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[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

spirosz wrote...

Sophia Loren face.

NO U. Keira Knightley.

[Wulfram]

Liara tends to get there first, personally.

I don't think Jack is at all to my taste anyway, in looks or attitude. And I tend to see my Shepard as seeing her as more someone to be looked after and maybe "fixed", than someone to fall in love with. Almost parental in outlook - which I bet Jack finds exceedingly annoying.

[spirosz]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Sophia Loren face.

NO U. Keira Knightley.

[Reikilea]

I agree she is the most beautiful girl in ME2, but personally that´s all there is. Too bad they did not work on her character more.

Otherwise she is just cliched character of a girl with bad bad past, who the went berserk for revenge and did bad bad things. And good old commander has to fix her past in order to date her. I thought that was too much. But I can see why people like her. It just doesnt work on me.

Personally I dont even see point of having her on the ship (i know biotics) but not sure my Shepard would want to have unstable criminal on her/his ship. And can´t even wear armour to combat.

Edit: Hey nice suggestion wiht Sophia Loren´s face. I thought Brigitte Bardot can work too.

Modifié par Reikilea, 06 avril 2013 - 10:05 .

[CDR David Shepard]

Reikilea wrote...

I agree she is the most beautiful girl in ME2, but personally that´s all there is. Too bad they did not work on her character more.

Otherwise she is just cliched character of a girl with bad bad past, who the went berserk for revenge and did bad bad things. And good old commander has to fix her past in order to date her. I thought that was too much. But I can see why people like her. It just doesnt work on me.

Personally I dont even see point of having her on the ship (i know biotics) but not sure my Shepard would want to have unstable criminal on her/his ship. And can´t even wear armour to combat.

Yeah, I never liked that.

Miranda at least made some sense. She was a highly trained operative...with genetic augmentation. Her sleek outfit worked.

I don't know if I would ever take Jack on missions anyways...but not having anything to put on sealed it. At least I was able to make her wear some kind of top for the final mission.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 06 avril 2013 - 10:07 .

[Reikilea]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

I agree she is the most beautiful girl in ME2, but personally that´s all there is. Too bad they did not work on her character more.

Otherwise she is just cliched character of a girl with bad bad past, who the went berserk for revenge and did bad bad things. And good old commander has to fix her past in order to date her. I thought that was too much. But I can see why people like her. It just doesnt work on me.

Personally I dont even see point of having her on the ship (i know biotics) but not sure my Shepard would want to have unstable criminal on her/his ship. And can´t even wear armour to combat.

I don't really agree on her character.

Let me tell you from exerience, it's very real. As I said, I identify with her.

Dont worry I also have experience. Even Shepard can have the experience. I don´t have problem with her past. I only have the problem with the way it was represented.

But that´s the problem of ME2, nearly every character is too much. Writer´s had to really push the boundaries and basically hyperbolised every character creation. So because, I don´t like schemes and for me her character felt as one.

Or it may really be because I can´t identify with her.  I rarely identify with people who prefer to be driven by emotions instead of rational thinking. That may explain why I love Mordin and Legion most.

Modifié par Reikilea, 06 avril 2013 - 10:16 .

[Han Shot First]

As far as squaddies go I think Jack and Liara have the best looking faces in the series.

[Sibu]

Reikilea wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

I agree she is the most beautiful girl in ME2, but personally that´s all there is. Too bad they did not work on her character more.

Otherwise she is just cliched character of a girl with bad bad past, who the went berserk for revenge and did bad bad things. And good old commander has to fix her past in order to date her. I thought that was too much. But I can see why people like her. It just doesnt work on me.

Personally I dont even see point of having her on the ship (i know biotics) but not sure my Shepard would want to have unstable criminal on her/his ship. And can´t even wear armour to combat.

I don't really agree on her character.

Let me tell you from exerience, it's very real. As I said, I identify with her.

Dont worry I also have experience. Even Shepard can have the experience. I don´t have problem with her past. I only have the problem with the way it was represented.

But that´s the problem of ME2, nearly every character is too much. Writer´s had to really push the boundaries and basically hyperbolised every character creation. So because, I don´t like schemes and for me her character felt as one.

Or it may really be because I can´t identify with her.  I rarely identify with people who prefer to be driven by emotions instead of rational thinking. That may explain why I love Mordin and Legion most.

Oh i seen worst than Jack

[_- Songlian -]

voteDC wrote...

That's my whole and only problem with Jack.

So much of her character development in ME2 is tied to the romance, so if you play through as a female Shepard you miss out and Jack comes across as just an angry little girl.

Amen! 

For a female Shepard, she is insufferable. Just when you thought you were beginning to form a friendship, she cuts you off with, more or less, "Look, I'm not interested in having sex with you." 

Excuse me? What has that got to do with what we were talking about? 

And that's that.

Modifié par - Songlian -, 06 avril 2013 - 10:41 .

[Diurdi]

Probably the best written squadmate in the whole damn series. Pretty much all content is pure gold.

Garrus arguably has more great moments, but then again he has triple the content of Jack. Most moments with Grunt are great too, but not a LI.

[Zaxares]

I'll admit that I never really liked her in ME2. Although I had nothing but sympathy for her background and what she went through, she was still an aggressive, rude and callous b*tch. She cared about nothing except her own desires and goals, and was with Shepard only because she really didn't have anywhere else to go. Everything about her told me that this was a broken, broken person, and no amount of therapy was ever going to fix her.

Then along came ME3, and while I do find her transformation a bit sudden, it felt believable. I'm happy to admit that I was wrong about Jack, and while she's still not my love interest (Tali forever! ), I'm now proud to call her my friend.

[Kuro.Ookami]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

I agree she is the most beautiful girl in ME2, but personally that´s all there is. Too bad they did not work on her character more.

Otherwise she is just cliched character of a girl with bad bad past, who the went berserk for revenge and did bad bad things. And good old commander has to fix her past in order to date her. I thought that was too much. But I can see why people like her. It just doesnt work on me.

Personally I dont even see point of having her on the ship (i know biotics) but not sure my Shepard would want to have unstable criminal on her/his ship. And can´t even wear armour to combat.

Yeah, I never liked that.

Miranda at least made some sense. She was a highly trained operative...with genetic augmentation. Her sleek outfit worked.

I don't know if I would ever take Jack on missions anyways...but not having anything to put on sealed it. At least I was able to make her wear some kind of top for the final mission.

She uses her Biotics for protection just like Miranda, Liara and Samara does.

- Songlian - wrote...

Amen! 

For a female Shepard, she is insufferable. Just when you thought you were beginning to form a friendship, she cuts you off with, more or less, "Look, I'm not interested in having sex with you." 

Excuse me? What has that got to do with what we were talking about? 

And that's that.

Her whole history of interaction with others has been exactly the same. Meet someone, they get close, use her for sex/biotics/both, ditch her. Rinse and repeat. Why would she not expect the same thing to happen to her after so many times? She hasn't found one person who wanted to get close to her as a friend until FemShep came along. She assumes the same from MaleShep as well.

[Shaleist]

spirosz wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Sophia Loren face.

NO U. Keira Knightley.

Winnah.

[voteDC]

Kuro.Ookami wrote...


Her whole history of interaction with others has been exactly the same. Meet someone, they get close, use her for sex/biotics/both, ditch her. Rinse and repeat. Why would she not expect the same thing to happen to her after so many times? She hasn't found one person who wanted to get close to her as a friend until FemShep came along. She assumes the same from MaleShep as well.

The difference is that male Shepard can continue with her personal story arc, the romance allows you to see underneath Jack's exterior to the person underneath.

Female Shepard doesn't get that option, Jack's story just comes to a sudden halt.

[What a Succulent Ass]

David7204 wrote...

Lol.

Yeah, I'm going to need you to not try to "educate" me about the effects of trauma and abuse.

klarabella wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

The Jack and Tali romances are so beyond f*cked up in concept and execution that it's not even funny.

I'm actually kind of curious as to what your thoughts are on the Tali romance. Previously I think the best assassination of the romance I've come across compared it to an old timey romance novel, where the female is usually meek and submissive.

My guesses:
A tendency to play damsel in distress.
Her status in the quarian society smells like a reward for association with Shepard and(or being a political tool.
Constantly dragging her into missions that seem to be above her paygrade.
Oh and there the bit where ****ing her could kill her but she insists because Shepard is just so special and manly. (And aren't we happy that Shepard's magical bodily fluids make her immune system stronger.)

Essentially this. There are a million other problems (and unfortunate implications) tangentially related to these, but that about covers the core things I take issue with. Much of my disgust comes from the very specific manner in which Tali's arc is tailored to play on tired ideas about male virility and bodies as objects of conquest. These are not things that I think were put there (completely) intentionally, but they are there nonetheless, and worth discussing...especially the virginal flower/Madonna construction. But that's a whole other thread.

And I'm not tryna make people mad at me.

spirosz wrote...

They're similar, but I don't think that's who they used. The way the devs spoke about Jack's face model strongly implied that they scanned a person, not some reference photo.

Megaton_Hope wrote...

You know that's not good for you, right? It's like jamming your finger down on the "fight or flight response" button.

Now, sis. It's okay. You know you are not paying my medical bills. Besides, if this were true, I would be in prison right now. They would have to put me up for execution.

[TheMyron]

spirosz wrote...

i hate Jack.

Why use her for your avatar then?

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Johnnie Walker wrote....

I mostly liked her for her character. I love her sarcasm and her artform of words.

Yo, yes. I think I mostly like her because of the irreverent-ass voice Courtenay Taylor gave her.

I'd have to agree, I just didn't put that much thought into it since it was only a game.

It didn't even bother me until I actually sat down to watch it all the way through. After that I was like, "Sis...." And I have this unfortunate thing where I post only half-way seriously for the most part, then end up vomitspitting all over the forum about things I don't even care about that much. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thinks this, though. You do know that this means you and I—

I romanced Gar-Bear though.

NOPE, WE BEEFIN.

Modifié par Johnnie Walker, 07 avril 2013 - 04:37 .

[Auld Wulf]

Jack is really hurt by the life of torment she's had, but I found her really tolerable and likeable, especially after helping her with that mental torment so that she can really begin to lead her life. And she wasn't obnoxiously distrustful, paranoid, or xenophobic either. I honestly felt that Tali distrusted me more in ME2 than Jack did (with Tali even suspecting that I didn't care enough to help her, so she was ready to book passage on another ship).

In some ways, Jack is lady Garrus to me. Very similar kind of personality. So she's high up on my list of characters. Plus, unlike Miranda, she actually does have a reason to feel tormented. A childhood of abuse can screw you up, whereas all Miranda had claim to was how "perfect" she was (I dislike it when people toot their own horn about being perfect).

So... yeah. I liked Jack. I understood her. I can't say that I understand Miranda. Jack, along with Kasumi, are probably my two favourite ladies from Mass Effect.

[sravenblood]

Because she is a mass murdering, cold, egotistical, sociopathic **** maybe?

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

spirosz wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Sophia Loren face.

NO U. Keira Knightley.

As I said, NO U.

[spirosz]

So you're mad at TRUTH.

[Kuro.Ookami]

voteDC wrote...

Kuro.Ookami wrote...


Her whole history of interaction with others has been exactly the same. Meet someone, they get close, use her for sex/biotics/both, ditch her. Rinse and repeat. Why would she not expect the same thing to happen to her after so many times? She hasn't found one person who wanted to get close to her as a friend until FemShep came along. She assumes the same from MaleShep as well.

The difference is that male Shepard can continue with her personal story arc, the romance allows you to see underneath Jack's exterior to the person underneath.

Female Shepard doesn't get that option, Jack's story just comes to a sudden halt.

I was more referring to how people were surprised that Jack mentionned sex in her conversation with FemShep. I've never played nor seen how Jack's conversation unfolds with a Female Shepard.