE:

THE WHEEL
DINOSAURS
DIRT

THAT'S IT THAT'S ALL
.

You forgot the fire, rocks and your mom

[Subject M]

TheMyron wrote...

How is that so few guys like Jack as a LI?
Sure, I know, she is covered in tats, but she still has the prettiest face, and after Maleshep breaks down her mental/emotional barrier, you can't help but see her as one of the most loveable characters in the Trilogy.
 I see her lovable character as capable of rivaling Tali.

Yeah, I always thought she was really attractive, save for that horrible attitude she wears as a shield. Hair, tattoos or scars has never been much of an issue to me, sure I do like hair if its pretty, and I do think she looks better with some hair on her head, but she always looked good, considering how she dressed.

I too had a playthrough where she was the LI, and I liked it a lot. But it is good that she manges to heal without Shepards romantic interest if surviving until ME3 and the incident at Grissom academy. What could have been done better was that she is one of those characters that in one way needs to be saved by Shepard (+team) Wouldn't it have been awsome if Grissom academy would have made it without Shepard rushing to the rescue if Jack was alive?

Her citadel DLC romance arc is fantastic.

[DirtySHISN0]

I used to hate Jack back during my first play of ME2 and adore Tali. Then I played it some more.

The roles reversed the more I played and by the time I had finished ME3 perspective with regards to each of these characters had swapped completely.

[nos_astra]

General Slotts wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

The Jack and Tali romances are so beyond f*cked up in concept and execution that it's not even funny.

I'm actually kind of curious as to what your thoughts are on the Tali romance. Previously I think the best assassination of the romance I've come across compared it to an old timey romance novel, where the female is usually meek and submissive.

My guesses:
A tendency to play damsel in distress.
Her status in the quarian society smells like a reward for association with Shepard and(or being a political tool.
Constantly dragging her into missions that seem to be above her paygrade.
Oh and there the bit where ****ing her could kill her but she insists because Shepard is just so special and manly. (And aren't we happy that Shepard's magical bodily fluids make her immune system stronger.)

Modifié par klarabella, 06 avril 2013 - 08:05 .

[David7204]

That is really stupid. There's nothing wrong with Shepard and Tali having sex. Nor are any of the missions 'above her paygrade.' I don't know where that's coming from.

Modifié par David7204, 06 avril 2013 - 08:08 .

[nos_astra]

David7204 wrote...
That is really stupid. There's nothing wrong with Shepard and Tali having sex.

There's a notable chance it could kill her. That's a pretty big issue.

Nor are any of the missions 'above her paygrade.' I don't know where that's coming from.

This is entirely unsurprising considering that you seem to have the critical distance of a child and no grasp of basic literary rules.

A hint because the obvious seems so easily lost on you: Tali is introduced as the equivalent of a quarian teenager in ME1. You see her fail on her mission in ME2 and you see her helpless and lost in political machinations in ME2. And in ME3 she's once again used by others and expendable. I noticed a distinct lack of competence every time she's on her own.

Modifié par klarabella, 06 avril 2013 - 08:22 .

[David7204]

There's risk in a great number of things. Like being on a suicide mission, for instance? Mordin, the expert biologist, encourages it between Shepard and Tali.

That, again, is completely stupid. You could say the same for every single character on every single loyalty mission. They need Shepard's help. You could say the same for every questgiver in any RPG, period! And the idea that Tali is incompetent because she her mission without south is not only beyond moronic, but completely insulting to people who actually do such things in real life. Things go bad. It happens. Being unable to take on a few hundred geth doesn't make you incompetent.

[Megaton_Hope]

It's not just her immune system, either, the games make a big deal out of "reversed chirality" between humans/Asari and Turians/Quarians. If she can't eat our food, she also can't come into contact with bacteria from Shepard's bodily fluids:



That's a bad deal, I would say.

[David7204]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I never thought the whole "quarians having sex is super-dangerous and life-threatening" idea made any sense.

Because, if it was true, how the hell is their species supposed to reproduce? Are quarian babies gifted by the magical space stork?

Do I really need to point out how easy it would be to have a child without sex in the year 2185?

In any case, it's made pretty clear that they have clean rooms and probably a lot of other technology on their ships to make it as safe as possible.

[Megaton_Hope]

Also, people who become very close among the Quarians expose themselves without the suits, mingling their populations of microorganisms after the manner of species who do not have suits. Tali explains all that.

Doubtless, a Quarian couple on the path to parenthood will have reached that stage. So while they've already taken a risk, it's a risk that doesn't become magnified by coitus.

About Jack's appearance...I don't mind the shaved head. (I actually like short hair on women. I think that Natalie Portman looks better since V for Vendetta, for example.) And none of these characters are flat-chested, although Jack may be a B cup compared to Miranda's probable C. Appearance-wise the only thing that bothers me particularly much with Jack is the tattoos (I don't hate tattoos, but it's possible to go too far) and her taste in lipstick.

[David7204]

Yeah, Jack's hot in ME 3. I'd put her above Miranda. Tough call between her and Ashley, though.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

GlassElephant wrote...

Jack does have the most beautiful face in the series. I agree on that.

Dat Keira Knightley face.

[spirosz]

Sophia Loren face.